happy_tiger
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@willow said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1497832) said:
He could be the difference .....but they'd want to get some cricket into him quick smart .....
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He could be the difference .....but they'd want to get some cricket into him quick smart .....
GNR4LIFE
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@willow said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1497832) said:
Doubt it. Think the Aussie bowlers will be the difference. England’s batting looks pretty brittle. No established openers. Burns is alright, but unproven in Australia. Stokes is a big in, because outside of Root, I didn’t know where else their runs were coming from. Of course, outside of Smith and Labuschagne, the Aussies bat like garbage to, but the Aussie bowlers have the wood over the Poms bowlers. They don’t really have a spinner. I can’t see Leach doing anything more than tying up one end.
tig_prmz
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There is no one in the cricket world I hate more than Ben Stokes... I've never heard an interview of his or seen him speak or read up on him and he's a seriously good player. He just has that vibe about him..
GNR4LIFE
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@tig_prmz said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1498064) said:
What vibe is that?
Chicken_Faced_Killa
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@tig_prmz said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1498064) said:
He seems like a decent guy. Even willing to punch on to defend people if he has to. Comes across really down to earth.
happy_tiger
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De Kock is in strife
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/news/south-africa-star-de-kock-pulls-out-of-t20-world-cup-match-after-team-told-to-take-a-knee-for-racism/ar-AAPYkLc?ocid=ASUDHP&li=AAgfLCP
https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/news/south-africa-star-de-kock-pulls-out-of-t20-world-cup-match-after-team-told-to-take-a-knee-for-racism/ar-AAPYkLc?ocid=ASUDHP&li=AAgfLCP
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Tiger5150
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@happy_tiger said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1498264) said:
That is disgraceful that he has been forced out for that. SA Cricket will fall apart from here.
Pascoes_barber
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Happy to hear Stokes is coming.
No idea what De Kock was thinking.
No idea what De Kock was thinking.
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Tiger5150
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@pascoes_barber said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1498541) said:
Maybe he was thinking that he didnt like to have empty tokenistic virtue signalling imposed on him to support a corrupt organisation (NOT movement, the movement is not corrupt)
Pascoes_barber
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CSA or the ICC?
Shows a great disrespect to his opposition IMNSHO. Shame as he's a brilliant cricketer.
Shows a great disrespect to his opposition IMNSHO. Shame as he's a brilliant cricketer.
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Tiger5150
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@pascoes_barber said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1498562) said:
The corrupt organisation? BLM (the organisation, not the movement). I support the idea that black lives matter (and no I dont bother with the ALL lives matter) and can see the current day impact of historical racism on black people and support ending racism. The organisation BLM is a corrupt Marxist organisation and personally i would not like to be mandated to make a tokenistic virtue signalling gesture to support them.
The CSA have never mandated taking the knee until 30mins before this game and then it is a mandatory directive from above. More power to De Kock for standing up for his principles. Of course he will be painted as a racist now.
Pascoes_barber
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What about supporting the dozens of PoC participating in the world cup, including a number of his team mates who've had to deal with racism their entire lives?
I mean, if it walks like a duck and all that... Always rated him highly as a player, hopefully it's ignorance rather than actual racism.
I mean, if it walks like a duck and all that... Always rated him highly as a player, hopefully it's ignorance rather than actual racism.
@tiger5150 said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1498566) said:
Him not taking the knee implies he feels very strongly against something. Otherwise, why go through all the fuss of being ejected from the squad for such a simple thing? Could he not have just faked it? Do you not think there are other sportsmen out there that have pretended to avoid all the drama that seems to arise everytime someone stands whilst others are kneeling. So for these individuals that do stand as opposed to kneel, what is it they are so strong against, the movement or the organisation? One answer implies they are strong racists, the other not so much, if at all.
And in this case, no I really don't think Quinton is racist based off what I've seen from him in the past.
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Tiger5150
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@sparci said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1498578) said:
You have kind of made my point in your post.
He hasnt addressed it specifically but a SA journalist is reporting that De Kock has previously told him that he objects to the tokenistic virtue signalling aspect of the knee. Additionally he is "forced" to do it by CSA which created the rule less than an hour before the game. I think there is plenty there to be against.
What is the point of a token gesture if you are forced to do it?
You have also hit the nail on the head when you say that not kneeling "implies racism" but you go on to say you dont think he is racist.
Forcing people to kneel is horribly authoritarian and a more dangerous problem. This guy will now have his career destroyed for not complying with authoritarian demands for virtue signalling.
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Tiger5150
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@pascoes_barber said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1498576) said:
Exactly.......what if he supported black causes in his home country to support them? What if he raised money for them? What if he did something else to support PoC?
The issue with this taking a knee is it has been mandated by authority (at the last minute) which beside being a dangerous precedent, instantly devalues the gesture of every other player taking a knee. It is now a totally weak worthless piece of virtue signalling when the SA cricket team takes a knee. Authoritarian control.
Pascoes_barber
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@tiger5150 said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1498592) said:
I tend to think he would've already been 'taking a knee' in solidarity if he was committed to the cause rather than standing there.
He could've done so and still railed publicly (or privately) about CSA's decision and 'authoritarian control'.
I'll try and give him the benefit of the doubt: Hopefully there's some massive part of the story missing.
Either that or he is incredibly lacking in perspective and education; a wealthy white South African cricketer complaining about his 'freedom' over this - and destabilising his own team just hours before an ICC fixture was due to start.
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Tiger5150
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@pascoes_barber said in [Cricket Season Thread](/post/1498661) said:
What would have been the problem with CSA leaving it as it was and letting everyone do what they thought right? Then De Kock could do what he felt right as could all of them and they could all be judged based on that. As it is now, the gesture is totally meaningless from an individual point of view because the world knows they are being made to do it.
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Tiger5150
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Serious question, have the Aussies been taking a knee before each game?
Pascoes_barber
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I believe they have been for some time, yes.
EDIT: The above is anecdotal based on what I saw of their tour in the West Indies in the middle of the year.
I've been missing the start of almost all of the World Cup fixtures but I would be surprised if they aren't also doing it there too (and their first game was against RSA...)
EDIT: The above is anecdotal based on what I saw of their tour in the West Indies in the middle of the year.
I've been missing the start of almost all of the World Cup fixtures but I would be surprised if they aren't also doing it there too (and their first game was against RSA...)
