David Nofoaluma #164

@pawsandclaws1 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275817) said:
@sleeve said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275790) said:
Perception,blah, blah, would not enter the minds of the recruitment staff at WT. Its about value for money and balance.Get the right side and the noise goes away.

Luciano Leilua, Adam Doueihi and Shawn Blore are good example of good recruitment and the calibre of recruit we should be targeting. There is room for significant improvement in all three. Blore's cameo against Brown provided positive exposure to the WTs and the opportunities available at the club for young players. Nofoaluma goes, hey there is another opportunity for a brash youngster similar to Blore.

The club expects Blore to have a breakout season next year.
 
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275821) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275817) said:
@sleeve said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275790) said:
Perception,blah, blah, would not enter the minds of the recruitment staff at WT. Its about value for money and balance.Get the right side and the noise goes away.

Luciano Leilua, Adam Doueihi and Shawn Blore are good example of good recruitment and the calibre of recruit we should be targeting. There is room for significant improvement in all three. Blore's cameo against Brown provided positive exposure to the WTs and the opportunities available at the club for young players. Nofoaluma goes, hey there is another opportunity for a brash youngster similar to Blore.

The club expects Blore to have a breakout season next year.

No pressure kid ? will be interesting to see if they start him straight away or use him off the bench to start with. Keen to see how he goes when he’s properly fit and getting a serious run at second row
 
I respect the difference of opinions,

If we can keep Nofo for a fair $$ Amount for both partied then I think we should.
 
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275824) said:
I respect the difference of opinions,

If we can keep Nofo for a fair $$ Amount for both partied then I think we should.

I think everyone, including the club agrees with that.
 
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275778) said:
I dont know the exect numbers, we cant be ridiculous anymore.

My oppinion is based on branding.


It’s ok to look good but more important to be good. I know I’m straying from present day thinking, but just my humble opinion.
I think far too much emphasis is placed on the perception of others. WT need to do what is right, while treating players with dignity and respect.
When Nofa’s contract was up for renewal in 2017 it sat there for months while he and his agent tried to find another club to push up the price. Looks like it’s happening again?
For the first time in years, I feel confident that WT are making the effort to place the level of importance on the cap which it deserves.
I feel confident that WT didn’t lowball.
This time I would be disappointed in the WT administration if they allow another club to help us manage our cap distribution.
 
@Geo said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275776) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275775) said:
@PabloX said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275774) said:
@MarySt said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275403) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275388) said:
@400 to 450K - Give him what he is asking.

Nofo Is a wholehearted Tiger

This is realistic especially compared to the rubbish players that have earnt more at this club and others in recent History.

Its such a no brainer to me

Are you sure he's not asking for more?

No mate Im not,

The Tigers are percieved to be a less desirable destination than any other club in the NRL at present. .

More thann anything else I want us to be a tough club on and off the field {melb like} but this sigmals how we treat the cream of our crop.

Realistically he is good winger. He is our.best and most recognised player now.

This descission is more than 100k

We cant allow nofo to be in another teams jersey.

We can at 600K +

I like Nofo a lot but the club needs to act as a professional business. If another club wants to pay those sort of dollars I wish Nofo the best playing for them.

$400k is a really good salary for a winger. He is a good winger. I like the guy a lot. We should try and keep him. Anything above 400k should be calmly thought through in the context of the teams requirements.
 
@mike said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275782) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275778) said:
I dont know the exect numbers, we cant be ridiculous anymore.

My oppinion is based on branding.

That type of branding will be forgotten once on field success is achieved. On field success is the only thing we should be concentrating on in this regard.

We also need success build over a number of years. It's not good stuffing up your cap to win a couple more games next season but then be in trouble for the next 3 years.
 
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275804) said:
@tigeress said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275797) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275775) said:
@PabloX said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275774) said:
@MarySt said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275403) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275388) said:
@400 to 450K - Give him what he is asking.

Nofo Is a wholehearted Tiger

This is realistic especially compared to the rubbish players that have earnt more at this club and others in recent History.

Its such a no brainer to me

Are you sure he's not asking for more?

No mate Im not,

The Tigers are percieved to be a less desirable destination than any other club in the NRL at present. .

More thann anything else I want us to be a tough club on and off the field {melb like} but this sigmals how we treat the cream of our crop.

Realistically he is good winger. He is our.best and most recognised player now.

This descission is more than 100k

We cant allow nofo to be in another teams jersey.

But if the best of our troops keep leaving how are we ever to become that club that (they) or any player would want to come to- so to that end Noffa says he loves the club and I'm sure he does , well can't he stick with the club he loves to help us achieve the goal that any NRL player wishes to achieve-FINALS FOOTY:frowning:

The aim of good salary cap management is to be paying as many players below their market value as possible.

This is exactly how you need to manage the cap. I view Aloiai leaving the club in this light as well. I really rate Aloiai but as soon as he wants overs you have to think that is hurting the club he is going too.
 
@Earl said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275829) said:
@Geo said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275776) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275775) said:
@PabloX said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275774) said:
@MarySt said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275403) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275388) said:
@400 to 450K - Give him what he is asking.

Nofo Is a wholehearted Tiger

This is realistic especially compared to the rubbish players that have earnt more at this club and others in recent History.

Its such a no brainer to me

Are you sure he's not asking for more?

No mate Im not,

The Tigers are percieved to be a less desirable destination than any other club in the NRL at present. .

More thann anything else I want us to be a tough club on and off the field {melb like} but this sigmals how we treat the cream of our crop.

Realistically he is good winger. He is our.best and most recognised player now.

This descission is more than 100k

We cant allow nofo to be in another teams jersey.

We can at 600K +

I like Nofo a lot but the club needs to act as a professional business. If another club wants to pay those sort of dollars I wish Nofo the best playing for them.

$400k is a really good salary for a winger. He is a good winger. I like the guy a lot. We should try and keep him. Anything above 400k should be calmly thought through in the context of the teams requirements.

I think they could add a little more for Nofo's services and it doesn't have anything to do with one single solid year IMO. Every club has a 'face' or a 'representative'. For years we have had Benji Marshall, face of the Tigers and to some extent the NRL, and I have no doubt part of the value in his contract was for that reason. Attend more promo's than everyone, be the media 'go-to', get your face on the pamphlets, face on the tickets, big on social media etc etc etc.

I think Nofo is in that same space now. I'm actually happy to pay his $450K (if that's the number) and give you an extra $50K for the extra work and expectation.

From the outside, people then say "He ain't worth $500K!" and I agree, but his is worth $430 (as a player) plus an extra 70K for his additional exposure, services etc etc. All completely legal in salary cap land. Every club does it. It just means he will now be fully involved as a professional footballer AND providing those sometimes intangible marketing benefits. You have to hang aroudn the extra hour at the golf day, you have to share yourself around the supporter group more at fun days, you have to be ready for the media shoots, you have to do all the extras.
 
@Swordy said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275815) said:
@Tigercrb said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275811) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275803) said:
@TigerSJ said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275757) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275666) said:
@TigerSJ said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275652) said:
I am confident that we will retain Noffa especially considering we have the veteran allowance to play with. As for Brooks’ satisfying the allowance, the way I read it he has to have played 8 years of NRL as well as being a junior at the club.

That is not correct

The Veteran Allowance as was given in an earlier post is as follows:

$0.2 million – Veteran and Developed Player Allowance for eligible players who were either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game.

My interpretation is that in order to receive the $200k for a player who has been developed by the club, the player has to have been in your top 30 for 8 years, or 10 yrs across the game. If this is not correct then the alternate is that a club gets $200k for every player developed by the club prior to playing NRL???
How do you read it?

The developed by the club is seperate to the veteran player. If you the section below from what you posted above it says either and or which means they are independent of each other.

"either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game"

The $200k is actually the total the club can claim no matter how many players qualify. So Nofa doesn't have $200k of his contract wiped from the salary cap and we don't lose it if he leaves as it can be claimed on other players.

Sounds about right.

I think I heard earlier in the year that with Lawrence moving on, his allowance would go towards Brooks and Noffa moving forward.

I think this allowance is why Lawrence was given the extra 1 year contract when it looked like he was not going to be offered a contract.
He was essentially exempt from our cap last year.

Whilst I think this allowance is very low, this Noffa situation is perfect for its use.

Essentially if we split it between he and Brooks, we should be able to match a 550-600k max offer and only cost 450-500k of the cap.

I might be wrong, but I remember somewhere that the veteran player allowance essenetially just comes off the general cap, not a specific players contract/price. Means the same in the end I guess, but I don't think you can say it was used to pay Lawrence, and now we can offer Nofo $250K on top of our offer of 450K to keep him. Doesn't work like that.

Happy to be corrected....

Which ever way it works, as a reward to clubs that develop players and to encourage player loyalty, I think the allowance should be more like 5 - 10% of the cap instead of just over the current 2%.
 
@hank37w said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275841) said:
@Swordy said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275815) said:
@Tigercrb said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275811) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275803) said:
@TigerSJ said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275757) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275666) said:
@TigerSJ said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275652) said:
I am confident that we will retain Noffa especially considering we have the veteran allowance to play with. As for Brooks’ satisfying the allowance, the way I read it he has to have played 8 years of NRL as well as being a junior at the club.

That is not correct

The Veteran Allowance as was given in an earlier post is as follows:

$0.2 million – Veteran and Developed Player Allowance for eligible players who were either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game.

My interpretation is that in order to receive the $200k for a player who has been developed by the club, the player has to have been in your top 30 for 8 years, or 10 yrs across the game. If this is not correct then the alternate is that a club gets $200k for every player developed by the club prior to playing NRL???
How do you read it?

The developed by the club is seperate to the veteran player. If you the section below from what you posted above it says either and or which means they are independent of each other.

"either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game"

The $200k is actually the total the club can claim no matter how many players qualify. So Nofa doesn't have $200k of his contract wiped from the salary cap and we don't lose it if he leaves as it can be claimed on other players.

Sounds about right.

I think I heard earlier in the year that with Lawrence moving on, his allowance would go towards Brooks and Noffa moving forward.

I think this allowance is why Lawrence was given the extra 1 year contract when it looked like he was not going to be offered a contract.
He was essentially exempt from our cap last year.

Whilst I think this allowance is very low, this Noffa situation is perfect for its use.

Essentially if we split it between he and Brooks, we should be able to match a 550-600k max offer and only cost 450-500k of the cap.

I might be wrong, but I remember somewhere that the veteran player allowance essenetially just comes off the general cap, not a specific players contract/price. Means the same in the end I guess, but I don't think you can say it was used to pay Lawrence, and now we can offer Nofo $250K on top of our offer of 450K to keep him. Doesn't work like that.

Happy to be corrected....

Which ever way it works, as a reward to clubs that develop players and to encourage player loyalty, I think the allowance should be more like 5 - 10% of the cap instead of just over the current 2%.

How much is the cap? $9m?, then 10% is $900k, that is a lot of cash.
 
@Swordy said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275839) said:
@Earl said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275829) said:
@Geo said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275776) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275775) said:
@PabloX said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275774) said:
@MarySt said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275403) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275388) said:
@400 to 450K - Give him what he is asking.

Nofo Is a wholehearted Tiger

This is realistic especially compared to the rubbish players that have earnt more at this club and others in recent History.

Its such a no brainer to me

Are you sure he's not asking for more?

No mate Im not,

The Tigers are percieved to be a less desirable destination than any other club in the NRL at present. .

More thann anything else I want us to be a tough club on and off the field {melb like} but this sigmals how we treat the cream of our crop.

Realistically he is good winger. He is our.best and most recognised player now.

This descission is more than 100k

We cant allow nofo to be in another teams jersey.

We can at 600K +

I like Nofo a lot but the club needs to act as a professional business. If another club wants to pay those sort of dollars I wish Nofo the best playing for them.

$400k is a really good salary for a winger. He is a good winger. I like the guy a lot. We should try and keep him. Anything above 400k should be calmly thought through in the context of the teams requirements.

I think they could add a little more for Nofo's services and it doesn't have anything to do with one single solid year IMO. Every club has a 'face' or a 'representative'. For years we have had Benji Marshall, face of the Tigers and to some extent the NRL, and I have no doubt part of the value in his contract was for that reason. Attend more promo's than everyone, be the media 'go-to', get your face on the pamphlets, face on the tickets, big on social media etc etc etc.

I think Nofo is in that same space now. I'm actually happy to pay his $450K (if that's the number) and give you an extra $50K for the extra work and expectation.

From the outside, people then say "He ain't worth $500K!" and I agree, but his is worth $430 (as a player) plus an extra 70K for his additional exposure, services etc etc. All completely legal in salary cap land. Every club does it. It just means he will now be fully involved as a professional footballer AND providing those sometimes intangible marketing benefits. You have to hang aroudn the extra hour at the golf day, you have to share yourself around the supporter group more at fun days, you have to be ready for the media shoots, you have to do all the extras.

yep, i think he's worth more to us than another club
 
@TigerWest said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275842) said:
@hank37w said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275841) said:
@Swordy said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275815) said:
@Tigercrb said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275811) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275803) said:
@TigerSJ said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275757) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275666) said:
@TigerSJ said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275652) said:
I am confident that we will retain Noffa especially considering we have the veteran allowance to play with. As for Brooks’ satisfying the allowance, the way I read it he has to have played 8 years of NRL as well as being a junior at the club.

That is not correct

The Veteran Allowance as was given in an earlier post is as follows:

$0.2 million – Veteran and Developed Player Allowance for eligible players who were either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game.

My interpretation is that in order to receive the $200k for a player who has been developed by the club, the player has to have been in your top 30 for 8 years, or 10 yrs across the game. If this is not correct then the alternate is that a club gets $200k for every player developed by the club prior to playing NRL???
How do you read it?

The developed by the club is seperate to the veteran player. If you the section below from what you posted above it says either and or which means they are independent of each other.

"either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game"

The $200k is actually the total the club can claim no matter how many players qualify. So Nofa doesn't have $200k of his contract wiped from the salary cap and we don't lose it if he leaves as it can be claimed on other players.

Sounds about right.

I think I heard earlier in the year that with Lawrence moving on, his allowance would go towards Brooks and Noffa moving forward.

I think this allowance is why Lawrence was given the extra 1 year contract when it looked like he was not going to be offered a contract.
He was essentially exempt from our cap last year.

Whilst I think this allowance is very low, this Noffa situation is perfect for its use.

Essentially if we split it between he and Brooks, we should be able to match a 550-600k max offer and only cost 450-500k of the cap.

I might be wrong, but I remember somewhere that the veteran player allowance essenetially just comes off the general cap, not a specific players contract/price. Means the same in the end I guess, but I don't think you can say it was used to pay Lawrence, and now we can offer Nofo $250K on top of our offer of 450K to keep him. Doesn't work like that.

Happy to be corrected....

Which ever way it works, as a reward to clubs that develop players and to encourage player loyalty, I think the allowance should be more like 5 - 10% of the cap instead of just over the current 2%.

How much is the cap? $9m?, then 10% is $900k, that is a lot of cash.


I think somewhere around 450 - 900k would be a fair reward for the clubs that develop juniors and want to encourage player loyalty.
 
@Swordy said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275839) said:
@Earl said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275829) said:
@Geo said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275776) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275775) said:
@PabloX said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275774) said:
@MarySt said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275403) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275388) said:
@400 to 450K - Give him what he is asking.

Nofo Is a wholehearted Tiger

This is realistic especially compared to the rubbish players that have earnt more at this club and others in recent History.

Its such a no brainer to me

Are you sure he's not asking for more?

No mate Im not,

The Tigers are percieved to be a less desirable destination than any other club in the NRL at present. .

More thann anything else I want us to be a tough club on and off the field {melb like} but this sigmals how we treat the cream of our crop.

Realistically he is good winger. He is our.best and most recognised player now.

This descission is more than 100k

We cant allow nofo to be in another teams jersey.

We can at 600K +

I like Nofo a lot but the club needs to act as a professional business. If another club wants to pay those sort of dollars I wish Nofo the best playing for them.

$400k is a really good salary for a winger. He is a good winger. I like the guy a lot. We should try and keep him. Anything above 400k should be calmly thought through in the context of the teams requirements.

I think they could add a little more for Nofo's services and it doesn't have anything to do with one single solid year IMO. Every club has a 'face' or a 'representative'. For years we have had Benji Marshall, face of the Tigers and to some extent the NRL, and I have no doubt part of the value in his contract was for that reason. Attend more promo's than everyone, be the media 'go-to', get your face on the pamphlets, face on the tickets, big on social media etc etc etc.

I think Nofo is in that same space now. I'm actually happy to pay his $450K (if that's the number) and give you an extra $50K for the extra work and expectation.

From the outside, people then say "He ain't worth $500K!" and I agree, but his is worth $430 (as a player) plus an extra 70K for his additional exposure, services etc etc. All completely legal in salary cap land. Every club does it. It just means he will now be fully involved as a professional footballer AND providing those sometimes intangible marketing benefits. You have to hang aroudn the extra hour at the golf day, you have to share yourself around the supporter group more at fun days, you have to be ready for the media shoots, you have to do all the extras.

I keep coming back to Brett Morris. He's been a very good footballer for a long time. He played SOO and was a Kangaroo. Even in his twilight years he's a great winger. I'd be surprised if he us on similar $ to Nofoaluma. He's the benchmark for me and Nofoaluma is below him.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275849) said:
@Swordy said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275839) said:
@Earl said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275829) said:
@Geo said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275776) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275775) said:
@PabloX said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275774) said:
@MarySt said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275403) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275388) said:
@400 to 450K - Give him what he is asking.

Nofo Is a wholehearted Tiger

This is realistic especially compared to the rubbish players that have earnt more at this club and others in recent History.

Its such a no brainer to me

Are you sure he's not asking for more?

No mate Im not,

The Tigers are percieved to be a less desirable destination than any other club in the NRL at present. .

More thann anything else I want us to be a tough club on and off the field {melb like} but this sigmals how we treat the cream of our crop.

Realistically he is good winger. He is our.best and most recognised player now.

This descission is more than 100k

We cant allow nofo to be in another teams jersey.

We can at 600K +

I like Nofo a lot but the club needs to act as a professional business. If another club wants to pay those sort of dollars I wish Nofo the best playing for them.

$400k is a really good salary for a winger. He is a good winger. I like the guy a lot. We should try and keep him. Anything above 400k should be calmly thought through in the context of the teams requirements.

I think they could add a little more for Nofo's services and it doesn't have anything to do with one single solid year IMO. Every club has a 'face' or a 'representative'. For years we have had Benji Marshall, face of the Tigers and to some extent the NRL, and I have no doubt part of the value in his contract was for that reason. Attend more promo's than everyone, be the media 'go-to', get your face on the pamphlets, face on the tickets, big on social media etc etc etc.

I think Nofo is in that same space now. I'm actually happy to pay his $450K (if that's the number) and give you an extra $50K for the extra work and expectation.

From the outside, people then say "He ain't worth $500K!" and I agree, but his is worth $430 (as a player) plus an extra 70K for his additional exposure, services etc etc. All completely legal in salary cap land. Every club does it. It just means he will now be fully involved as a professional footballer AND providing those sometimes intangible marketing benefits. You have to hang aroudn the extra hour at the golf day, you have to share yourself around the supporter group more at fun days, you have to be ready for the media shoots, you have to do all the extras.

I keep coming back to Brett Morris. He's been a very good footballer for a long time. He played SOO and was a Kangaroo. Even in his twilight years he's a great winger. I'd be surprised if he us on similar $ to Nofoaluma. He's the benchmark for me and Nofoaluma is below him.

I agree, but there are other forces at play there. Im sure I heard on somewhere that the Morris' are only on 325K. I generally take these numbers with a grain of salt and whilst I agree on your assessment of Brett Morris, Nofo is worth more to WT than BM is worth to the Roosters.
 
@hank37w said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275841) said:
@Swordy said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275815) said:
@Tigercrb said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275811) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275803) said:
@TigerSJ said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275757) said:
@cochise said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275666) said:
@TigerSJ said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275652) said:
I am confident that we will retain Noffa especially considering we have the veteran allowance to play with. As for Brooks’ satisfying the allowance, the way I read it he has to have played 8 years of NRL as well as being a junior at the club.

That is not correct

The Veteran Allowance as was given in an earlier post is as follows:

$0.2 million – Veteran and Developed Player Allowance for eligible players who were either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game.

My interpretation is that in order to receive the $200k for a player who has been developed by the club, the player has to have been in your top 30 for 8 years, or 10 yrs across the game. If this is not correct then the alternate is that a club gets $200k for every player developed by the club prior to playing NRL???
How do you read it?

The developed by the club is seperate to the veteran player. If you the section below from what you posted above it says either and or which means they are independent of each other.

"either developed by the Club prior to becoming NRL players and / or have been a Top 30 player for at least 8 years at the Club or have been a Top 30 player for at least 10 years across the game"

The $200k is actually the total the club can claim no matter how many players qualify. So Nofa doesn't have $200k of his contract wiped from the salary cap and we don't lose it if he leaves as it can be claimed on other players.

Sounds about right.

I think I heard earlier in the year that with Lawrence moving on, his allowance would go towards Brooks and Noffa moving forward.

I think this allowance is why Lawrence was given the extra 1 year contract when it looked like he was not going to be offered a contract.
He was essentially exempt from our cap last year.

Whilst I think this allowance is very low, this Noffa situation is perfect for its use.

Essentially if we split it between he and Brooks, we should be able to match a 550-600k max offer and only cost 450-500k of the cap.

I might be wrong, but I remember somewhere that the veteran player allowance essenetially just comes off the general cap, not a specific players contract/price. Means the same in the end I guess, but I don't think you can say it was used to pay Lawrence, and now we can offer Nofo $250K on top of our offer of 450K to keep him. Doesn't work like that.

Happy to be corrected....

Which ever way it works, as a reward to clubs that develop players and to encourage player loyalty, I think the allowance should be more like 5 - 10% of the cap instead of just over the current 2%.

Agreed
 
Personally i'd believe if Noffa left the Tigers, he would be a nobody.

When I say this, I personally believe if he went to another club he wouldn't be as recognised as he is now in the Tigers colours.

I have friends and work colleagues that know i'm a passionate Wests Tigers supporter, and the first thing they say whenever I see them is something relating to Noffa.

either way, max I would give him is 500K... he can go ruin himself somewhere else if he doesn't want to stay.
 
@Swordy said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275850) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275849) said:
@Swordy said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275839) said:
@Earl said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275829) said:
@Geo said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275776) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275775) said:
@PabloX said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275774) said:
@MarySt said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275403) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275388) said:
@400 to 450K - Give him what he is asking.

Nofo Is a wholehearted Tiger

This is realistic especially compared to the rubbish players that have earnt more at this club and others in recent History.

Its such a no brainer to me

Are you sure he's not asking for more?

No mate Im not,

The Tigers are percieved to be a less desirable destination than any other club in the NRL at present. .

More thann anything else I want us to be a tough club on and off the field {melb like} but this sigmals how we treat the cream of our crop.

Realistically he is good winger. He is our.best and most recognised player now.

This descission is more than 100k

We cant allow nofo to be in another teams jersey.

We can at 600K +

I like Nofo a lot but the club needs to act as a professional business. If another club wants to pay those sort of dollars I wish Nofo the best playing for them.

$400k is a really good salary for a winger. He is a good winger. I like the guy a lot. We should try and keep him. Anything above 400k should be calmly thought through in the context of the teams requirements.

I think they could add a little more for Nofo's services and it doesn't have anything to do with one single solid year IMO. Every club has a 'face' or a 'representative'. For years we have had Benji Marshall, face of the Tigers and to some extent the NRL, and I have no doubt part of the value in his contract was for that reason. Attend more promo's than everyone, be the media 'go-to', get your face on the pamphlets, face on the tickets, big on social media etc etc etc.

I think Nofo is in that same space now. I'm actually happy to pay his $450K (if that's the number) and give you an extra $50K for the extra work and expectation.

From the outside, people then say "He ain't worth $500K!" and I agree, but his is worth $430 (as a player) plus an extra 70K for his additional exposure, services etc etc. All completely legal in salary cap land. Every club does it. It just means he will now be fully involved as a professional footballer AND providing those sometimes intangible marketing benefits. You have to hang aroudn the extra hour at the golf day, you have to share yourself around the supporter group more at fun days, you have to be ready for the media shoots, you have to do all the extras.

I keep coming back to Brett Morris. He's been a very good footballer for a long time. He played SOO and was a Kangaroo. Even in his twilight years he's a great winger. I'd be surprised if he us on similar $ to Nofoaluma. He's the benchmark for me and Nofoaluma is below him.

I agree, but there are other forces at play there. Im sure I heard on somewhere that the Morris' are only on 325K. I generally take these numbers with a grain of salt and whilst I agree on your assessment of Brett Morris, Nofo is worth more to WT than BM is worth to the Roosters.

How so?
 
@Geo said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275784) said:
@PabloX said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275777) said:
@Geo said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275776) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275775) said:
@PabloX said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275774) said:
@MarySt said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275403) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275388) said:
@400 to 450K - Give him what he is asking.

Nofo Is a wholehearted Tiger

This is realistic especially compared to the rubbish players that have earnt more at this club and others in recent History.

Its such a no brainer to me

Are you sure he's not asking for more?

No mate Im not,

The Tigers are percieved to be a less desirable destination than any other club in the NRL at present. .

More thann anything else I want us to be a tough club on and off the field {melb like} but this sigmals how we treat the cream of our crop.

Realistically he is good winger. He is our.best and most recognised player now.

This descission is more than 100k

We cant allow nofo to be in another teams jersey.

We can at 600K +

We can at $450k

Disagree.... that figure would be base..if that is what another Club is offering ..that should be at least matched..

Nofoaluma is not in the elite class his is the tier just below..the analitics fron 2020 puts him in the top 10..

JAC was paid less than $400k/yr the last few seasons. He is elite.

This is the salary cap model we are trying subscribe to...a successful one
 
@Swordy said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275850) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275849) said:
@Swordy said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275839) said:
@Earl said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275829) said:
@Geo said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275776) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275775) said:
@PabloX said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275774) said:
@MarySt said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275403) said:
@Spartan117 said in [David Nofoaluma](/post/1275388) said:
@400 to 450K - Give him what he is asking.

Nofo Is a wholehearted Tiger

This is realistic especially compared to the rubbish players that have earnt more at this club and others in recent History.

Its such a no brainer to me

Are you sure he's not asking for more?

No mate Im not,

The Tigers are percieved to be a less desirable destination than any other club in the NRL at present. .

More thann anything else I want us to be a tough club on and off the field {melb like} but this sigmals how we treat the cream of our crop.

Realistically he is good winger. He is our.best and most recognised player now.

This descission is more than 100k

We cant allow nofo to be in another teams jersey.

We can at 600K +

I like Nofo a lot but the club needs to act as a professional business. If another club wants to pay those sort of dollars I wish Nofo the best playing for them.

$400k is a really good salary for a winger. He is a good winger. I like the guy a lot. We should try and keep him. Anything above 400k should be calmly thought through in the context of the teams requirements.

I think they could add a little more for Nofo's services and it doesn't have anything to do with one single solid year IMO. Every club has a 'face' or a 'representative'. For years we have had Benji Marshall, face of the Tigers and to some extent the NRL, and I have no doubt part of the value in his contract was for that reason. Attend more promo's than everyone, be the media 'go-to', get your face on the pamphlets, face on the tickets, big on social media etc etc etc.

I think Nofo is in that same space now. I'm actually happy to pay his $450K (if that's the number) and give you an extra $50K for the extra work and expectation.

From the outside, people then say "He ain't worth $500K!" and I agree, but his is worth $430 (as a player) plus an extra 70K for his additional exposure, services etc etc. All completely legal in salary cap land. Every club does it. It just means he will now be fully involved as a professional footballer AND providing those sometimes intangible marketing benefits. You have to hang aroudn the extra hour at the golf day, you have to share yourself around the supporter group more at fun days, you have to be ready for the media shoots, you have to do all the extras.

I keep coming back to Brett Morris. He's been a very good footballer for a long time. He played SOO and was a Kangaroo. Even in his twilight years he's a great winger. I'd be surprised if he us on similar $ to Nofoaluma. He's the benchmark for me and Nofoaluma is below him.

I agree, but there are other forces at play there. Im sure I heard on somewhere that the Morris' are only on 325K. I generally take these numbers with a grain of salt and whilst I agree on your assessment of Brett Morris, Nofo is worth more to WT than BM is worth to the Roosters.

And Morris is 34, Nofa is 27, at 27 Morris was earning a motza
 
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