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Wests Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe says the club will be imposing a deadline on its "big four" stars to re-sign with the club, declaring "we won't be held to ransom by anyone".

The Tigers have sacked coach Jason Taylor just three weeks into the season, the latest drama following the Tim Simona scandal and the controversial departure of fan favourite Robbie Farah last year.

The Tigers' big four won't re-sign until they know who the 2018 coach will be, but the board's in no rush to find Jason Taylor's successor.
Taylor's sacking will have implications on the futures of the club's four best players, the off-contract quartet of Mitchell Moses, James Tedesco, Luke Brooks and Aaron Woods. Those players are likely to wait for the appointment of a new head coach before deciding whether to remain at Concord or continue their careers elsewhere.

In a wide-ranging interview, Pascoe revealed the formulation of a "plan B" should the quartet depart, the reasons for punting Taylor so early in the season and why the club wouldn't have changed its decision to release Farah from his contract a year early.

The Tigers tabled contract extensions for Brooks, Tedesco, Moses and Woods before the start of the season. But uncertainty over Taylor's tenure has been one of the reasons they remain unsigned.

Taylor has now been sacked and his replacement could be in place within a fortnight, giving all parties clarity on the issue. Yet if the Tigers' young stars continue to deliberate, the club will play hard ball and withdraw the offers while there are alternative options still on the open market.

"It's always club first," Pascoe said. "We're mindful of the time frame, as any club would be. We have to make sure we come to an agreement with their management at some stage sooner rather than later that we're either all here or not. We haven't discussed a time frame or timeline with their management at this stage. But it's recognised that we will have to put some time frames around it.

"We want to be the best sporting organisation in Australia." Wests Tigers boss Justin Pascoe.

"It's our responsibility to have a plan B, it's as simple as that. And we've got plan Bs in place."

Pascoe stressed the preference was to ensure the big four remained Tigers for life.

"Internally, we don't reference them as the 'big four' – they are four players of a top 25," he said.

"I couldn't be more complimentary of each of those four players. They are terrific young men, they are highly talented and we value them and would obviously love them to stay at this club. We're doing everything in our power to make sure that happens."

Pascoe said the new coach would have input on the future of the quartet, should they not re-sign before his arrival.

"The coach needs to have an involvement in the retention and recruitment of players," he said. "It won't change in this instance either."

AGENT PROVOCATEUR

There have been concerns that player manager Isaac Moses wields too much influence at Wests Tigers. Moses manages the four young stars, interim coach Andrew Webster and a prospective head coach in Cowboys assistant Todd Payten. Moses is also close friends with Joe Wehbe, a mentor to the quartet who was sounded out about a permanent position on the Tigers staff.

Pascoe said no individual would be allowed to have undue influence over the club.

"I and the board won't allow this club to be held to ransom by anyone," Pascoe said.

"We are a strong club and our job is to build a winning culture for our supporters and players and to create that environment.

"We won't be held to ransom by anyone. From our perspective, we are having positive discussions with their management.

"The appointment of the coach is a decision we made as a club. If the players and management want to wait until a coach is appointed, that's their decision."

FARAH GONE … AND NOW SO IS TAYLOR

The Tigers back Taylor's decision to squeeze Farah out of the club … and then sacked Taylor just three games into the new season.

The Tigers – who are still paying $750,000 of Farah's wage to play at South Sydney – are now on the lookout for a new coach, with Ivan Cleary the favourite to take over. Pascoe defended the timing of Taylor's sacking.

"Firstly, it's not that we made a decision on three games – it's two-and-a-half years into a three-year contract," Pascoe said.

"This club has always been about making hard decisions to really ensure we have an environment where our supporters look forward to us playing finals football.

"The timing is never going to be perfect in these decision-making processes, but we wanted to give Jason full support over the off-season heading into this season. This season, as he was always aware, was performance based. We as an organisation believed there hadn't been improvement from last year.

"We will not let another season slide away or drift away again. The fact is, we have lost four of our last six games by over 30 points, so improvement was needed. We believed we weren't seeing that so we made a decision. It was a hard decision that will put this club into a better chance of playing finals football."

Asked if, in hindsight, Farah should have been retained, Pascoe said: "No. The Robbie Farah one and Jason Taylor one are totally separate issues.

"The decision to move Robbie on was a decision made last year, it's a list management decision. The decision to move Jason Taylor on was a performance decision based on where the team is."

BEST SPORTING ORGANISATION IN AUSTRALIA

The Tigers have made the finals just three times in 16 years, have churned through their third coach in five years and are still reeling from the Farah and Simona scandals. However, Pascoe is bullish about the club's aim of becoming the No.1 sporting franchise in Australian sport.

"Our intention is to play finals football this year, that's why we continue to make the hard decisions," he said. "Our intention is to play finals football every single year. This is a really unified board and we have a clear vision around making sure this becomes the best sporting organisation in Australia.

"We're not going to deviate from that vision. We've improved commercially over the past two years, we have record membership levels and our apparel value is the highest it's ever been.

"We continue to enrich the lives of many with the community work we do. We're not shying away from the fact we want to be the best sporting organisation in Australia."

NO BASKET CASE

The Tigers board, chair Marina Go and Pascoe himself have come under fire for Taylor's sacking and their handling of player contract negotiations.

"People who aren't within the organisation will have opinions on the decisions we're making," Pascoe said.

"We as an organisation are very confident we're making the right decisions. As a board, I can tell you in working closely with them, that it is operating in unity and only have one thing in mind and that's the best interests of the Wests Tigers.

"You need a level of resilience in this job and we are very comfortable that what we're doing internally is the right thing. We're not going to deviate from that vision."
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The Tigers' big four won't re-sign until they know who the 2018 coach will be, but the board's in no rush to find Jason Taylor's successor.
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Taylor has now been sacked and his replacement could be in place within a fortnight, giving all parties clarity on the issue.
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"The appointment of the coach is a decision we made as a club. If the players and management want to wait until a coach is appointed, that's their decision."

Wait a second…..........I just.. 😱pen_mouth:
 
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The Tigers' big four won't re-sign until they know who the 2018 coach will be, but the board's in no rush to find Jason Taylor's successor.
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Taylor has now been sacked and his replacement could be in place within a fortnight, giving all parties clarity on the issue.
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"The appointment of the coach is a decision we made as a club. If the players and management want to wait until a coach is appointed, that's their decision."

Wait a second…..........I just.. 😱pen_mouth:

The 3rd one is the one that got my attention, a lot of contradictions in there.
 
So the players are waiting to find out who the new coach is? I hope it isn't as black and white as that.. They may have been misinterpreted at some point. But if not, they should want to play for the CLUB, not have a cry because the coach isn't their best buddy.. That is holding the club to ransom - manipulating the situation to have everything fit the way they like. I really do hope that's not the reason some/all of those players haven't yet re-signed.

This is where I think Woods' comments have really muddied the water..
 
When you finally move on Pascoe a gig in politics is waiting for you. Best sporting organisation in Australia good one yeah like I want to be Australia richest person…. stop talking crap and lead our club
 
So RF's departure was a roster thing and JT's is a performance thing.

I thought Robbies was a performance thing and JTs was a roster thing.
 
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The Tigers' big four won't re-sign until they know who the 2018 coach will be, but the board's in no rush to find Jason Taylor's successor.
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Taylor has now been sacked and his replacement could be in place within a fortnight, giving all parties clarity on the issue.
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"The appointment of the coach is a decision we made as a club. If the players and management want to wait until a coach is appointed, that's their decision."

Wait a second…..........I just.. 😱pen_mouth:

The 3rd one is the one that got my attention, a lot of contradictions in there.

I'm with you guys , 3rd comment is just plain bewildering

Like picking up a schizophrenic hitchhiker
 
I'm a bit each way on this. I think it's fair enough that the players wait to see who the club appoints as coach, but at the same time I can empathise with Pascoe's frustrations as we've had deals on the table for them since well before Christmas. How long do these guys need? The club is right in not wanting this to drag on for half a season. Since they've sacked Taylor, I think it's only fair that they appoint a replacement ASAP, then once he's in place, then give them an ultimatum. Once we appoint Cleary (presumably) it's full steam ahead. We can't afford to be bogged down for much longer with these guys. If we drag it out till halfway through the season and they leave, it might be slim pickings on the player market. We need to handle it the way we handled it with JT. Which is if they aren't going to be here next year, the earlier we know, the better so we can make alternative arrangements. We just have to cut our losses and move on. As I said though, only enforce this ultimatum when you announce a coach. Enforcing it now when these guys don't know whose going to coach would make you look like idiots.
 
I agree 100% with every decision that had been made by Justin Pascoe since he has been here right down to the timings and I mean that. I applaud him. He is doing a great job, he acts strongly and timely and I am unsurprised that they feel good internally.

Putting a respected club leader in place is the best decision possible. Taylor is not the guy. They gave him 3 rounds. 2 of which were against bogey times. He had THE best chance to demonstrate improvement. They got thumped again.

Once in place we will see what kind of roster our new leader can build with a clean cap. I expect some excellent signings.
 
I agree with having a deadline on all players i remember when Brasher left the club(Balmain) because he wouldnt sign by the deadline trying to squeeze more money.He actually tried to sign 2 hours after the deadline expired when he realised he was getting nothing extra and was told it was too late.
This approach is the most positive sign yet the club is going the right way, no player is more important than the club.I agree that the deadline should be set only after the coach is announced probably about a week later.
Since those terrible events in canberra last week the club is finally stirring and taking positive steps
 
The gist of what Pascoe is saying is that he refuses to let these 4 players ransom the club. Paying these players millions above there worth would mean that there is much less left to pay for future contracts on new and some current players. Wests Tigers have been following the path of signing players on overinflated money and very lengthy contracts for far too long. Just two examples are the contracts of Lawrence and Farah. Injury and/or loss of form means the club is stuck with paying wasted money associated with such contracts with wide ranging future financial ramifications to the club and its future existence. If the four players managers insist on squeezing the club into another long term financial disaster then let's cut ties and have a genuine clean out of the club, The club has to put a deadline to the players on this because every day the impasse lingers on opportunities for Wests tigers to sign new players are very quickly going out the window.
 
I'd get in there and offer Teddy a couple of hundred grand more to get him to sign straight away, this would weaken the big 4's bargaining power.
United we are strong once one brick falls the wall falls down.
Then sign Mitch and Woods, Brooks can pick up the crumbs.
 
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So RF's departure was a roster thing and JT's is a performance thing.

I thought Robbies was a performance thing and JTs was a roster thing.

So with Farah for management it was a money issue but for Taylor Farah was a performance issue? Or did RF upset the female boss?
 
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This club wants to be the best sporting organisation in Australia, it wouldn't be the best in Ashfield/Concord/Campbelltown/Leichhardt

Not point having any ambition then i suppose?
 
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I agree with having a deadline on all players i remember when Brasher left the club(Balmain) because he wouldnt sign by the deadline trying to squeeze more money.He actually tried to sign 2 hours after the deadline expired when he realised he was getting nothing extra and was told it was too late.
This approach is the most positive sign yet the club is going the right way, no player is more important than the club.I agree that the deadline should be set only after the coach is announced probably about a week later.
Since those terrible events in canberra last week the club is finally stirring and taking positive steps

I agree.
I just wish we could be a bit more proactive in future, waiting for the **** to hit the fan to make important decisions isn't good
 
No point giving them a deadline without any timeframes on appointing a new coach. They would all have to put clauses in the contracts stating that if either the player or coach want to go a 'different direction' that they can break contract. And we are back in negototiations. Coach needs to be decided on asap or this will dragggggggg
 
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