Deadline

[tiga4eva]

I think he's a good CEO. For whatever reason, Taylor wasn't working. I think he's protecting the players by underplaying their involvement in Taylor's demise

 

[Telltails]

The gist of what Pascoe is saying is that he refuses to let these 4 players ransom the club. Paying these players millions above there worth would mean that there is much less left to pay for future contracts on new and some current players. Wests Tigers have been following the path of signing players on overinflated money and very lengthy contracts for far too long. Just two examples are the contracts of Lawrence and Farah. Injury and/or loss of form means the club is stuck with paying wasted money associated with such contracts with wide ranging future financial ramifications to the club and its future existence. If the four players managers insist on squeezing the club into another long term financial disaster then let's cut ties and have a genuine clean out of the club, The club has to put a deadline to the players on this because every day the impasse lingers on opportunities for Wests tigers to sign new players are very quickly going out the window.

I honestly dont think we are the only club that signs players with inflated contracts. The signing of all players comes with an element of risk and all clubs have been victim to that. The difference with our club is we have a history of depending on the players to take pay cuts after they sign or backend their contracts to help the club manage their salary cap and financial woes. Other financial clubs would write a bad deal off as simply that.
It seems plenty of players have done this club favours over the years when it comes to their contracts and how they are paid. The club apparently is now in a better position to manage their finances or so they say, but given our very recent history I dont think the onus can be placed on players for any of the financial woes we have experienced and nor should they.

 

[Fletch]

A coach has to be involved in the shaping of the clubs roster for next season and beyond. A clubs roster is one the most important ingredients in obtaining success. The Tigers have a history of mismanaging the roster and player contracts (in regards to length and dollars), and therefor it would be largely irresponsible of the club to be actively retaining, recruiting and releasing players without a coach appointed. As it stands with so much of the roster off-contract I don't think the club has the luxury of a 3 month recruitment process for a coach. It needs to be sorted within 3 weeks, not 3 months. All the top shelf off-contract players on the market are starting to sign and the Tigers are danger of losing some of it's own because of the current situation, in 3 months the only potential recruits left in the market will be discards, fringe and NSW Cup players. I still like to think we have the nucleus of a team that could push for a title within the next 4 years, and so the shaping of the roster around that nucleus over the next year or two is paramount.

 

[Masterton]

The Tigers' big four won't re-sign until they know who the 2018 coach will be, but the board's in no rush to find Jason Taylor's successor.
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Taylor has now been sacked and his replacement could be in place within a fortnight, giving all parties clarity on the issue.
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"The appointment of the coach is a decision we made as a club. If the players and management want to wait until a coach is appointed, that's their decision."

Wait a second…..........I just.. 😱pen_mouth:

The 3rd one is the one that got my attention, a lot of contradictions in there.

I think he's tying to make it publicly known that the players can't hold the club to ransom…. while making sure not to upset the player who are holding the club to ransom.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

This club wants to be the best sporting organisation in Australia, it wouldn't be the best in Ashfield/Concord/Campbelltown/Leichhardt

Not point having any ambition then i suppose?

Ambition and Wests Tigers don't mix I'm afraid at present

They get bashed from pillar to post when they do nothing to improve themselves, are just happy to be also fans and just to be there to make up the numbers. So we finally get a CEO who comes along and says "screw that" and try's to fix it and people still complain.

 

[tigerap]

I bet their plan B for the halves is

6- JLJ
7-RANKIN

 

[GNR4LIFE]

A coach has to be involved in the shaping of the clubs roster for next season and beyond. A clubs roster is one the most important ingredients in obtaining success. The Tigers have a history of mismanaging the roster and player contracts (in regards to length and dollars), and therefor it would be largely irresponsible of the club to be actively retaining, recruiting and releasing players without a coach appointed. As it stands with so much of the roster off-contract I don't think the club has the luxury of a 3 month recruitment process for a coach. It needs to be sorted within 3 weeks, not 3 months. All the top shelf off-contract players on the market are starting to sign and the Tigers are danger of losing some of it's own because of the current situation, in 3 months the only potential recruits left in the market will be discards, fringe and NSW Cup players. I still like to think we have the nucleus of a team that could push for a title within the next 4 years, and so the shaping of the roster around that nucleus over the next year or two is paramount.

That's a couple of posts now where you have been 100% bang on. You need to post more often.

 

[TrueTiger]

A coach has to be involved in the shaping of the clubs roster for next season and beyond. A clubs roster is one the most important ingredients in obtaining success. The Tigers have a history of mismanaging the roster and player contracts (in regards to length and dollars), and therefor it would be largely irresponsible of the club to be actively retaining, recruiting and releasing players without a coach appointed. As it stands with so much of the roster off-contract I don't think the club has the luxury of a 3 month recruitment process for a coach. It needs to be sorted within 3 weeks, not 3 months. All the top shelf off-contract players on the market are starting to sign and the Tigers are danger of losing some of it's own because of the current situation, in 3 months the only potential recruits left in the market will be discards, fringe and NSW Cup players. I still like to think we have the nucleus of a team that could push for a title within the next 4 years, and so the shaping of the roster around that nucleus over the next year or two is paramount.

That's a couple of posts now where you have been 100% bang on. You need to post more often.

Don't encourage him GNR,some on here wouldn't be able to cope with a sensible and well written post…

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Most people don't like change no matter how it's handled.

Pascoe has handled this fine.

Let's see how the next pieces of the puzzel unfold over the next 3mths.

Anyone who thinks this will all get sorted quickly is delusional.

The way I see it going is as follows

* Coach Signed & in charge effective immediately
* Few weeks for coach to establish his teams needs
* 4-8 players signed for extensions by 6-8 week mark
* 2-4 players announced from other clubs at the 6-12 week mark.
* Win/Loss we will be on edge of 8 with 8 rounds to play

The risk without a coach is aquasitions, retention is a risk but aquasitions to use plan B has no chance to unfold if we don't have a coach named.

 

[steve-o]

As I see it, the timeline looks like:
1) Early April - Appoint the new coach in the next 1-2 weeks
2) End of April - Give the new coach a few weeks to decide who he wants to try and retain and what the contracts would look like in terms of dollars and length
3) Mid May deadline - Give the players a deadline; you'd have to give them at least a couple of weeks after we table our final offers.
4) End of May - Announce resignings after 10-day cooling off period (does that apply to resignings?).

After step 3 we can also go to market to find replacements for any of the players that leave.

 

[Tiger_Tony]

Good to see the board and management have a plan B. Hopefully they also have a Plan C.

Allegedly there are rumours/stories that the board/management were advised not to sign the recently departed coach as he was trouble - isn't deja vu wonderful. He was signed anyway and the (lack of) results are there for all to see. Even Trent Robinson said there was no room at the Roosters for our former coach. I think that says it all.

We have shifted players and assistant coaches - by the previous coach on a regular basis, and coaches by board and management. So if we sign another failure, please not Hasler - he keeps getting to the finals but only real success was at Manly.

There is no point in having a coach who is tactical good as was supposedly our former coach if he is totally incapable of managing and motivating the players. If you can't communicate then you are effectively useless.

So Plan C is simple. If we go left field and go away from the expected choices - Cleary or Payten then, as they keep trumpeting, the only option is for the board and management to put the members and supporters first - accept that they are doing a lousy job and resign en masse.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

As I see it, the timeline looks like:
1) Early April - Appoint the new coach in the next 1-2 weeks
2) End of April - Give the new coach a few weeks to decide who he wants to try and retain and what the contracts would look like in terms of dollars and length
3) Mid May deadline - Give the players a deadline; you'd have to give them at least a couple of weeks after we table our final offers.
4) End of May - Announce resignings after 10-day cooling off period (does that apply to resignings?).

After step 3 we can also go to market to find replacements for any of the players that leave.

The new coach shouldn't need a few weeks to decide who he does and does not want. He should already have a good idea coming in. If you start work at a new job, you should have done a bit of research on the organisation before you start. You don't get there and then start doing the research.

 

[steve-o]

As I see it, the timeline looks like:
1) Early April - Appoint the new coach in the next 1-2 weeks
2) End of April - Give the new coach a few weeks to decide who he wants to try and retain and what the contracts would look like in terms of dollars and length
3) Mid May deadline - Give the players a deadline; you'd have to give them at least a couple of weeks after we table our final offers.
4) End of May - Announce resignings after 10-day cooling off period (does that apply to resignings?).

After step 3 we can also go to market to find replacements for any of the players that leave.

The new coach shouldn't need a few weeks to decide who he does and does not want. He should already have a good idea coming in. If you start work at a new job, you should have done a bit of research on the organisation before you start. You don't get there and then start doing the research.

He'll need some time to look over the books e.g. who do we have signed already, for how much, how long etc… what have been the discussions with Isaac Moses so far... what's the best plans moving forward.

Just saying I wouldn't expect Pascoe to put a deadline too soon. These things take time and a new coach will need to get up to speed. There's only so much research/thinking you can do, before you have the inside information available.

 

[sheer64]

Great to read that the club and what it stands for is bigger than any player and will not be held to ransom by some player manager. Now just need to see this acted out. Plenty of young kids and fringe first graders who would relish a starting position in first grade and be willing to put in week after week even when it gets tough. That's the team I hope we build for the future and the one I want to support.

 

[jirskyr]

This club wants to be the best sporting organisation in Australia, it wouldn't be the best in Ashfield/Concord/Campbelltown/Leichhardt

Not point having any ambition then i suppose?

Ambition and Wests Tigers don't mix I'm afraid at present

It's just corporate governance. Every business and organisation for - profit - aims to be #1, it will be written into their mission statement somewhere. You cannot run a business by stating you hope to be 5th best, that doesn't wash.

Don't get narky because they aim high and don't make it, as Highlander says "there can be only one".

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I thought I read or heard somewhere that The new coach was going to be in charge of most things that are pertaining to the Football and Coaching,
If that's true no one will have a clue what's happening anywhere until after the new Coach , (Cleary) is appointed. So the onlything holding up the players signing, is the appointment
Of the Coach. Any deadlines before that means nothing really.
He going to make sure that his contract suits him as well, so it's unlikely to be overnight.