Despite the criticism, Our record with Moltz at fullback

[Goose]

So would the same apply if it was Nick Graham or Ryan O'Hara do we assume they were better than they showed

One of the sillier threads I have seen

Stats may mean something in a Supercoach or Dreamteam but sometimes they mean jack diddly squat on a football team or football field

over a pool of 46 matches which is significant, our winnng percentage is increased by roughly 130% (between with and without)

you can call it silly if you like but that is a statistically relevant result bases event. It goes against your view of him so you disregard it.

I gurantee you that O'hara and Grahem dont have that record.

Ill never understand the hate for Moltz, he caught 13 balls on the full on monday night, an amazing result for any fullback, yet people say how poorly he was positioned…..

 

[Eye_of_a_Tiger]

Moltzen gets a ridiculous bagging on here, IMO very unfairly.

Over 2011/12 the period where Moltzen has been most heavily bagged we have a significantly better record with Moltz at fullback.

This season Moltz has played 13 games at fullback, 7 games with someone else. (counting the game against Newcastle as a miss, given that he left after 10 minutes)

With Moltz in at fullback we are 9 from 13, without 1 from 7.

In 2011 Moltz at fullback we won 10 from 14, without 5 from 12

So over the last 2 years we have a 70% success rate with moltz at fullback and 31% with him out.

So as much as everyone seems to bag him, we win more with him in, and 46 games is a reasonable statistical base for comparison.

Perhaps he offers something you guys dont see….or perhaps you are overly critical

He played very well last year in my opinion
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[LaT]

Critiquing his positioning is extremely valid if you watch him play more than last Mondays game.

 

[ctownboy]

I remember a certain Beau Ryan copping a bagging from his own fans too.. In fact I remember that same Beau Ryan being booed and heckled at games by his own fans…. That same Beau Ryan is now one of our most consistent performers and probably one of our most recognisable and supported players.

I strongly believe a lot of Moltzen's dislike comes from his body language - he does not seem interested or enthusiastic at all (aka A. Blair)... He appears to 'not care'.... On the other hand, Mr Ryan is confident, enthusiastic and displays a lot of positive body language..

I am a Moltzen fan and believe that he has a very bright future, but he needs to find the ticker and passion that Beau found!

 

[Goose]

Critiquing his positioning is extremely valid if you watch him play more than last Mondays game.

once he strings games together, his positional play is fine.

last year when he started he was poor, same early this year, once he plays 3 or 4 it is fine.

he is not billy slater but he is none the less a quality player.

 

[LaT]

Its fine, but its not at the level it should be, he isn't a rookie anymore. You can't blame 1 missed game on that big of a form reversal.

 

[Anthism]

Its fine, but its not at the level it should be, he isn't a rookie anymore. You can't blame 1 missed game on that big of a form reversal.

Yet he fails once since Round 6 and people still say he isn't good under the high ball…

 

[LaT]

Its fine, but its not at the level it should be, he isn't a rookie anymore. You can't blame 1 missed game on that big of a form reversal.

Yet he fails once since Round 6 and people still say he isn't good under the high ball…

Positioning….I'm watching him each week and I find myself yelling.

Its not all bad, all the time. But I don't hold him in high esteem compared to most other fullbacks in the NRL. Lets hope this all becomes moot when Tedesco gets back on board.

 

[Irvine]

With Moltz in at fullback we are 9 from 13, without 1 from 7.

He wasn't fullback in Round 1 against Cronulla which we won and he didn't play against the Storm which we won.
Doesn't that make it 2 from 7 without ?
Other Top 8 teams…Souths Round 5 played Fullback Lost. Brisbane Round 6 played Fullback Lost.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Its fine, but its not at the level it should be, he isn't a rookie anymore. You can't blame 1 missed game on that big of a form reversal.

Yet he fails once since Round 6 and people still say he isn't good under the high ball…

Positioning….I'm watching him each week and I find myself yelling.

Its not all bad, all the time. But I don't hold him in high esteem compared to most other fullbacks in the NRL. Lets hope this all becomes moot when Tedesco gets back on board.

I really wouldn't be expecting Tedesco to hit the ground running. It wouldn't surprise me if we don't see him start to reach his potential till 2014 or 15 given whats happened. Provided he doesn't encounter any more setbacks

 

[Paris_Cobbs]

Those stats on Moltz are because he is the best back we have at supporting Benji. For example, he positioned himself perfectly outside Benji when he scored against Parra.

 

[TIGER]

He's the key to our attack in the backs and Galloway is the key to our attack in the forwards.

 

[system]

Its fine, but its not at the level it should be, he isn't a rookie anymore. You can't blame 1 missed game on that big of a form reversal.

Yet he fails once since Round 6 and people still say he isn't good under the high ball…

It is the balls he doesn't contest at all that are the bigger worry

 

[Fumbles]

With Moltz in at fullback we are 9 from 13, without 1 from 7.

He wasn't fullback in Round 1 against Cronulla which we won and he didn't play against the Storm which we won.
Doesn't that make it 2 from 7 without ?
Other Top 8 teams…Souths Round 5 played Fullback Lost. Brisbane Round 6 played Fullback Lost.

Stats Stats Stats…That means out of all the top 8 teams the only game we have won with Moltzen at fullback is the cowboys game.

 

[happy_tiger]

So would the same apply if it was Nick Graham or Ryan O'Hara do we assume they were better than they showed

One of the sillier threads I have seen

Stats may mean something in a Supercoach or Dreamteam but sometimes they mean jack diddly squat on a football team or football field

over a pool of 46 matches which is significant, our winnng percentage is increased by roughly 130% (between with and without)

you can call it silly if you like but that is a statistically relevant result bases event. It goes against your view of him so you disregard it.

I gurantee you that O'hara and Grahem dont have that record.

Ill never understand the hate for Moltz, he caught 13 balls on the full on monday night, an amazing result for any fullback, yet people say how poorly he was positioned…..

And how many games have we lost due to his incompetence under the high ball over the last 2 years HEAPS

Just because at times we have managed to win despite him doesn't mean he has contributed

Apart from 8 games last season and one game this season he has been extremely ordinary (at best )and if you deny this you are not dealing with reality

 

[dermo]

So would the same apply if it was Nick Graham or Ryan O'Hara do we assume they were better than they showed

One of the sillier threads I have seen

Stats may mean something in a Supercoach or Dreamteam but sometimes they mean jack diddly squat on a football team or football field

over a pool of 46 matches which is significant, our winnng percentage is increased by roughly 130% (between with and without)

you can call it silly if you like but that is a statistically relevant result bases event. It goes against your view of him so you disregard it.

I gurantee you that O'hara and Grahem dont have that record.

Ill never understand the hate for Moltz, he caught 13 balls on the full on monday night, an amazing result for any fullback, yet people say how poorly he was positioned…..

And how many games have we lost due to his incompetence under the high ball over the last 2 years HEAPS

Just because at times we have managed to win despite him doesn't mean he has contributed

Apart from 8 games last season and one game this season he has been extremely ordinary (at best )and if you deny this you are not dealing with reality

I deny this, and last time I checked i look nothing like leonardo dicaprio, I dont think there has ever been a game you could put down to losing due to the incompetence of 1 single player.

 

[dimitri]

If you dont like the players or the coach there are 15 other teams for you whingers to support.

There is just no pleasing some people.

 

[happy_tiger]

Dermo Games turn on the mistakes or misreads of players How many times have we been playing well , and Moltzen lets a ball bounce or doesn't catch it and the game turns

I have stated many times if Moltzen played like he did for the 8 games at the back end of last season I don't have issues with him being fullback for the moment

But he is miles from that form and i have the right to bag him for that

When Tedesco is back next season he should be the first fullback chosen , and I'll will repeat what I have said since we signed Anasta "Where will Moltzen play then " ??

 

[Joel Helmes]

Dermo Games turn on the mistakes or misreads of players How many times have we been playing well , and Moltzen lets a ball bounce or doesn't catch it and the game turns

I have stated many times if Moltzen played like he did for the 8 games at the back end of last season I don't have issues with him being fullback for the moment

But he is miles from that form and i have the right to bag him for that

100% correct, don't kid yourselves Moltzen in 2012 is the worst fullback in the NRL.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

If you dont like the players or the coach there are 15 other teams for you whingers to support.

There is just no pleasing some people.

MUSTN'T. FEED. THE. TROLLS.