Donald Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon
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Tigerdave
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While it is true that not all muslims are terrorists, it is also true that all terrorists are muslims.
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of course not all terrorists attacks are done by Muslims, just the vast majority,
To be fair to Milky Dingo, he was responding to your above quote where you did say all terrorists are Muslims.
Also to add, yes Islamists have killed far more than any other terrorist group recently…........it is also true they've killed more Muslims than any other group.
There are plenty of active non-Islamic terrorist groups, there are Christian, Jewish, Hindu, even Buddhist..........name your religion or ideology, you'll find terrorism in the past and plenty of current stuff, but mentioning them tends to shift the conversation unnecessarily away from the vastly bigger problem the world is facing.
People like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, however, are part of the problem not the solution.
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of course not all terrorists attacks are done by Muslims, just the vast majority,
To be fair to Milky Dingo, he was responding to your above quote where you did say all terrorists are Muslims.
Also to add, yes Islamists have killed far more than any other terrorist group recently…........it is also true they've killed more Muslims than any other group.
There are plenty of active non-Islamic terrorist groups, there are Christian, Jewish, Hindu, even Buddhist..........name your religion or ideology, you'll find terrorism in the past and plenty of current stuff, but mentioning them tends to shift the conversation unnecessarily away from the vastly bigger problem the world is facing.
People like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, however, are part of the problem not the solution.
happy_tiger
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@Tigerdave said:
You left out the Hare Krishnas TD
I fear them the most
supercoach
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I see the whole Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon thing as a big budget soap opera, but the scary thing it is real life and I would say he is good odds to get the Republicans over the line come November. We go on about our pollies but Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon makes Barnaby Joyce look like Winston Churchill.
When you hear what Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is talking about, you have to worry what the American people want, when the come out and support him in droves.
At least here in Australia if labor win or the libs win you still get basically the same government as they both are pretty conservative these days. With Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon you have this far right madman
When you hear what Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is talking about, you have to worry what the American people want, when the come out and support him in droves.
At least here in Australia if labor win or the libs win you still get basically the same government as they both are pretty conservative these days. With Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon you have this far right madman
Tigerdave
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@happy tiger said:
They are pretty scary happy…........forgot about them and Jain's, 2 religious groups that don't partake in violence
happy_tiger
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@Tigerdave said:
A tambourine in the hands of a man who knows how to use it ,dressed in orange chanting 😱pen_mouth:
Peaceful terrorists are the worst , especially when the lash out unexpectedly
@Newtown said:
Yes I think that's true. If McCain (circa 2008) was running I think he'd beat Hillary easily. Even Romney would have been a chance.
@Dingo said:
I was reading your comment with interest Dingo and found myself agreeing with the majority of your post until you mentioned Hezbollah as a terrorist organisation displacing people.
Just because America categorises Hezbollah as a terrorist group it doesn't mean it is a terrorist group. The only crime Hezbollah is guilty of committing is being opposed to Israel's foreign policy in the middle east, which America uses as grounds for labelling as a terrorist organisation.
Hezbollah was in fact one of the only organisations fighting ISIS in the middle east when the rest of the world was sitting on its hands. They are not terrorists and in fact are moderate, accepting muslims who live opposed to the extremists who continually tarnish their name.
Don't let western media fool you into thinking otherwise.
and tony u know that hezbollah are all good , are u part of there group, because what u have written is also tonys media and u want us all to believe u, i dont think so, there terrorits because if they dont get things there way they are prepared to kill to get people to live the way they want.
@Tigerdave said:
"To be fair to Milky Dingo, he was responding to your above quote where you did say all terrorists are Muslims."
I didn't make the comment that all Muslims are terrorists, that's ridiculous, only about 99.6% are. i made mention of the quote from another comment in this thread.
"yes Islamists have killed far more than any other terrorist group recently….......**.it is also true they've killed more Muslims than any other group**."
Im not sure what that has to do with anything? Muslims are killing muslims so its ok?
"There are plenty of active non-Islamic terrorist groups"
Nowhere near the devastation caused by Muslim groups though, lets make that very clear. And whats your point here? So no need to worry about problem A when you can introduce problem B? its all equal then i guess, 11 abortion killings in 25 years is the same as 250,000 deaths and 5-10 million displacements by islamic terrorists in the last decade? ill wait for another KKK reference.
"People like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon, however, are part of the problem not the solution"
Care to elaborate on that strawman?
@Tony33 said:
The Arab League, United States, France, the Gulf Cooperation Council, **Australia**, Canada, the Netherlands, and Israel have classified Hezbollah as a terrorist organization
Last time i checked I was an Australian Citizen, are you? If so, your government has stated they are a terrorist nation, sorry pal. #factshurt
@Dingo said:
The reference to the Muslims killing Muslims is an inference that the killings are not religious motivated (IE they are not terrorists because they are muslims, they are terrorists who are also muslim)
A lot of the deaths and displacement, particularly in Syria, are not on religious grounds, it a power struggle with a number of groups trying to take control of the area as an aftermath/continuation of the civil war that commenced once the Al-Assad family was overturned. The US is more than partly responsible for the fall of the Al-Assad family as they took direct action against them as they openly opposed the second Iraq invasion and opposed an Oil pipeline. In doing so they empowered a number of other groups which were heavily involved in the overthrow and ensuing civil war. That is a whole other topic.
Not much of what is happening in Syria has anything to do with religion.
Not overly dissimilar to what is happening in Zimbabwe, Mugabe identifies as Christian, do we chalk up the deaths over the last 30 years to Christian terrorism??
The groups of people that are killing men, woman and Children throughout the world are horrible people, many of which happen to be Muslim, many of the victims happen to be Muslim as well!
So because these innocent people who 2 years ago, were teachers and accountants and everyday people like us have there world turned upside down, and are literally having there houses burnt down and family members killed because some nutjobs are trying to take control of there formerly developed country, so because they pay to the same god, as the blokes doing the torture, we should tar the victims with the same brush as the perpetrator.
It is akin to seeing some nutter shooting up the neighbourhood, and some bloke flees to your house to escape and you dont let him in because he and the shooter both follow Cronulla.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is channelling hate, he is beg deliberately divisive and his answer to everything is attack.
If he goes and bombs ISiS (which in effect bombs a heap of innocent people as well who are there ironically because he wont let them in), he is going to create another generation of people who resent the US and all they stand for because they killed there mother, father, brother , uncle….. what will those people do?? SIt there and take it? Nope they will do the same, and the cycle continues.
He even encouraged his supporters to be violent with someone presenting a dissenting view, this guy as president is scary....proper scary, like could lead the world into destruction scary.
@Dingo said:
You want to talk about terrorism? Well get your own facts right, if you believe that ISIS funded itself and all of a sudden became who it is today without the financial assistance of other countries E.G AMERICA, then i believe you are on the deluded side.
America funded ISIS in order to take down the Syrian President, not knowing that it would bite them in the backside, America basically created ISIS, they are fighting their own creation.
Hazebollah is a terorist organisation? That made me chuckle, they are the main enemy of ISIS, they want to bring them down more than anybody else does, they don't kill innocent civillians, their aim is to protect Lebanon and Syria, not cause harm, have you ever seen a Hezebollah attack on the news? No you haven't, just because America or Australia say so, doesn't mean they are.
Tigerdave
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@Dingo said:
and I never said you did, go re-read what I wrote, cheers. Also a citation is required on your percentage thanks.
@Dingo said:
huh? are you projecting there? that's certainly not what I was suggesting at all. You were going on about Islamists killing and the numbers etc, you've just stated 99.6% of them are terrorists…...so you carrying on about all the death they've cause, well...........they are mostly killing each other, so given your stance I have to ask you, why bother bringing up the numbers of deaths if it's mostly Muslim terrorists that are being killed?
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@Dingo said:
and completely disregards what I stated at the end of that. Shall I quote myself since you've decided to skip over that?
"but mentioning them tends to shift the conversation unnecessarily away from the vastly bigger problem the world is facing."
I was pretty much defending you there and pointing out to Milky that mentioning the other stuff doesn't mean that much given the numbers, but playing the numbers game is not taking any sort of moral high ground of course. Just because one lot is worse than the others doesn't mean we get to disregard what other groups are doing.
@Dingo said:
That's not a strawman, that's a statement. I can elaborate on that statement though. Groups like ISIS need people like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon to stir up anti-Muslim sentiment in the West, it's something they have spoken about directly. They want anti-Muslim sentiment from which to recruit from. This helps them continue their narrative of being victims. Hence, Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is part of the problem not the solution.
Tigerdave
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@Goose said:
That wasn't what I was inferring, to say what is going on around the world has nothing to do with Islam is not true at all. Equally it's not true to say it has everything to do with Islam. It's both religious and political.
@Goose said:
Certainly the civil war in Syria has very little to do with religion. Way more a political power struggle than anything else. What's interesting about this now is how accurate the new leaked documents are insinuating that the Assad Regime has been colluding with ISIS, which could implicate Russia.
Tigerdave
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@Milky said:
ok, let's take the tin foil hat off and take a step back. Now whilst it's true at the beginning of the Syrian civil war the US gave aid to just about every group fighting the regime, yes this did include ISIS, but you're not giving the full story which is disingenuous. They gave aid to many groups.
They didn't create them, they were already there. These guys are offshoots from Al Qaeda, they believe Al Qaeda are too moderate.
As for Hezbollah they are a terrorist organisation according to the Arab League and the Gulf Cooperation Council….......so not just what the US or Australia says. Plus them actually committing terrorist acts would seem to suggest they are as well.
And when a group, such as them, are holocaust denialists, then they can get stuffed. Since 1985 their goal has been to wipe Israel off the map. Now I'm not suggesting that Israel are blameless or shouldn't share some of the burden of problems in the area, but to try to let Hezbollah completely off the hook is not accurate at all.
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magpiecol: "While it is true that not all muslims are terrorists, it is also true that all terrorists are muslims.
So you have given terrorism your own definition.
It is the role of Government to keep their citizens safe. That means not being blown up, shot, having your head cut off and if you are homosexual, being thrown off very tall buildings. To say nothing of being burnt of drowned in a cage.
Government are also a cause of similar actions.
Look at invasion from the past 20 years. Missile strike alone have caused;
Bodies being blown up or amputated, people burnt alive, civilians trapped, crushed or suffocated to death under the rubble. Millions effected by poverty & disease. Embargo's & sanctioned placed. have effected millions. Is that not that terrorism? Or do they have to dress up in black and shout out an Islamic slogan to be considered?
Those homosexual punishments you referred too (head cut off, thrown off a building), also have no foundation in islamic law. I only add that because of your ignorant initial statement, regarding all terrorists are muslims. That would be implying that their actions regarding to the punishment make it an 'islamic law', which it is not.
So, whose human rights do you want to protect again? "
You can safeguard a nation without having to be racist.
Evil doesn't belong to a certain group. No human race is superior over another.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon wants to make Muslims & other non anglo white foreigners feel like 2nd class citizens. Screening has been going on for decades, it is nothing new, so he was implying they aren't welcome. He is racist, make no mistake.
Dingo: "Ill just go with this little chestnut, Boko Harem and ISIL between the 2 groups in the last 5 years have killed 50,000+ people and displaced more then 5 million people (UN stats) That on its own is enough to stifle your argument. Can you comprehend those numbers mate??
Over the last 10 years its estimated 150-250,000 people have died from Islamic terrorism.
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Those numbers are dwarfed by the US army alone.
The amount dead & displacements can't truly be counted up until this day, well in the millions.
Cities flattened, infrastructure beyond repair, livelihood gone, not being able to work and earn a living. No access to electricity, running water or food. not being able to be treated medically for diseases and malnutrition. The embargo's & sanctions placed have indirectly caused millions of deaths. Terrorism on another level.
To add to your terror phobia, The US have openly funded and supported groups such as the Taliban, Al-Qaeda & Isis during their initial phase, and have gave them a global audience.
Is it no coincidence that wherever these boogeyman are, the US government follows, waiting for civil unrest or a reason to invade so they can install US foreign policy stooges & a new central banking system to replace the old.
The Hegelian Dialectic: Problem - Reaction - Solution
(create) -> (anticipate) -> (have solution ready to offer)
"Out of chaos comes order".
So you have given terrorism your own definition.
It is the role of Government to keep their citizens safe. That means not being blown up, shot, having your head cut off and if you are homosexual, being thrown off very tall buildings. To say nothing of being burnt of drowned in a cage.
Government are also a cause of similar actions.
Look at invasion from the past 20 years. Missile strike alone have caused;
Bodies being blown up or amputated, people burnt alive, civilians trapped, crushed or suffocated to death under the rubble. Millions effected by poverty & disease. Embargo's & sanctioned placed. have effected millions. Is that not that terrorism? Or do they have to dress up in black and shout out an Islamic slogan to be considered?
Those homosexual punishments you referred too (head cut off, thrown off a building), also have no foundation in islamic law. I only add that because of your ignorant initial statement, regarding all terrorists are muslims. That would be implying that their actions regarding to the punishment make it an 'islamic law', which it is not.
So, whose human rights do you want to protect again? "
You can safeguard a nation without having to be racist.
Evil doesn't belong to a certain group. No human race is superior over another.
Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon wants to make Muslims & other non anglo white foreigners feel like 2nd class citizens. Screening has been going on for decades, it is nothing new, so he was implying they aren't welcome. He is racist, make no mistake.
Dingo: "Ill just go with this little chestnut, Boko Harem and ISIL between the 2 groups in the last 5 years have killed 50,000+ people and displaced more then 5 million people (UN stats) That on its own is enough to stifle your argument. Can you comprehend those numbers mate??
Over the last 10 years its estimated 150-250,000 people have died from Islamic terrorism.
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Those numbers are dwarfed by the US army alone.
The amount dead & displacements can't truly be counted up until this day, well in the millions.
Cities flattened, infrastructure beyond repair, livelihood gone, not being able to work and earn a living. No access to electricity, running water or food. not being able to be treated medically for diseases and malnutrition. The embargo's & sanctions placed have indirectly caused millions of deaths. Terrorism on another level.
To add to your terror phobia, The US have openly funded and supported groups such as the Taliban, Al-Qaeda & Isis during their initial phase, and have gave them a global audience.
Is it no coincidence that wherever these boogeyman are, the US government follows, waiting for civil unrest or a reason to invade so they can install US foreign policy stooges & a new central banking system to replace the old.
The Hegelian Dialectic: Problem - Reaction - Solution
(create) -> (anticipate) -> (have solution ready to offer)
"Out of chaos comes order".
@Milky said:
I'm a proud Australian mate but im also smart enough to know that my government as any other focus on self interest rather than the truth and facts.
You say Hezbollah are a terrorist organisation, so who are their enemy ? When was the last time they commited a terrorist attack ? Why do they live peacefully with all other demographics around them ? You have no idea mate.
All those countries that you mentioned have labelled them a terroist group because they are backed by Shia Iran and opposed by Sunni Saudia Arabia (the country that secretly funds ISIS and Islamic sect that ISIS derives from).
The question you should be asking is why our government has aligned itself with the country that endorses fundamentalists and secretly funds these terrorist organisations ?
I bet you won't though, you'll just put your head in the sand and justify it by calling yourself a proud Australian.
Dingo sounds like a more grammaticaly skilled reincarnation of Jerry :laughing:
He claims that 99.6% of muslims are terrorists.
He also presents facts that suggest that Islamic terrorists are responsible for 250,000 deaths and 10-15 million displaced people.
But then wouldn't all these victims not really be victims because they are muslims who are 99.6% terrorists ?
How does that work ?
So terrorists are killing other terrorists ?
I'm confused..
He claims that 99.6% of muslims are terrorists.
He also presents facts that suggest that Islamic terrorists are responsible for 250,000 deaths and 10-15 million displaced people.
But then wouldn't all these victims not really be victims because they are muslims who are 99.6% terrorists ?
How does that work ?
So terrorists are killing other terrorists ?
I'm confused..
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