Finals series 2017 *Spoilers

Good weekend of footy. A few ordinary calls but that's no different to any other round. Good teams beat the whistle. Flanagan was an embarrassment, comedy plus for the neutral audience especially how he's harped on in the past about being on the favoured end of suss decisions.

Glad to see Parra get done, hope the Cowboys do them in next week and send them out in straight sets, I want to see Blisters crying into his jersey.
 
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Gee crowds were poor for the semis

As I said on another forum, the telecrap want us out of the comp and we draw near semi final crowds to end of season games with no bearing on the result. A strong Weststigers team would draw at least 25000 of its own following in a finals game plus what the other mob pull in. Manly have been the same for decades, they will not cross the bridge and Iam surprised that the Penny fans were not there in droves

Getting around Sydney these days is a nightmare and add roadtolls, parking fees to the cost of your ticket price if you do take your car - Alliance becoming less attractive as a venue to draw good crowds.Only convenient for inner city dwellers. Makes watching it on TV a much more attractive option for many fans.
Its a problem for the NRL that they really can not do much about.
Agree about our fans support - based on the crowds for the Easter Monday – game a Parra/ West Tigers final would have been a blockbuster.
 
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Hehehehe Flanagan, what a blouse! That press conference was a beauty. Would make a brilliant Kleenex ad.
Well done to the Cows, a real gutsy win.

Ah well, the drug cheats are gone at least. Now next weekend we have the Panthers playing the unofficial salary cap cheats for the right to play the original and best salary cap cheats in one prelim final, and the Cowboys playing another official salary cap cheat for the right to play another of the NRL's unofficial salary cap cheats in the other prelim final. Welcome to finals time NRL-style!
Go Panthers and Cowboys, good luck to both clubs and may one of them go all the way to the premiership. Only then will justice eventually be done for season 2017.

I actually feel sorry for Parramatta on their cap management. Melbourne seemed to blur the edges to get a superstar side. Parramatta had no IDEA what they were doing! They blew the cap too…. Chase the spoon! Which is hilarious as they fire Michael Hagan who got them to the premiership because he was too casual, then they put Michael in charge of Salary cap management?

How on earth Brad Arthur gets up in the morning, no idea. Seriously Parra should have changed their colours to white facepaint with red nozes and green hair. Hats off to Brad for sticking and STICKING to the team through the troubles they have had.

I'm going to go for the Eels. Yes there is no one I really want to go for and I will cheer Penrith, though I can see them fading... Yes I might not cheer their 5/8 but I can cheer the team.
 
Thing about Gallen, he's never wrong in his own head. He can't ever see the opposition's position.

He gets pinged for a dropped ball yesterday and there was some ruck interference, sure, but there is always ruck interference of some kind and you don't get all the calls. In my opinion he was trying to milk a penalty with 2 mins to go in front of the sticks, and I think the refs were wise to him.

That's Gallen. He's always been willing to risk an error or mistake to jag a penalty. He did it to us in our first match when the Tedesco try was disallowed following Woods brushing him with his arm. If you are going to risk milking penalties, you gotta accept that they are at best 50/50, or at worst you end up like Robbie Farah and the refs just start ignoring you even for legit penalties.

Maloney never should have grabbed Lowe and personally I'm fine with his sin-binning - there is precedent now for these professional fouls and the bin has been broadly utilised recently. Sure players are jostled and run off the ball all the time but there's a clear difference between changing your line and shouldering vs sticking your arm out to coathang a guy who is chasing a grabber on the try line.

Maloney got done for being dumb enough and obvious enough to be caught.

And Storm showed, even if you cop a sin bin, if you are good enough you can overcome that penalty and still win. Sharkies still had plenty of chances to win that game, but failed to execute.
 
I remember Gallen laughing at Cleary earlier in the year when Cleary questioned the Tedesco no try when Gal took a dive. Whose crying now drug cheat.
 
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I remember Gallen laughing at Cleary earlier in the year when Cleary questioned the Tedesco no try when Gal took a dive. Whose crying now drug cheat.

You guys know how to lay it on, you don't forget anything.
 
NRL CEO Todd Greenberg has blasted Sea Eagles coach Trent Barrett and his Cronulla counterpart Shane Flanagan for their comments about match officials after both sides were bundled out in a dramatic Week One of the NRL Telstra Premiership Finals series.
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In a week that saw two matches decided by two points and another in extra-time, the spotlight has been firmly focussed on the referees and the Bunker rather than the quality and theatre of the four finals matches.
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Greenberg described the first week of the finals as "phenomenal" and was clearly frustrated that Barrett and Flanagan chose to deflect attention away from their teams' performances to the referees.
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Barrett was left incensed after several Bunker decisions went against his side during Saturday night's 22-10 loss to the Panthers while Flanagan hit out at the on-field officials over a number of key calls despite his side making 17 errors and conceding 11 penalties in Sunday's extra-time loss to the Cowboys.
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The hysteria around the decisions has dominated the media landscape for the past 48 hours and has taken the gloss off celebrated moments such as Latrell Mitchell's match-winning try as well as Cameron Smith's games record.
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Coaches have been warned about attacking the officials in their post-match media conferences and as a result of this weekend's comments, Greenberg confirmed both the Sea Eagles and Sharks would receive breach notices in the next 24 hours.
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"We've just had one of the most exciting rounds of finals footy I think of all time. Every game went down to the wire, two games were decided by two points and another game went into extra-time. We're very fortunate to have a sporting contest as even as this," Greenberg said at Rugby League Central on Monday.
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"And yet, in a fantastic round of finals, it's been marred by the response of some of the losing teams. Unfortunately, we've developed a culture in our game of blaming match officials for a loss. It sets a terrible example for fans and a terrible example to grassroots and it's got to stop. It's time for the game to grow up."
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Greenberg said referees had to be held accountable for their decisions and conceded that not every call was going to be correct, but was quick to add that he agreed with most of the calls from the weekend's games and said that the teams had to be responsible for their performances rather than point the finger at whistle-blowers.
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At a time when it's becoming harder to attract people to become referees at grassroots level, Greenberg's hard stance should serve as a warning to coaches that such behaviour will not be tolerated.
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"I'm not saying the referees are perfect; they never have been and they never will be. I'm not saying that our referees got every call right, but I have reviewed the games and I can tell you the vast majority of calls were spot on," he said.
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"The disputes we're talking about are on some really tight calls – 50-50 calls – and there'll be debate and controversy no matter which way they go; that is the game. But players make mistakes too and that's what costs games and that's why teams lose; it's not the referees. That culture has to change. We have to grow up and take responsibility for our own outcomes.
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"It's disappointing that losing coaches think that it's okay to take away from that wonderful weekend of footy and attack match officials. We expect a lot more from people in such influential positions.
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"Our coaches have a responsibility to the game as well as a responsibility to their clubs and their actions and their comments must reflect that always. Emotion and passion and the heartbreak of your season ending is not an excuse. The game really does need to grow up.
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"To suggest that a team won't be playing finals this weekend is only due to refereeing errors is ridiculous and needs to be called out.
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"I'm not prepared to stand around and allow match officials to be blamed as the only reason for a club's loss."

from nrl.com

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Greenberg is off with the fairies.
The refereeing standard at the moment is pitiful - and has been getting worse for years.
About time the NRL found a better way to get rid of the obvious errors that affect teams winning or losing.
 
The refereeing is abysmal, but the Sharks had the chances to win that game but they blew it. When a coach and captain are quick to blame referees it filters through the squad and the players are less likely to have the fortitude to bounce back from it.

It's difficult for me to comment on Manly & Barrett as I have not seen the game.
 
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Klien should be dropped from the referees roster.he is dreadful.

I thought retirement for klien also and then googled him and he's only 37\. The only thing if he/they retire he will go straight to the bunker where he can still be ordinary. Horse heads a great example.
 
I don't agree about the refereeing standard being bad - it's more or less the same as it's always been, just that there is only ever more attention and scrutiny year on year. In parallel to this, players are more and more professional than they've ever been, and there is an extremely thin line between legal and illegal.

It's selective memory by some fans too. Some people really believe the officiating in the 80s, say, was superior to now, but sit down and watch a few matches from back then and see the howlers that occurred, howlers that were accepted in the wash because there was no alternative system. The standard of football wasn't specifically any better than now either, just different, and depending on your tastes or your nostalgia, for better or worse.

Surely people remember the 90s, when we finally got video refereeing and the howlers were mostly ironed out of the game. But along with the technology came an increasing reliance on interpretation for close calls, and these grey areas are now the ones that people get frustrated over.

So case in point Sharks v Cowboys last weekend. I don't honestly think Prior stripped the footy but that wasn't a video call, that was a live judgement, and they are your only two options - either you get the video to look at everything, or you give the majority of control to the on-field refs. I do honestly think Gallen dropped the football, and whilst I don't doubt there was some mess in the ruck, it is his responsibility to clear the ruck and play the football correctly. Gallen has history, I said it before, and you can only cry wolf so often before the refs stop listening. Also Gallen didn't have to surge at the line like a hero and play the ball in the teeth of crouched on-line defenders, he could have dropped 10 metres out and let his team set up for a field goal. But that's Gallen for you, he does what he thinks is best and sometimes his team pays for it, sometimes he just touches the ball too often.

I can't cop these coaches blaming specific close calls as being season-ending. Sharks simply weren't good enough, they've been limping all season and never managing to recapture the form from 2016\. They made too many mistakes, gave away too many penalties and messed up their game plan on Sunday. Andrew Fifita going rogue wide at the death and dropping the football - perfect example of Cronulla's entire season. Flanagan embarrassed himself coming out in the presser with a sob sheet of calls he didn't like.

I won't ever forget 1989, when Bill Harrigan penalised Bruce McGuire for using a retreating offside Steve Walters as a shepherd. Ridiculous call, boils my blood even to today, that an attacker should be penalised for pushing against a player who has not retreated the 10\. But that's not the only reason Balmain lost, Balmain lost for all the other reasons too - McNeil getting ankle-tapped, the Elias crossbar field goal, Junior dropping the football with the line open, Tigers failing to defuse the O'Sullivan bomb near full time, Warren Ryan subbing on defenders to protect the 6-pt lead.

Football goes for 80 mins and if you don't play well for the full 80, you are every chance of being beaten in a way you don't like.
 
And the other thing I'll say is - if there is a better way of reffing, please do give us your thoughts. Refereeing is like democracy - imperfect but it's the best system we have.

Very many people, smart footy people, have tried to improve refereeing over very many seasons, yet here we are, fans still disappointed.

When there's a better system, I'm sure the NRL will consider adopting it. They adopted the AFL finals system after years of McIntyre, because it became clear as being a superior system.

It's just that almost nobody outside of the NRL governing body has too many ideas about fixing refereeing, just complaints.

Personally I think we need to keep thinking about introducing the captain's call. You get 1 or 2 challenges per half and if you blow them on wrong, too bad. Puts the emphasis on the captain to call out mistakes if they are genuine, or shut up. It works great in tennis because calls are more black and white, so the difficulty for league is: how you manage the incidents that are still unclear or debatable on video review?
 

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