Finals week 1, 2025 discussion

[coivtny]

Just to throw the cat amongst the pigeons - Wonder if people still think Maguire can't coach?
Does help he has some good cattle.

Always thought he could coach. To be fair no coach could have done much better with the WT team he had at his disposal. But his history with Souths is interesting and this is only year one with Brisbane. He can coach but his coaching may not be sustainable over the long term.

 

[426Tlgerland]

As a spectacle for all fans I want to see the best players playing in finals. We have seen inconsistencies in fines, suspensions, refereeing decisions all season. None of what I saw yesterday deserves any player to be sitting on the sidelines. Smithies got off for a headbutt against the WTs a few weeks ago. Ricky's got the blinkers on again.

Any attempt to headbutt needs to be punished , to many kids are watching out game by the thousands , just cause your a gun player doesn’t give you the right to be treated differently , if that was a Tigers player yesterday he would have been sent off not sin bin and probably got 6 weeks for a HEADBUTT

 

[mikey]

Always thought he could coach. To be fair no coach could have done much better with the WT team he had at his disposal. But his history with Souths is interesting and this is only year one with Brisbane. He can coach but his coaching may not be sustainable over the long term.

Does remain to be seen but he has them firing better than Kevvie (he did have them up for it the year b4 though - interesting - would like to know what happened there).

 

[coivtny]

The NRL and match officials have only themselves to blame for the Walsh / Hudson incident yesterday. For the past few years they have done nothing about the taunting that has become an increasing part of the game. Players patting opposition players on the back derisively after they knock on or miss a tackle. It happens half a dozen times a game in most games and is its just unsporting. It's part of the increasing Americanisation of our game which includes things like taunting and ridiculous try celebrations.
Taunting should be eliminated from the game by penalising it into oblivion.
Having said that and based on the way the game has been refereed in relation to taunting, Hudson's binning should not have happened.

 

[Telltails]

Any attempt to headbutt needs to be punished , to many kids are watching out game by the thousands , just cause your a gun player doesn’t give you the right to be treated differently , if that was a Tigers player yesterday he would have been sent off not sin bin and probably got 6 weeks for a HEADBUTT

It was the softest of reactions by a smaller bloke with a bigger bloke in his face. Both were binned move on. The aftermath of that was possibly the most exciting game of the season - semi final worth.
Walsh cops more than most players and is targeted from opposing sides because of his talent. The last thing we need to see is him rubbed out because he reacts back.

 

[Fainu Brothers]

Hopefully next year we can at least feature in finals week 1. Can only dream

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Confirmed that Walsh only facing a fine. No word on Carrigan, but I’m assuming he’s also in the clear.

 

[Odessa]

Head butting shouldn’t be considered any better than a punch. It’s still intent.

I think it's worst you have less time to defend yourself

I was in gymea one night after having a few drinks and I saw a couple of girls getting harassed I went to help them and I received a headbutt off one of the young men who was harrassing them right as my grandson was pulling up with his gym friends my grandson at the time was preparing for his first MMA fight

My grandson loves his pops and took care of them but I still remember the headbutt it's dirty and weak and I hurt so much

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Carrigan looking at one with week with an early plea. 2 if he fights and loses. I’d say they will look to fight the grading. Idk how that affects a two game ban if he loses. Big risk when it’s a GF.

 

[twentyforty]

What?
That is arse about.
How many times do you see players do what Young did?
People like Mulitalo or Liam Martin do it half a dozen times every game. I don’t like it, but it’s not rare. Walsh on the other hand got baited and reacted poorly. He tried to headbutt him then forcefully shoved him to the ground. He admitted as much post game.
Almost 100% of the time that is a penalty against Walsh.

Prior to the “head butt” young wrapped his arms around Walsh. OK, the ball was dead att, but surely the aggressor needs to be brought to account for what unfolded?

 

[Halbrowne61]

Very good question. I don't bash referees on this forum but I have real doubts about Ashley Klein. He knew he had to bin Walsh and the best way to even it up was to bin Hudson for what was basically gamesmanship. You'd bin 10 players, at least, if you applied that rule to every game.

And , on top of that, he gave the penalty to Broncos, which shifted blame from Walsh to Young. So Walsh gets 2 fines ($4800), head butt ok, Young not even mentioned and Carrigan rightly charged for shoulder to the head ( one game).
Thank you linesmen, thank you ballboys.

 

[twentyforty]

Don't want to verbal you here but, are you saying the correct decision would have been to bin Hudson and leave Walsh on the field?

Yes that’s what I’m saying. If you want to get rid of the goading from the game, then punish the aggressor. Walsh didn’t have the ball, there was no need for Young to wrap his arms around Walsh and beg him to head butt his way out. I would have been happy with both staying on the park with a penalty awarded to Broncos. Or if someone had to go off then it should have been Young.

 

[innsaneink]

Carrigan looking at one with week with an early plea. 2 if he fights and loses. I’d say they will look to fight the grading. Idk how that affects a two game ban if he loses. Big risk when it’s a GF.

He clearly got Smithies in the gob...either a split lip or loose tooth they mentioned on fox at the time smithies doesnt wear a mouthguard...we really only saw one angle that was clear.
Theyll have the top brass going over the replays as we speak trying to decide which way to go with it

 

[Telltails]

Yes that’s what I’m saying. If you want to get rid of the goading from the game, then punish the aggressor. Walsh didn’t have the ball, there was no need for Young to wrap his arms around Walsh and beg him to head butt his way out. I would have been happy with both staying on the park with a penalty awarded to Broncos. Or if someone had to go off then it should have been Young.

Agree they all go after Walsh - for obvious reasons he can a turn game individually more than most. Young had no business being there.

 

[Flippedy]

The NRL and match officials have only themselves to blame for the Walsh / Hudson incident yesterday. For the past few years they have done nothing about the taunting that has become an increasing part of the game. Players patting opposition players on the back derisively after they knock on or miss a tackle. It happens half a dozen times a game in most games and is its just unsporting. It's part of the increasing Americanisation of our game which includes things like taunting and ridiculous try celebrations.
Taunting should be eliminated from the game by penalising it into oblivion.
Having said that and based on the way the game has been refereed in relation to taunting, Hudson's binning should not have happened.

Let’s face it they do all that posturing crap because they’re not allowed to punch anymore.

 

[colinbh]

Yes that’s what I’m saying. If you want to get rid of the goading from the game, then punish the aggressor. Walsh didn’t have the ball, there was no need for Young to wrap his arms around Walsh and beg him to head butt his way out. I would have been happy with both staying on the park with a penalty awarded to Broncos. Or if someone had to go off then it should have been Young.

Obviously you have never been head-hunted. How about a kick to the nuts?

 

[coivtny]

Yes that’s what I’m saying. If you want to get rid of the goading from the game, then punish the aggressor. Walsh didn’t have the ball, there was no need for Young to wrap his arms around Walsh and beg him to head butt his way out. I would have been happy with both staying on the park with a penalty awarded to Broncos. Or if someone had to go off then it should have been Young.

I totally agree with you about goading but Klein refereed that incident different to how it’s been refereed ever. I hate goading but you can’t do a 180 degree turn in officiating without any warning. It was typical Klein partisanship.
I respect your opinion but can you point out any previous incident in our game where the goader was the one penalised and binned. I can’t.

 

[coivtny]

Let’s face it they do all that posturing crap because they’re not allowed to punch anymore.

Probably. But I can promise you if I’d been game to do that in my junior games our coach would have frog-marched me off and played a man short.
Shame that discipline has gone from the game. Mind you, playing a man short with me off might have improved our game.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Let’s face it they do all that posturing crap because they’re not allowed to punch anymore.

I don’t think Hudson Young would have feared being punched by Reece Walsh. But that mentality definitely exists. Read Mahoney is a prime example.

 

[Enmore_Tiger]

I totally agree with you about goading but Klein refereed that incident different to how it’s been refereed ever. I hate goading but you can’t do a 180 degree turn in officiating without any warning. It was typical Klein partisanship.
I respect your opinion but can you point out any previous incident in our game where the goader was the one penalised and binned. I can’t.

100% Walsh bin, HY a strong warning, penalty Raiders.