Fix recruitment first

2041

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I'm starting to find it genuinely baffling that Warren McDonald still has his job. The way the Tigers have gone about signing and re-signing players is looking likely to keep us rooted in the bottom six for the next three years - and longer if the same people are allowed to keep making the decisions.

Here's the rap sheet, ignoring for now the second tier players:

**Players in**
**Blair**: In the frame for worst signing of all time given the size and length of his contract, and what's worse a competent club could have seen it coming. The fact that Blair at Melbourne was clearly 90% the product of the system he played is now obvious to all but the most blinkered, but how did our club not only miss that but also pay this waste of a jersey as if he's Sonny Bill Williams?
**Anasta**: Yes, theoretically the jury is still out but by the time he comes back 20% of his contract duration will have gone and we've seen nothing so far. A nonentity in the pack with some of the weakest numbers you can imagine, his best position is apparently the same as our best-paid player. So why did we sign him?
**Tuqiri**: I'm listing him here but really the biggest crime is re-signing him for this season when he was already carrying a serious injury that has kept him out of the side for the best part of two years. I don't care if he's on the mimimum - we could use that minimum now to bring in something close to a first grader. Last season there were three mid-season signings that clearly show how valuable it can be to have some flexibility in your cap to pick up guys whose faces don't fit elsewhere - how useful to us could Mason, Inu or Perrett be right now? Yet we persist with giving sweetheart deals to an injured, old winger.

**Players retained**
**Moltzen**: The biggest panic move I've ever seen. You have to laugh when you realise the guy we have bobbing around for his utility value actually can't play anywhere except a position where we genuinely have a good, cheap young option.
**Marshall**: I'm not going to get into the debate about whether Marshall should be out of the side right now. But what we're just about to do is sign ourselves up to be paying star wages to the 34-year-old version of Marshall. Is this a guy who is showing signs of being a good five-eighth at that age? As he gets slower he will need a better kicking game absolutely without a doubt, and at the moment he is in his late 20s and is, conservatively, in the bottom half of the comp in terms of five-eighth kicking ability. Unless he changes that this contract will be an albatross by 2015, yet the Tigers are apparently happy to sign him up to it when his value must be as low as it could possibly be. Absolutely the worst thing about this deal is I have a distinct feeling we are bidding against ourselves, too: what other club would come in with close to a million a year for four more years of this guy at this point?

In case you think I'm being a hater, I should say I like the Farah re-signing because at least he's a player who has some chance of still being good (though probably not elite) into his 30s. I don't know what they're paying Pat Richards so I'll let that go too, though if there's serious money going to a 32 year old winger with a lot of miles on the clock it's difficult to see a positive outcome. I didn't hate the decisions to let Heighington and Ryan go, and Gibbs was lucky to get away relatively injury-free last year so I think that was ok business on balance of probabilities. As for Fifita, I guess that might be a Sheens issue so at least it gets a pass. But the point is we haven't made a good marquee signing since Ellis and we continually re-sign players who aren't going to justify what they're getting.

The point is that it is going to be virtually impossible to put together a winning side over the next few years when so much money is going on old or bad 'stars', especially when we get to the point where we have to start paying Woods, Tedesco etc serious coin. You win in this comp by getting value across the board for what you're spending: if you're paying someone to be a star they'd better deliver. The Tigers clearly haven't been getting that - and there are contracts on the books now that will continue to fail to deliver that value. Even if our juniors are as good as we hope they will only have a tiny window to win before we have to start letting most of them go because we can't afford to up their money as so much is going to dead wood.
 
Lawrence should be on that retained player list. It is all but insane to hand a long contract to someone coming back from that serious an injury.
 
@Black'n'White said:
Lawrence should be on that retained player list. It is all but insane to hand a long contract to someone coming back from that serious an injury.

Memory is fallible but I'm fairly certain I recall discussing Lawrence's new deal with a mate on the interminable train ride down to Ctown for the Raiders game in which he bust his leg. If I'm wrong then sure, score that up as another error. If I'm right it can only really be called bad luck.
 
Damn… you are correct he signed in 2011 on a 5 yr contract!

5 yrs, thats a crazy length to sign someone straight up... we need to shoot whoever the genius behind these contracts.
 
Agreed, BnW, I don't think any player is worth signing up on a 5 year. Even someone like Farah, we have no idea what happens between now and then.
 
Is McDonnell behind these signings and re-signings though? Sheens struck me as a man who would have done all his own hiring and firing.

I would have thought McDonnell spent more time on promoting juniors and attracting talented juniors from other clubs than chasing the "big fish."
 
@kh_canada said:
Agreed, BnW, I don't think any player is worth signing up on a 5 year. Even someone like Farah, we have no idea what happens between now and then.

I know this is a big IF ,but If he wasn't hurt we would be lauding him as the best centre since Gasnier

At the time , few would of argued signing him to a 5 year contract
 
@happy tiger said:
@kh_canada said:
Agreed, BnW, I don't think any player is worth signing up on a 5 year. Even someone like Farah, we have no idea what happens between now and then.

I know this is a big IF ,but If he wasn't hurt we would be lauding him as the best centre since Gasnier

At the time , few would of argued signing him to a 5 year contract

No, I completely agree he could have been one of the best if it wasn't for that injury.

IMO I just think 5 years is too many. Sign anyone on a 3-year and you have the possibility to extend it. But if you have a circumstance like Rowdy and he can't find any form of pre-injury then you're stuck.
 
but all kinds of options can be written into contracts… there is no need to put 5 yrs straight onto the table. It is really quite stupid for both parties.
 
@Black'n'White said:
but all kinds of options can be written into contracts… there is no need to put 5 yrs straight onto the table. It is really quite stupid for both parties.

But thats the quandry BnW , some clubs like Parra ,Penrith even Souths at that particular stage would offer 5 year deals to someone who was on the verge of something special like Lawrence was
 
Correct me if I am wrong but to my knowledge Lote Toquiri won't ever be playing for the Wests tigers again. If that is so why and who much is he still being paid by Wests Tigers? If say he leaves the Tigers this month would that free up some money to buy a much needed player?

As a Wests Tigers fan I really fear that some financial skulduggery is going on behind the scenes with Wests Tigers which the club does not want to release.
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
Is McDonnell behind these signings and re-signings though? Sheens struck me as a man who would have done all his own hiring and firing.

I would have thought McDonnell spent more time on promoting juniors and attracting talented juniors from other clubs than chasing the "big fish."

I would think you CB are right and in that case we have Warren to thank. The 20s won the competition last season and there are are always good juniors coming through.

Anyone who thinks Warren McDonnell recruited Blair and Anasta to the club has rocks in their heads. That is the coach and maybe the CEO/board.

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@2041 said:
I'm starting to find it genuinely baffling that Warren McDonald still has his job. The way the Tigers have gone about signing and re-signing players is looking likely to keep us rooted in the bottom six for the next three years - and longer if the same people are allowed to keep making the decisions.

Has baffled me for years.. always goes under the radar I am glad Richards said he was phoned by Ronald..otherwise others on here would have continued with their…"he doesn't really do recruitment"

His comment to Mosese Fotuaika's mother two weeks before he died also shows what sort of character this guy is..not really someone you want mixing with your youngsters.
 
Poor recruitment in the past have bought about problems today.Lets no make today's recruitment decisions our problem in the future.We need somebody in recruitment that looks at today's team and looks at talent and recognizes what we need for next year and behinds team. The way they are recruiting just does not make sence.
 
Forget recruitment at present,our greatest stumbling block is the way the team is set up.Farah playing as the 9,6 and 7 all rolled into one and Benji having a free hand to come and go and make it up as he goes along just is not working anymore.Souths play a very simple structured game plan and that is what we have to do.Farah plays no9,Benji plays no6 and who ever gets the no7 is allowed to play the normal role of a no7.At present they are a rabble,go back to the way they were all coached to play and not some crazy hybrid game Sheens invented
 
I know you will all laugh at this I would put blair in the front row play him 20 minutes each half bring some of the young 2nd rowers in. blair is a 40 minute footballer at best maybe we can get some thing from him
 
@supercoach said:
Forget recruitment at present,our greatest stumbling block is the way the team is set up.Farah playing as the 9,6 and 7 all rolled into one and Benji having a free hand to come and go and make it up as he goes along just is not working anymore.Souths play a very simple structured game plan and that is what we have to do.Farah plays no9,Benji plays no6 and who ever gets the no7 is allowed to play the normal role of a no7.At present they are a rabble,go back to the way they were all coached to play and not some crazy hybrid game Sheens invented

We do have a new coach who has replaced Sheens. We are now 9 weeks into the season. Surely you would have expected the new coach to have wielded his influence with regards to how Benji and Farah must play to his game plan by now?
 
@spearby said:
I know you will all laugh at this I would put blair in the front row play him 20 minutes each half bring some of the young 2nd rowers in. blair is a 40 minute footballer at best maybe we can get some thing from him

Yeah agree with 40 minute player at best don't know about front row???. The problem is he reportedly gets paid like some of the superstars of the game. Plane and simple not fair.Recruitment should never of paid a forward big bucks on a longterm contract.His just milking it for what's it's worth( Blair).You might if your lucky see him put some effort in,in 2015 the year his contract expires…Recruitment you got it wrong AGAIN 😢
 

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