Free to walk

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This man is free to walk. Bail. If there are any lawyers of sorts on this forum or even law geeks please explain this one. Much obliged. His name is Robert Xie.
 
@GoldXR50Leroy said:
Unfortunately innocent until Proved guilty, I understand there was a Huuuge surety paid for him to get bail.

For offences of this nature there would have been MASSIVE surety involved to let this guy out in public.
 
The other day it was mentioned that a relative of his was going to put up $200k for him to get out on bail.
He'd have to have some very strict bail conditions you would think.
 
I only heard this being discussed briefly but my understanding is this.

The case pretty much relies on one piece of evidence - blood found somewhere. There is some conjecture about whether it actually is blood and if it isn't blood the case falls apart. I believe that's the reason the judge gave.
 
@Yossarian said:
I only heard this being discussed briefly but my understanding is this.

The case pretty much relies on one piece of evidence - blood found somewhere. There is some conjecture about whether it actually is blood and if it isn't blood the case falls apart. I believe that's the reason the judge gave.

I wasn't listening properly the other day when they were discussing this case on the news but they said, that they have found some blood from some of the victims (four? of the five ) in his garage.
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With the state having to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant committed murder, how many of the twelve jurors does the crown have to convince to get a conviction?
 
@weststigers4life said:
@Yossarian said:
I only heard this being discussed briefly but my understanding is this.

The case pretty much relies on one piece of evidence - blood found somewhere. There is some conjecture about whether it actually is blood and if it isn't blood the case falls apart. I believe that's the reason the judge gave.

I wasn't listening properly the other day when they were discussing this case on the news but they said, that they have found some blood from some of the victims (four? of the five ) in his garage.
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With the state having to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant committed murder, how many of the twelve jurors does the crown have to convince to get a conviction?

11 out of 12 or 10 out of 11.
You're probably right re the blood. I haven't been following the latest developments that closely.
 
Yeah I thought it would of been around those numbers Yoss for the crown to get a guilty conviction. I'm only going off what i remember hearing on the news yesterday but there must be some doubts on the validity of this evidence for the judge to grant him bail today. Whilst it's circumstantial evidence, it's pretty damning if in fact there proves to have been some of the victims blood found in his garage.
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http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/police-fear-lin-murder-accused-will-flee-20121221-2bqy6.html

Police fear the man accused of killing five members of the Lin family will flee to China, where he has significant financial and family connections, if he is granted bail, a court has heard.

The Director of Public Prosecutions is appealing Magistrate John Andrews’ decision to grant bail to Lian Bin ‘‘Robert’’ Xie, who he committed to stand trial over the alleged murders.

In the Central Local Court on Thursday, Mr Andrews said the Crown case against Xie had been weakened ‘‘substantially’’ in DNA evidence about a spot of blood found on Xie’s garage floor, heard during the committal proceedings.

"In my view, the case falls well short of being a strong Crown case,’’ Mr Andrews said.
But Senior Crown Prosecutor Mark Tedeschi QC, for the DPP, told the bail appeal hearing in the Supreme Court of NSW on Friday Mr Andrews’ conclusion about the case was wrong.

‘‘If your honour considers all the DNA evidence … the only real conclusion is that there are, deposited on the accused’s floor, the blood of at least four of these victims including at least one of the females,’’ Mr Tedeschi told Justice Stephen Rothman.

‘‘The learned magistrate’s conclusion about the strength of the crown case was based on two incorrect conclusions about the DNA evidence.’’

Mr Tedeschi said there was evidence of large sums of money in China, possibly managed by Xie and his sister.

‘‘The significance of that is the sister has offered $200,000 of her own money.

‘‘We submit that is a hollow offer when she has control of large sums of money that belong to him or them both.

‘‘If he fled ... she would be able to reimburse herself from those sums of money.’’

The officer in charge of the investigation, Detective Sergeant Joseph Maree, said there was evidence Xie had financial dealings in China.

‘‘It’s my belief that if he did decide to leave this jurisdiction, he could do so quite easily and he’d be able to use those connections in China,’’ he said.

Mr Tedeschi said much of Xie’s family was in China, strengthening that connection.

He said that Justice Derek Price had refused Xie’s application for bail in April.

‘‘Since then the only real change is the accused is now much more a risk of a conviction of these five murders than he was at that time because he’s since been committed for trial.’’

Justice Rothman reserved his decision on bail until Monday.

Xie, 48, is charged with murdering his brother-in-law, Min ‘‘Norman’’ Lin, 45, Mr Lin’s wife, Yun Li ‘‘Lily’’ Lin, 43, her sister, Yun Bin ‘‘Irene’’ Yin, 39, and two boys, aged nine and 12, who cannot be named for legal reasons.

Their bodies were found in a North Epping house, in Sydney’s northwest, on July 18, 2009.
 
Isn't his wife the carer for the Lin's daughter? How does his release affect her? That is the issue that concerns me.
 

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