Great article re Roosters Salary Cap

[crazycat]

@Don_Kershane No no no.
Think differently.

Ok you are accused of roarting the cap. When suddenly you keep your two best juniors... If they kept Matterson and hired Brett Morris you would have everyone screaming.

People were not screaming because they shed some players. Heck they shed'd Pearce, SKD, Aiden Gurera (whatever his name is), etc. the year before. They also had great timing on those players, the guys they kept like Mitch Aubusson are still fighting fit (bar GF day, but they ticked on all year). I think the only player they could have passed on was Jake Friend.

 

[crazycat]

Ok while we moan at the Roosters cap situation I have to do a C'mon.
Brett and Josh Morris were free agents, so we hire Mbye. We have seen both Morris's perform at career best this year, Mbye has performed better then expected but.... Still a lot of average for a very high price.

Then we make mr 750K captain.

Does anyone else wonder why we couldn't hire DWZ? Why don't we just hire Unkle Nick's accountant. They seem to be able to recruit better then anyone else in league.

 

[Madgic]

@Tiger2135 It's inevitable that Sydney will stop producing enough talent. Athletes are raised on grass and in sunshine and fresh air, NOT in high rise apartments or in their shadows. There is a swing away from big cities and to the country. Where we live (near Yass, NSW) we are surrounded by tree changers from Sydney who commute to Canberra for public service salaries. Kids who breathe fresh air have a big advantage over those raised on diesel fumes. The Roosters may continue as they are for quite a while but the decline of Sydney clubs is inevitable.

 

[diedpretty]

The NRL won’t be around in 15 years as a major competition. It won’t last it’s the most imbalanced competition that has a salary cap I can think of in terms of talent distribution.

I agreed with you until this part. EPL and NFL have a salary cap technically and they aren't balanced at all.

AFL isnt balanced, you have the same super clubs around the top.

If St George winning 11 straight didn't kill rugby league, a few years of Roosters will not.


AFL have had four different clubs win the GF in the past 5 years. They have clubs who are strong for four years than dip, like Hawthorn and Brisbane. In the NRL we have the Chooks and Storm every year

roosters have been strong, but as well as having more premierships than us, they also have won the wooden spoon more times than us in our merged history.....


They have never won the wooden spoon under Politis' watch. If i am correct the Roosters most recent wooden was around 1967 when I think they failed to win a match all season.

2009 the last time and 1966 the time before that.

His company has sponsored Easts ( Roosters ) since 1976.

Politis has been chairman since 1993.

1st club to actually have sponsorship listed on their jerseys from memory as well

Yep, and even that sponsorship was Politis with his car dealership City Ford.

Yep correct and he did it for no other reason than money. That's what the guy lives for. He is extremely smart business wise and well connected in more than just business circles. Proving that he is the one behind setting up all these "independent" TPAs is impossible to prove and he knows it. Absolute stain on the game.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Not sure of the point you are making. Perhaps you are being ironic ?

Sarcastic yes, to an earlier point being made that V'Landys and Politis are originally from the same Greek island, therefore would be pals or in cahoots or some such.

Your points here are valid enough - that V'Landys will probably not go after Roosters any more than anyone else at the NRL can, because there is a reason why the Roosters are getting away with it year on year.

And it's not just power-broking; I don't truly believe that anyone at the NRL wants an ongoing Roosters dynasty, because it turns fans away, but simply because nobody has found a way to catch the Roosters or find a whistle-blower.

HOWEVER, it does appear that clubs rorting the cap are eventually caught, through some slip up or slip of the tongue. Just a matter of time when rorting occurs at an organisational level.

That's the long and short of it. Just like all the other concerted efforts to cap rort, it has relied on someone on the inside blowing it up. Until that person comes along, the Chooks are safe I'd wager.

 

[fibrodreaming]

I just hate how has the comp been reduced to a two-horse race where the fabric of the successes of those teams, are not only at the the detriment of the other clubs but is restrictive to the overall growth and evolution of the game.

I agree. It seems to me that the game will stagnate if the continually successful teams going forward are the Storm, Easts, Brisbane and Souths. Their continued success will bring no more fans to the game - they have maxed out their market. To grow the game in terms of crowds and TV ratings we need a new team in SE QLD and we need to see clubs like Parra; WT and the Dogs successful on an ongoing basis.

With regards to Easts, for a club that has been so successful, they have remarkably few supporters. Apart from having no fans, they have no juniors and are a parasite on the game (you can probably tell that I hate Easts).

The NRL is in a rut at the moment and the manner of Easts win the other night simply adds to the fishy smell about the way the game is currently managed. I don't necessarily believe that the NRL / Easts / the officials, are corrupt but that perception is gaining ground and statements from NRL HQ that "all is well, trust us", simply doesn't cut it. They don't cut it because, actually, supporters generally don't "trust" NRL officials.

For a start, there needs to be more transparency around the salary cap. Few people believe that Easts are cap compliant. There needs to be full disclosure on this, not just for Easts, but for all teams.

 

[Lauren]

Thanks @fibrodreaming
I tend to agree with you re: Easts/NRL and the officials.....

I was too young to understand the impact of the whole Super League v ARL, but remember a more wholesome feel to the game.
Traditionally, all teams had ebbs and flows - and their junior development systems were more clearcut - but most importantly the "ARL or NRL brand" outrightly held the interests of the fans first.

I don't think lack of vision alone is the issue either and agree the NRL competition isn't really progressing Maybe it does simply a need restructure.
Though I suppose there has been a real improvement for Rugby League with the growth of the International game.

Cheers for that.

 

[JD Tiger]

@Lauren Tigers hasn't made the finals now for eight years? Since 2011, well Balmain made it in 1990, then not again until Wests Tigers did in 2005. I doubt Wests were more successful in the 90s, did they make it that decade? I seem to remember them coming fifth one year in the early 90s?

Anyway, my point is, after the 80s, Balmain, Wests and Wests Tigers have been mostly pretty poor. We had one incredible year (2005), two very good years (2010,2011) but that's it in the last three decades.

 

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[The_Patriot]

I could care less for the salary cap talk. What the Roosters do well is release players who are not great value to the club. They dont pay overs for bit players. They then identity and recruit who add to the style of play and culture they are trying to achieve.

Its them and the Storm who lead this league in clever recruitment and retention.

 

[Geo]

I could care less for the salary cap talk. What the Roosters do well is release players who are not great value to the club. They dont pay overs for bit players. They then identity and recruit who add to the style of play and culture they are trying to achieve.

Its them and the Storm who lead this league in clever recruitment and retention.

Yep...

 

[WT2K]

I could care less for the salary cap talk. What the Roosters do well is release players who are not great value to the club. They dont pay overs for bit players. They then identity and recruit who add to the style of play and culture they are trying to achieve.

Its them and the Storm who lead this league in clever recruitment and retention.

Bingo

 

[tony soprano]

I could care less for the salary cap talk. What the Roosters do well is release players who are not great value to the club. They dont pay overs for bit players. They then identity and recruit who add to the style of play and culture they are trying to achieve.

Its them and the Storm who lead this league in clever recruitment and retention.

Bingo

They’ve also figured out how to get the best players in each respective position which is what the cap tries to prevent.

 

[Fitzy05]

@tony-soprano yes. Somehow they always have strength in every position and exceptional strength (marquees) in the most important positions. If they release a player it's because they have a better player coming in. Every club tries to do this however, they generally miss out.

 

[jirskyr]

I could care less for the salary cap talk. What the Roosters do well is release players who are not great value to the club. They dont pay overs for bit players. They then identity and recruit who add to the style of play and culture they are trying to achieve.

Its them and the Storm who lead this league in clever recruitment and retention.

You can afford to dismiss "bit players" when you have 3 or 4 million-dollar players on your roster.

Ryan Matterson in 2019 was clearly as good as any forward that the Roosters kept on, yet Roosters could afford to let him move on.

It's the same with the Storm, but at least I'll grant that the Storm put their own resources in those key positions, rather than raiding other clubs.

When you have Tedesco-Keary-Cronk-Friend and Hughes-Munster-Croft-Smith as your spines, plus JWH-Taukeiaho and Bromwich-NAS as your prop combos, you can afford to be picky with the "bit players".

Also the bit players are potentially happy to play for less money but in a team full of elite players. Imagine the difference in the output being asked of, say, Zane Tetevano vs Alex Twal.

 

[upper-d]

@Tiger2135 It's inevitable that Sydney will stop producing enough talent. Athletes are raised on grass and in sunshine and fresh air, NOT in high rise apartments or in their shadows. There is a swing away from big cities and to the country. Where we live (near Yass, NSW) we are surrounded by tree changers from Sydney who commute to Canberra for public service salaries. Kids who breathe fresh air have a big advantage over those raised on diesel fumes. The Roosters may continue as they are for quite a while but the decline of Sydney clubs is inevitable.

@Madgic
I agree its better for your general health to live away from the city, but to say a kid being raised in a high rise apartment can't become a professional athlete is ridiculous. How many sports and athletic high schools exist near Yass? How many purpose built, million dollar facilities with thousands of highly trained, professional athletic staff teaching kids the most effective training methods do they have there? Kids in the city have access to all of this, so if anyone is disadvantaged its the kids out in the country.

Yass is a great part of the world, but eventually kids from there with aspirations to become professional athletes will eventually need to move in with a diesel heaving city kid - and the younger they are when they move, the better.

 

[Madgic]

@Lauren They have almost no grassroots support, just a few who go with last year's winners and a lot of those who believe in "tradition" - whatever that is.

 

[Madgic]

@upper-d There are a heap of sports dedicated high schools and colleges near Yass, 45 km away in Canberra. AND a heap of buses that ferry them in every morning.

 

[Fitzy05]