How to wreck a team in 18 months

[WestsSupporter]

The same Sheens that spent 5 months in the off season getting a combination in the halves with benji and Moltz etc. then after one game send Moltz to halfback and put a second rower in?

yeah this has always been a mystery to me. there were other players that could have gone fullback after Ted's injury

 

[rollingstone]

The author of this article is an idiot. ???

Remember, Willow, personal insults will not be tolerated!

Personal insult or not,
The author of article is still an idiot, he has no idea !

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It's just a tongue in cheek comment referring to one of my posts being deleted for an alleged personal insult which, in fact, was a comment on an insult directed at me! I think Willow understands the irony of the situation. Glass houses and all that.

Re the OP, I couldn't be bothered reading past the first couple of sentences; if I want a book, I'll buy one.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

TLDR

 

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For some teams a "re-building phase" can be a pretty seamless exercise, WT couldn't have turned ours into more of a train-wreck if they had tried. Pitiful stuff.

 

[jctiger]

The author of this article is an idiot. ???

Remember, Willow, personal insults will not be tolerated!

Personal insult or not,
The author of article is still an idiot, he has no idea !

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It's just a tongue in cheek comment referring to one of my posts being deleted for an alleged personal insult which, in fact, was a comment on an insult directed at me! I think Willow understands the irony of the situation. Glass houses and all that.

Re the OP, I couldn't be bothered reading past the first couple of sentences; if I want a book, I'll buy one.

Sorry Rollingstone,
I sort of figured it was tongue in cheek.
I probably picked the wrong quote to copy.
Was just reinforcing that the author was total idiot with nothing to say

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[LaT]

Author should go into comedy.

 

[Flippedy]

What a complete load of twaddle, written by a person who really has no idea about the workings of this club.

 

[Gold_Coast_Tiges]

It's obvious that you have'nt seen many Tigers games over the years,.
Yes the "smart snappy attack was great to watch,
But it was only highly successful in the back end of the 2005 season,and in the back end of ,I think it was,the 2010 season, along with parts of other sporadic games from 2005.
Mostly it was trying to claw back some horrendous lead that our tissue thin defence, (or our missed line kicks, passes to no -one, failed chip kicks near our own line etc. ), had allowed to be run over and through us ,or around us, in the earlier parts of games. Remember that we had 50 points pasted on us only a few weeks before that G\F.

Yes ,it was exciting to watch it when it came off, but that was happening less and less over the last few years.
Other teams knew that our defence was ,and is still soft(except for the occasional game when we do lift ,) ,and have known that for years . which is why we always have trouble against teams with huge packs.
Sheens and the board were completely unsuccessful in recruiting or developing some forwards that could handle that sort of opposition packs.
I'm not saying that all our forwards were hopeless, Robbie , Simon Dywer,and LiamFulton have played their butts off for the club with little support at times, but Ellis was the ONLY top class forward brought into the club since 2005,until last year when we bought Blair.
I dont think we can be critical of any one for buying him ,as at that time he probably was worth that kind of money, however, he should have been dropped by Sheens as he was only taking up space on the field for most of the times that Sheens was coaching . Potter has to at least, be given credit for the improvement in Blairs game since being shifted to Prop . He went backwards at a rate of knots under Sheens. While still not worth the money we pay him, he is at least putting in an effort.
Potter also dropped Marshall,something that should have happened under Sheens on more than one occasion.
I have been one of Benjii's biggest fans, and will always be grateful that I saw him at his best over the years ,and have a lot of respect for the way that he has fought back from bad injuries . Unfortunately Sheens let him get away with letting him run his own race all the time and never was able to instill any sense of when to try the Hail Mary shots, and when to work into a position,
Had he been dropped a few times earlier he might have woken up to the fact that there was a time for him to use his flair and a time to play percentage football. He still hasn't learnt that!!!!
This year he's had minimal involvement in most games. And put bluntly,is not worth what we have to pay him to be here let alone increase his contract
As I live in Qld, I have only seen him live in the Bronco's and the Titan's game . In both games , Potter should have fitted Benjii's jumper on one of the corner posts, as it would have been more involved in the game than it was with Benjii wearing it.
He has to go NOW. Not wait till the end of the season He is doing nothing!!!!

The only one of the players that we lost this year that i was genuinely sorry to see go ,was Beau Ryan .He'd developed into a really good winger over the last two years and yes, Sheens should get some credit for that.The others have been good for the club in the past , but I don't see them as a great loss .
Fifita was a different case , and as I dont know all the reasons behind that I cant comment, but I will say that if it was a discipline thing , then maybe there was no option at the time . He was a kid with attitude Or so I believe and we have seen the results of that with Ferguson and Dugan this year, Wish we had him back though.

Our young wingers have at least covered the hole left by Ryan leaving, but only time will tell if Brooks & Moses are yet up to it , and the jury is still out on Tedesco. Some of our young forwards are starting to repay Potters faith in him. I haven't seen much of Brooks until the second half of Sundays'game and his defence was a bit ordinary, falling off or missing quite a lot of tackles, but he did go ok in attack. Moses ,I thought went well, I but it's unfair to judge them on half a game anyway.
It will be rocks and diamonds (such as last Sunday) with them for a while as (like the Panthers kids)They get used to the pressure of First Grade week in week out .It,s a hell of a jump up.
While none of us want to see the club going the way it is at the moment, I think we will come out of it a lot better.
Potter needs at least a full season, with things being done his way ,with his people around , and total support from the Club, Making any judgement on his coaching at this moment is being pretty harsh , with all the distractions that have been happening.
The Benjii thing was always going to happen no matter who came in to Coach , and Sheens had to go as he was'nt prepared to make the hard decisions and drop those that needed to be dropped among other things.

So NO…......, the club is not "wrecked " and wont be. It is rebuilding.
That Started with sacking Sheens , Signing Grant Mayer, Marshall leaving , Signing our promising Juniors ,and getting in some new players next year . Hopefully it will be a lot stronger than it was. As long as we as supporters start to give these young players and the Coach our support and don't start bagging them without giving a chance to settle into First Grade
If we are expecting Top Four in 20013 We're dreaming.......As long we see improvement and just as important, commitment from the the whole club , we will be on the way back.

 

[system]

From the Roar

By M_Campbell23, 3 Aug 2013 M_Campbell23 is a Roar Guru

I’m sitting here watching the Tigers play Manly, and I’m wondering how this vibrant club has been dismantled so dismally.
If I was a Tigers fan, my hairline would have gone from recession to full blown emergency retreat many months ago. This club is a shambles, lurching from disaster to disaster as the brains trust in the suits steer the club off the road.
It started last year with the decision to start cutting players. This was a club who had finished fourth the previous season, and were experiencing an injury that which was holding them back in the present season.
It was a not club in need of a clean out. Yet a clean out they got.
Chris Heighington, Andrew Fifita and Beau Ryan were forced out to accommodate signing of the milennium Adam Blair. Hasn’t that gone well?
Ryan is still doing a reliable job on the wing, Heighington is scrapping and fighting and tackling and generally keeping things tight in the middle of the park, and Fifita is playing like Optimus Prime.
The decision to cut him loose is most damning obviously. Here we have a bloke who was forced out by the Tigers, and yet this year was picked by popular demand for New South Wales.
But don’t worry, Heighington is a big loss too. The Tigers side this season has so lacked starch and resolution in the middle, a fellow who hurls himself about, makes plenty of tackles and carts it up strongly might have been a tiny bit useful.
Don’t forget Bryce Gibbs either; his sturdy and uncomplicated front row play would have been helpful this season and last. Instead the Tigers recruiting gurus have served up Eddy Pettybourne, Braith Anasta and Bodene Thompson. Oh, and Adam Blair.
A lot of that lack of application might be traced to the coach and the morale he has created, which brings me to the sacking of Tim Sheens. Only one coach has won more premiership games than Sheens, and that’s Wayne Bennett.
When he took over in 2003, the merger club had never made the finals. Within a couple of years, they were a side full of flair, regularly creating excitement and occasionally eliciting pure joy.
In his third season they were premiers. Prior to Sheens taking over they averaged between nine and 12,000 people to every game. From his second season on they never got below 16,000\. He took them to the finals three times in ten seasons.
This may sound less than impressive, but you have to look beyond the stats a little bit in this regard. Of the sixteen sides in the NRL, most of them play the same way.
Up the middle, up the middle, dummy half, spread, kick to the corner. It’s safe, and it’ll get you to the finals every other year.
Sheens’ Tigers defied all that. They made the finals less often than many others, but were far better placed to do something when they did get there. What’s the point of playing a generic style, coming seventh and going out in week one or two of the finals?
The decision to sack him and replace him with Mick Potter is showing itself now to be absurd. The colour of movement of last season still flares occasionally, but there is a lot of sludge in between.
That sharp, snapping attack which typified Sheens’ team, with Farah and the fullback acting as auxiliary halfbacks, was replaced by a sort of dottering, confused strolling around.
Potter cannot take all the blame, he has inherited a patchwork quilt side who are used to a certain pattern. However the team, and at times the coach himself, has shown a worrying lack of self belief this season.
Think the 54-10 routing by Souths.
The side also lack organisation. Sheens’ team was unpredictable, but they had structure and every player knew what they were doing. In the present side there are often forwards in the way, passes going to ground and plays executed without precision or clarity.
This was regularly on show against Manly last night.
It’s not just the players and the coach. There’s also the shameful attempt by the Tigers’ board, in collusion with the State Government and the NRL, to get rid of Leichhardt Oval as an NRL venue.
This is one of the great examples of the suits who run sport not understanding it. If the facilities at Lechhardt Oval are so poor, why do the fans keep turning up?
I live in the Hunter Valley and don’t follow the Tigers, but twice this year I’ve driven two hours down to Sydney, once in peak hour traffic, just to experience rugby league as it should be.
I would never have travelled all that way to see the Tigers play Parramatta at the SFS, I can assure you.
Yet they want it gone. The administrators and legislators’ dream of playing all Sydney matches at Homebush and the SFS means that Leichhardt is fighting for its existence beyond this season.
They fail to recognise that Leichhardt Oval makes the Tigers unique to every other club in the competition. It is the reason people like myself will drive for hours to see a game between teams they don’t even follow.
At the risk of sounding like a tin hat conspiracy theorist, my suspicion is that the NRL and the Tigers have deliberately scheduled less desirable games for Leichhardt this year (Parramatta, North Queensland, Melbourne and the Warriors, all at night time), to weaken the argument that the fans love Leichhardt.
If this has been their intention, it has succeeded, the crowds at the spiritual home have been well down this year, although the weather has played a part in that.
The Benji Marshall saga is another example of the pigheaded groupthink lunacy which has infected the club, and turned it from a team full of character and vibrance to an also-ran.
Benji Marshall is the other thing that makes them unique. The reasons for his departure are cloudy, but it is clear that it has not been of his making alone.
From a side which finished in the top four two years in a row, the Tigers have been completely dismantled by people in suits.
As someone who has enjoyed their style over the past ten years, it is frustrating. For their fans it must be frustrating beyond words.

The most accurate and succinct summation of the Tiger I have read. Interesting how we are seen from the outside. Sadly no one on here understands the concept of playing entertaining football and what it is to enjoy the spectacle. Winning at all costs seems to be the order of the day. Well you may all get your wishes as the club lurches forward to become another of the same old bash and barge teams.

Personally I'd take the last 15 years over what is coming anytime.

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[Furious1]

From the Roar

By M_Campbell23, 3 Aug 2013 M_Campbell23 is a Roar Guru

I’m sitting here watching the Tigers play Manly, and I’m wondering how this vibrant club has been dismantled so dismally.
If I was a Tigers fan, my hairline would have gone from recession to full blown emergency retreat many months ago. This club is a shambles, lurching from disaster to disaster as the brains trust in the suits steer the club off the road.
It started last year with the decision to start cutting players. This was a club who had finished fourth the previous season, and were experiencing an injury that which was holding them back in the present season.
It was a not club in need of a clean out. Yet a clean out they got.
Chris Heighington, Andrew Fifita and Beau Ryan were forced out to accommodate signing of the milennium Adam Blair. Hasn’t that gone well?
Ryan is still doing a reliable job on the wing, Heighington is scrapping and fighting and tackling and generally keeping things tight in the middle of the park, and Fifita is playing like Optimus Prime.
The decision to cut him loose is most damning obviously. Here we have a bloke who was forced out by the Tigers, and yet this year was picked by popular demand for New South Wales.
But don’t worry, Heighington is a big loss too. The Tigers side this season has so lacked starch and resolution in the middle, a fellow who hurls himself about, makes plenty of tackles and carts it up strongly might have been a tiny bit useful.
Don’t forget Bryce Gibbs either; his sturdy and uncomplicated front row play would have been helpful this season and last. Instead the Tigers recruiting gurus have served up Eddy Pettybourne, Braith Anasta and Bodene Thompson. Oh, and Adam Blair.
A lot of that lack of application might be traced to the coach and the morale he has created, which brings me to the sacking of Tim Sheens. Only one coach has won more premiership games than Sheens, and that’s Wayne Bennett.
When he took over in 2003, the merger club had never made the finals. Within a couple of years, they were a side full of flair, regularly creating excitement and occasionally eliciting pure joy.
In his third season they were premiers. Prior to Sheens taking over they averaged between nine and 12,000 people to every game. From his second season on they never got below 16,000\. He took them to the finals three times in ten seasons.
This may sound less than impressive, but you have to look beyond the stats a little bit in this regard. Of the sixteen sides in the NRL, most of them play the same way.
Up the middle, up the middle, dummy half, spread, kick to the corner. It’s safe, and it’ll get you to the finals every other year.
Sheens’ Tigers defied all that. They made the finals less often than many others, but were far better placed to do something when they did get there. What’s the point of playing a generic style, coming seventh and going out in week one or two of the finals?
The decision to sack him and replace him with Mick Potter is showing itself now to be absurd. The colour of movement of last season still flares occasionally, but there is a lot of sludge in between.
That sharp, snapping attack which typified Sheens’ team, with Farah and the fullback acting as auxiliary halfbacks, was replaced by a sort of dottering, confused strolling around.
Potter cannot take all the blame, he has inherited a patchwork quilt side who are used to a certain pattern. However the team, and at times the coach himself, has shown a worrying lack of self belief this season.
Think the 54-10 routing by Souths.
The side also lack organisation. Sheens’ team was unpredictable, but they had structure and every player knew what they were doing. In the present side there are often forwards in the way, passes going to ground and plays executed without precision or clarity.
This was regularly on show against Manly last night.
It’s not just the players and the coach. There’s also the shameful attempt by the Tigers’ board, in collusion with the State Government and the NRL, to get rid of Leichhardt Oval as an NRL venue.
This is one of the great examples of the suits who run sport not understanding it. If the facilities at Lechhardt Oval are so poor, why do the fans keep turning up?
I live in the Hunter Valley and don’t follow the Tigers, but twice this year I’ve driven two hours down to Sydney, once in peak hour traffic, just to experience rugby league as it should be.
I would never have travelled all that way to see the Tigers play Parramatta at the SFS, I can assure you.
Yet they want it gone. The administrators and legislators’ dream of playing all Sydney matches at Homebush and the SFS means that Leichhardt is fighting for its existence beyond this season.
They fail to recognise that Leichhardt Oval makes the Tigers unique to every other club in the competition. It is the reason people like myself will drive for hours to see a game between teams they don’t even follow.
At the risk of sounding like a tin hat conspiracy theorist, my suspicion is that the NRL and the Tigers have deliberately scheduled less desirable games for Leichhardt this year (Parramatta, North Queensland, Melbourne and the Warriors, all at night time), to weaken the argument that the fans love Leichhardt.
If this has been their intention, it has succeeded, the crowds at the spiritual home have been well down this year, although the weather has played a part in that.
The Benji Marshall saga is another example of the pigheaded groupthink lunacy which has infected the club, and turned it from a team full of character and vibrance to an also-ran.
Benji Marshall is the other thing that makes them unique. The reasons for his departure are cloudy, but it is clear that it has not been of his making alone.
From a side which finished in the top four two years in a row, the Tigers have been completely dismantled by people in suits.
As someone who has enjoyed their style over the past ten years, it is frustrating. For their fans it must be frustrating beyond words.

The most accurate and succinct summation of the Tiger I have read. Interesting how we are seen from the outside. Sadly no one on here understands the concept of playing entertaining football and what it is to enjoy the spectacle. Winning at all costs seems to be the order of the day. Well you may all get your wishes as the club lurches forward to become another of the same old bash and barge teams.

Personally I'd take the last 15 years over what is coming anytime.

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So you don't like winning premierships then?

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