I dont like Matthew Johns but

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in our case i think he has nailed it. Kudos (whatever that means) to him, i respect him a little today
Things have to change starting tonight if we are real premiership contenders. We have the team ….......

Matthew Johns everyone -

THE Wests Tigers have got a problem. It's themselves.
They are a side which gets bored playing winning football. Don't get me wrong, the Tigers don't get bored winning, who does?

No, they get bored playing a tough, gritty style of football which not only wins football games, but wins titles.

What is winning football?

Well, I don't want to bore you with talk of completion rates, the ability to control rucks and similar coaching soundbytes which are far too commonplace these days and give little insight into the game or the men who play it.

Winning football is about attitude and discipline. Winning football is when a side is willing to pour more energy into its defence than its attack.

is fun, defence is what you are paid to do.

Winning football is when you put your head where others won't dangle their feet, just to come up with that vital loose ball.

Winning football is when you run to the stats sheet to check tackles missed, rather than tries scored.

The Tigers are blessed. They have more attacking weaponry than any other side in the competition. I suppose that's part of the problem. They seem to judge themselves on what they can do with the ball, not what they can do without it.

Coaching godfather Warren Ryan defined winning football at the Bulldogs. Yes it was a long time ago, in the '80s in fact, but the principles stand the test of time. Ryan's "dogs of war" were tough, mean-spirited and prided themselves on dismantling opposition sides with physical, mental and verbal intimidation.

All good things stemmed from defence.

When Ryan came to the Knights in the '90s, he recognised in us a side capable of winning the premiership, but for one chink. We found winning football boring. He warned us that winning football was a discipline which needed much practice.

Often we would skip ahead by 20 points and spend the last 15 minutes of the contest entertaining the grandstand with flicks and tricks. We'd return to the sheds at fulltime to see Warren, head in hands. He saw what was coming.

Skip ahead to the grand final qualifier in season 2000\. We led the Roosters 16-2 at half-time and the mood in the shed suggested we were about to rattle up a cricket score. Ryan's half-time speech was simple "kick long, chase hard, defend like underdogs". That was winning football.

We went out in the second half and lost the contest. We didn't lose it in the second half, we lost it over the previous two seasons. We didn't practise winning football enough for it to become part of our make-up.

I see this in the Tigers.

In the previous couple of seasons the Tigers have had genuine opportunities to grab a title to sit alongside 2005's, but have been beaten by less talented sides who were willing to knuckle down harder, not just on the night but throughout the year.

The Tigers might be carrying the tag of competition favourites but last week's performance against a tough blue-collar Cronulla Sharks, the very type of team who gives them trouble, suggests to me that unless there is a major attitude adjustment, 2012 will deliver them a similar fate as the previous year.

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Experts have been saying that about us for years, it's like I've read that same article before, many times. It still hasn't changed, but it's definitely on the improve in my opinion. I think it's a bit harsh of Johns' to be that aggressive about it after one very disappointing performance; it's only round 1.
 
I think he's 100% right, sometimes we just play so dumb its not funny.

I'm hoping the Blair influence will help improve this.
 
Wowowoww,one game in???

The only problem we have is not putting away teams when we have the opportunity yo.

At twelve four last week we could have killed the sharks.

We went within a whisker of scoring about three times,just one and we break the sharks.

PS…...we still won,its first round,and the sharks arent a bad side.

I think peeps need to watch tonights game,see how we go against a real contender and then chill again.
 
Well…. state the bleedin' obvious.
As if everyone didn't already know we find it hard to close out games.
It's not uncommon with potent attacking sides - especially a team full of players confident in their own ability to outscore any opposition.
Don't want to get Bug wound up but it's the coaching staff whose job it is to get the message to them that once you have a good lead then just grind the other team into the dirt.
 
I think it's more the 1% plays he is talking about. Not so much that we can't score tries or grind out a win.

There have been numerous times over the last few years that we have let ourselves down with this. The scrum against the Roosters in 2010\. The game against the Warriors last year, firstly not executing our last tackle option, then not securing the tackled player so he can make that extra effort.

It is these small plays, that occur throughout the year that just let us down.
 
@DavidDuncan said:
I think it's more the 1% plays he is talking about. Not so much that we can't score tries or grind out a win.

There have been numerous times over the last few years that we have let ourselves down with this. The scrum against the Roosters in 2010\. The game against the Warriors last year, firstly not executing our last tackle option, then not securing the tackled player so he can make that extra effort.

It is these small plays, that occur throughout the year that just let us down.

We should never have been in a position to worry about the 1% plays.
We were easily in front and let teams back into the game - common for us.
Whenever the fancy stuff comes off and we get to a good lead we ease off and then try even FANCIER stuff.
That's when the rot sets in.
 
Matt Johns has become another news corp hack who is more interested in rumour and scandal than actually reporting. He is just another Tiger basher.
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I actually thought last week showed that we can grind it out. All we basically did in the second half was defend grimly due to our attack misfiring so badly. The boys showed that the win meant a lot to them and they were willing to play themselves to a standstill to get the bikkies.

To me, last weeks win showed exactly the opposite of what Johns is trying to prove.
 
@IronTiger said:
Matt Johns has become another news corp hack who is more interested in rumour and scandal than actually reporting. He is just another Tiger basher.
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Rubbish. It was a good article.

He is right. Play the ball, and not the man. Johns is not a Tiger hater at all.

Why do so many people immediately become defensive when the media isn't blowing smoke up our backsides?
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@DavidDuncan said:
I think it's more the 1% plays he is talking about. Not so much that we can't score tries or grind out a win.

There have been numerous times over the last few years that we have let ourselves down with this. The scrum against the Roosters in 2010\. The game against the Warriors last year, firstly not executing our last tackle option, then not securing the tackled player so he can make that extra effort.

It is these small plays, that occur throughout the year that just let us down.

Add to that the previous year in the prelim where from memory Benji kicked it out on the full to give the Dragons field position to kick the field goal.
 
@hybrid_tiger said:
@IronTiger said:
Matt Johns has become another news corp hack who is more interested in rumour and scandal than actually reporting. He is just another Tiger basher.
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Rubbish. It was a good article.

He is right. Play the ball, and not the man. Johns is not a Tiger hater at all.

Why do so many people immediately become defensive when the media isn't blowing smoke up our backsides?
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Yeah I think it's a fair article. You see it when the Tigers opt to play side to side rather than up the middle and win the ruck. The Tigers have talked about winning ugly over the last couple of seasons and they certainly won ugly last week. When they have been at their best though, they've gone up the middle and done it well. When they can draw in a defensive line, no side can contain them out wide, but it starts with doing the hard yards up the middle. The Tigers have a pack capable of doing this every week. The problem is, they don't do it every week and this is what they need to overcome IMO.
 
@DavidDuncan said:
I think it's more the 1% plays he is talking about. Not so much that we can't score tries or grind out a win.

There have been numerous times over the last few years that we have let ourselves down with this. The scrum against the Roosters in 2010\. The game against the Warriors last year, firstly not executing our last tackle option, then not securing the tackled player so he can make that extra effort.

It is these small plays, that occur throughout the year that just let us down.

This, that scrum play, whilst poorly adjudicated, should never have happened, losing the scrum against the feed is one of the biggest mistakes you can make on the field, and even though the reffing was poor there, we should have cleaned it up. I don't want to open up old wounds, but 18 months on I still have no idea what was going through Heighington's mind.

Watch the Sea Eagles last kick in tonights game, similar field position to our last tackle against the Warriors, what did Cherry-Evans do there? He kicked the ball as hard as he could, and put it so far down field that we'd waste a tackle or two getting everyone onside. I hope after that we stop trying to have a bet each way in these situations and just kick the bloody thing. Sure we score some tries running it on the last, but we also have occaisions where the wrong player has to put the kick in.
 

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