I Say Cancel The Season!!!!

[Russell]

I am aware of a guy that was tested and to date it has taken 8 days and still no result.

Goes on much longer people involved could be dead before he gets a result.

Westmead is the only place in the whole of Sydney giving out results from all tests - that has to be a joke if there ever was one.

 

[tigerbalm]

Bring back Balmain, Western Suburbs, Newtown, North Sydney, and cut Brisbane Nth Qld, Warriors and Melbourne.
Back to the good old days

Balmain can play out of Leichhardt oval and Wests out of Cambltown
Players can get a real job and train weekday nights and play football weekends for smaller contracts
Let players get private sponcership
Ahh yeah
Back to the good old days

But i kinda like Leichardt now.

Cant we share her? like, Maggies get her every second home game or something?

 

[earl]

Player at very low risk of long-term injury from coronavirus.

I agree with this but my point is that once someone gets sick you then need to isolate everyone that has been in contact with them and on and on it goes. The only option is to have different rules for NRL players but where does that leave their families. Rugby league is also a contact sport and it's the complete opposite approach to social distancing. My understanding is that they already have different rules for airplane crew because they have to have different rules in this situation.

The next point is that if society just self-isolated intensely for the next month we probably don't have a massive effect on society but everyone would have to do that.

 

[hobbo1]

Massive overreaction, in 6 weeks things will be back to normal.

Hope so ...I just bought 10 slabs !

 

[jirskyr]

I agree with this but my point is that once someone gets sick you then need to isolate everyone that has been in contact with them and on and on it goes.

Well that isn't quite accurate.

Have they isolated 100% of all connections to the current 249 confirmed cases of coronavirus? How many people in Australia have to fall ill with corona before we are all required to self-isolate, by direct connection with at least 1 person with the disease?

Social distancing is a concept that operates in anticipation of any member of the general public potentially carrying coronavirus. Yes rugby league tackling is the total opposite of social distancing, but that is only on the assumption that you do not know whether or not your opponent has coronavirus. So isolate all footballers, test all footballers, remove anyone who tests positive, then go on with the competition in an isolated manner.

Now if that is an unreasonable request to make of the footballers, so be it, cancel the season. If the footballers refuse, same as any staff member who might refuse to work from home under direction of their management, then so be it, do not work and do not expect pay.

I keep thinking of the schools, how they remain open when children are the worst social distancers and most non-compliant cohort in society. How many children kissed and hugged their parents this morning, toddled off to school to play tips, cough and splutter over each other, share the bubblers, swap food, rub their eyes and their noses, then return home to their parents with the motherload of germs, to go at it again tomorrow? If 1 child at school tests positive to coronavirus, do we then isolate 100% of children and their teachers? What about the families and associates of the children and teachers?

This isn't an attack on anyone by the way, I just do not see consistency with the "pressure" on sporting codes to shut down, with that same pressure not currently being applied to business or schools. If I refuse to go to work or send kids to school, that is my own business with its own consequences. If the government forces my place of business to shut, that's not my fault but I would comply - of course, expecting that the rationale is sound and the same rule is applied to all similar businesses.

The other thing I was thinking about in relation to V'landys yesterday reaching out for government support during this time, which is a reasonable thing to do, and it's his job to look out for the code. Some people weren't fans of such a request. And I was thinking of the times the government has bailed institutions out - propping up the Holden factories, underwriting the banks during the GFC, bailing out Alcoa Aluminium in 2017.

 

[earl]

Well that isn’t quite accurate.

Maybe not but it should be accurate. The same for schools. It's madness keeping them open now. Shut them down now. Stop it from spreading. Put border controls in. Self-isolate high risk people.

This is not a bad virus and we can contain it. I'm optimistic if people take this thing seriously it will be a non-event. The problem is if we think that there is nothing wrong here we could end up in a terrible situation.

I don't think playing or not playing NRL will make much or any difference to an outbreak and I also agree that players are probably safe even if they are infected with the virus.

 

[jirskyr]

I am aware of a guy that was tested and to date it has taken 8 days and still no result.

Goes on much longer people involved could be dead before he gets a result.

Westmead is the only place in the whole of Sydney giving out results from all tests - that has to be a joke if there ever was one.

That's just demand on the system. The number of test requests from corona is exponential and I seriously doubt any local health service has the capacity to sufficiently ramp up to maintain the turnaround time.

 

[JD Tiger]

I agree with this but my point is that once someone gets sick you then need to isolate everyone that has been in contact with them and on and on it goes.

Well that isn't quite accurate.

Have they isolated 100% of all connections to the current 249 confirmed cases of coronavirus? How many people in Australia have to fall ill with corona before we are all required to self-isolate, by direct connection with at least 1 person with the disease?

Social distancing is a concept that operates in anticipation of any member of the general public potentially carrying coronavirus. Yes rugby league tackling is the total opposite of social distancing, but that is only on the assumption that you do not know whether or not your opponent has coronavirus. So isolate all footballers, test all footballers, remove anyone who tests positive, then go on with the competition in an isolated manner.

Now if that is an unreasonable request to make of the footballers, so be it, cancel the season. If the footballers refuse, same as any staff member who might refuse to work from home under direction of their management, then so be it, do not work and do not expect pay.

I keep thinking of the schools, how they remain open when children are the worst social distancers and most non-compliant cohort in society. How many children kissed and hugged their parents this morning, toddled off to school to play tips, cough and splutter over each other, share the bubblers, swap food, rub their eyes and their noses, then return home to their parents with the motherload of germs, to go at it again tomorrow? If 1 child at school tests positive to coronavirus, do we then isolate 100% of children and their teachers? What about the families and associates of the children and teachers?

This isn't an attack on anyone by the way, I just do not see consistency with the "pressure" on sporting codes to shut down, with that same pressure not currently being applied to business or schools. If I refuse to go to work or send kids to school, that is my own business with its own consequences. If the government forces my place of business to shut, that's not my fault but I would comply - of course, expecting that the rationale is sound and the same rule is applied to all similar businesses.

The other thing I was thinking about in relation to V'landys yesterday reaching out for government support during this time, which is a reasonable thing to do, and it's his job to look out for the code. Some people weren't fans of such a request. And I was thinking of the times the government has bailed institutions out - propping up the Holden factories, underwriting the banks during the GFC, bailing out Alcoa Aluminium in 2017.

Shutting down the schools would be massive, and an absolute last resort. Who would look after all the children? Parents - how then do they earn money to support their family, and who then does the job that they were trained to do? How many health workers would we then lose to child minding duties. Grandparents could look up the kids, but with kids being as you said a high chance to be carriers, and grandparents in a high risk category, that would be a disaster resulting in more deaths.

Im sure there will come a time when they have no choice but to close down some schools, maybe all schools, for a time, and I shudder to think the state of affairs that will lead to. I'd think that would be a last step, before the whole country goes into isolation.

 

[cqtiger]

I applaud what the gov’ts (federal and state) are doing to mitigate this virus. They haven’t gone overboard yet but each day may change things.

If you look at Italy they were very slow to act now the whole country is just about shut down. The sad thing is that there are reports saying that the most at risk citizens, their elderly, may be left to themselves because Italy’s health system is already overwhelmed.

Italy has the second oldest population on the planet.

The good thing with places in Italy is that being made to stay home they are now singing from windows and balconies. Community.

 

[Harvey]

The Coronavirus thread has expanded and multiplied

 

[jirskyr]

Shutting down the schools would be massive, and an absolute last resort.

If I were a betting man, which I sometimes am, I would bet strongly that many schools will close early for Easter holidays and then make a judgement call on what to do next at the end of the holidays. Maybe 1-2 weeks early, given that Good Friday is 10/Apr/20 (almost 4 full weeks away).

In fact I would bet strongly that the public and private education leaders have already engaged the government on this potential strategy and are waiting for feedback on how the government would handle the mass shift of childcare burden, given that most 9-5/5 parents fall back on out-of-school care or grandparents during school breaks anyway (and those would hardly be any better than going to school in the first place).

You'd need to adequately warn the population, so maybe 30/Mar/20 would be the start of a 4-week Easter break.

The main driver of this, IMO, is whether or not coronavirus in Australia is actually trending on "doubling every few days" as observed in Europe. If we have 500 at the end of this week, 1000 in the week of 23/Mar/20, they will make that call and close the schools I reckon.

So yeah, closing schools is massive, last resort. But conceptually, it is no different than closing NRL or other institution, except on your opinion of "risk" and "necessity". There is a very big transmission risk of sending kids to school everyday, and kids don't NEED to be at school right now; they'd manage just fine with a few unexpected weeks off the syllabus. The only thing stopping the schools closing right now, as you have already noted, is the impact on the workers - perhaps in 1960 or 1970 there'd be way more mums at home and it wouldn't be such a big deal.

Until that point, I don't see consistency in calls for professional sports to stop, but leave all businesses and schools open, only that they are non-essential themselves. I don't know if the government is going to have the balls to force sports to stop, and I don't know if the NRL / AFL aren't holding out for some insurance or rebate reason, waiting for the government to push them rather than making the call themselves.

Other institutions, like the Catholic Church, are lucky enough that almost no parish has a regular congregation over 500 anyway, so they are free to continue with holding services and praying for a positive outcome!

 

[jirskyr]

The Coronavirus thread has expanded and multiplied

Very good - doubled you might say.

 

[mike]

Shutting down the schools would be massive, and an absolute last resort.

If I were a betting man, which I sometimes am, I would bet strongly that many schools will close early for Easter holidays and then make a judgement call on what to do next at the end of the holidays. Maybe 1-2 weeks early, given that Good Friday is 10/Apr/20 (almost 4 full weeks away).

In fact I would bet strongly that the public and private education leaders have already engaged the government on this potential strategy and are waiting for feedback on how the government would handle the mass shift of childcare burden, given that most 9-5/5 parents fall back on out-of-school care or grandparents during school breaks anyway (and those would hardly be any better than going to school in the first place).

You'd need to adequately warn the population, so maybe 30/Mar/20 would be the start of a 4-week Easter break.

The main driver of this, IMO, is whether or not coronavirus in Australia is actually trending on "doubling every few days" as observed in Europe. If we have 500 at the end of this week, 1000 in the week of 23/Mar/20, they will make that call and close the schools I reckon.

So yeah, closing schools is massive, last resort. But conceptually, it is no different than closing NRL or other institution, except on your opinion of "risk" and "necessity". There is a very big transmission risk of sending kids to school everyday, and kids don't NEED to be at school right now; they'd manage just fine with a few unexpected weeks off the syllabus. The only thing stopping the schools closing right now, as you have already noted, is the impact on the workers - perhaps in 1960 or 1970 there'd be way more mums at home and it wouldn't be such a big deal.

Until that point, I don't see consistency in calls for professional sports to stop, but leave all businesses and schools open, only that they are non-essential themselves. I don't know if the government is going to have the balls to force sports to stop, and I don't know if the NRL / AFL aren't holding out for some insurance or rebate reason, waiting for the government to push them rather than making the call themselves.

Other institutions, like the Catholic Church, are lucky enough that almost no parish has a regular congregation over 500 anyway, so they are free to continue with holding services and praying for a positive outcome!

Just to add, the school thing is complicated. Who will look after them if they stay home. Often it is the elderly Grandparents and that is one of the things they are trying to avoid. Also will the kids stay at home or are they more likely to go out and socialise anyway? Like I said it’s complicated.

 

[JD Tiger]

Shutting down the schools would be massive, and an absolute last resort.

If I were a betting man, which I sometimes am, I would bet strongly that many schools will close early for Easter holidays and then make a judgement call on what to do next at the end of the holidays. Maybe 1-2 weeks early, given that Good Friday is 10/Apr/20 (almost 4 full weeks away).

In fact I would bet strongly that the public and private education leaders have already engaged the government on this potential strategy and are waiting for feedback on how the government would handle the mass shift of childcare burden, given that most 9-5/5 parents fall back on out-of-school care or grandparents during school breaks anyway (and those would hardly be any better than going to school in the first place).

You'd need to adequately warn the population, so maybe 30/Mar/20 would be the start of a 4-week Easter break.

The main driver of this, IMO, is whether or not coronavirus in Australia is actually trending on "doubling every few days" as observed in Europe. If we have 500 at the end of this week, 1000 in the week of 23/Mar/20, they will make that call and close the schools I reckon.

So yeah, closing schools is massive, last resort. But conceptually, it is no different than closing NRL or other institution, except on your opinion of "risk" and "necessity". There is a very big transmission risk of sending kids to school everyday, and kids don't NEED to be at school right now; they'd manage just fine with a few unexpected weeks off the syllabus. The only thing stopping the schools closing right now, as you have already noted, is the impact on the workers - perhaps in 1960 or 1970 there'd be way more mums at home and it wouldn't be such a big deal.

Until that point, I don't see consistency in calls for professional sports to stop, but leave all businesses and schools open, only that they are non-essential themselves. I don't know if the government is going to have the balls to force sports to stop, and I don't know if the NRL / AFL aren't holding out for some insurance or rebate reason, waiting for the government to push them rather than making the call themselves.

Other institutions, like the Catholic Church, are lucky enough that almost no parish has a regular congregation over 500 anyway, so they are free to continue with holding services and praying for a positive outcome!

I hope the schools go the way you've described, sounds like we could manage that as a society. That's as good as it's going to get short term anyway.

For the footy, a footy player will get sick and that'll be it, maybe a couple more rounds then finito. Isolation (though inpractical and maybe impossible), is the only chance I see to get the majority of the season played.

 

[Geo]

The Coronavirus thread has expanded and multiplied

Very good - doubled you might say.

Tripled

 

[TheDaBoss]

Im afraid we cant cancel the season

West Tigers smashing the competition to premiership glory is the only cure 🙂

 

[AnotherOne]

West Tigers smashing the competition

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[Tigerboy]

Im afraid we cant cancel the season

West Tigers smashing the competition to premiership glory is the only cure 🙂

We’d be on top already if not for 2 tries..

 

[Deleted member 3518]

I agree with this but my point is that once someone gets sick you then need to isolate everyone that has been in contact with them and on and on it goes.

Well that isn't quite accurate.

Have they isolated 100% of all connections to the current 249 confirmed cases of coronavirus? How many people in Australia have to fall ill with corona before we are all required to self-isolate, by direct connection with at least 1 person with the disease?

Social distancing is a concept that operates in anticipation of any member of the general public potentially carrying coronavirus. Yes rugby league tackling is the total opposite of social distancing, but that is only on the assumption that you do not know whether or not your opponent has coronavirus. So isolate all footballers, test all footballers, remove anyone who tests positive, then go on with the competition in an isolated manner.

Now if that is an unreasonable request to make of the footballers, so be it, cancel the season. If the footballers refuse, same as any staff member who might refuse to work from home under direction of their management, then so be it, do not work and do not expect pay.

I keep thinking of the schools, how they remain open when children are the worst social distancers and most non-compliant cohort in society. How many children kissed and hugged their parents this morning, toddled off to school to play tips, cough and splutter over each other, share the bubblers, swap food, rub their eyes and their noses, then return home to their parents with the motherload of germs, to go at it again tomorrow? If 1 child at school tests positive to coronavirus, do we then isolate 100% of children and their teachers? What about the families and associates of the children and teachers?

This isn't an attack on anyone by the way, I just do not see consistency with the "pressure" on sporting codes to shut down, with that same pressure not currently being applied to business or schools. If I refuse to go to work or send kids to school, that is my own business with its own consequences. If the government forces my place of business to shut, that's not my fault but I would comply - of course, expecting that the rationale is sound and the same rule is applied to all similar businesses.

The other thing I was thinking about in relation to V'landys yesterday reaching out for government support during this time, which is a reasonable thing to do, and it's his job to look out for the code. Some people weren't fans of such a request. And I was thinking of the times the government has bailed institutions out - propping up the Holden factories, underwriting the banks during the GFC, bailing out Alcoa Aluminium in 2017.

Shutting down the schools would be massive, and an absolute last resort. Who would look after all the children? Parents - how then do they earn money to support their family, and who then does the job that they were trained to do? How many health workers would we then lose to child minding duties. Grandparents could look up the kids, but with kids being as you said a high chance to be carriers, and grandparents in a high risk category, that would be a disaster resulting in more deaths.

Im sure there will come a time when they have no choice but to close down some schools, maybe all schools, for a time, and I shudder to think the state of affairs that will lead to. I'd think that would be a last step, before the whole country goes into isolation.

It’s literally school holidays in 3 weeks . If we can hold on until then , I know it’s a long time , then most of the planning has already been put into place , as you know that’s whT happens every school holidays . Even if we can get an extra week . So get through the next 2 , that would be much easier logistically. It’s gonna be tough for sure

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

What about following the lead of the AFL and condense the season play each team once, and maybe some midweek games. Perhaps this could work in the setting that Bennett is pushing up north with the players in quarantine.