Interesting Reading.

[WswWt]

Statistically this just shows the refs are agains us 😂

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

So even when we are doing things right compared to most other clubs we cannot get the comp points. Obviously the good games are good and the bad ones are worse than bad. The missed/ineffective tackles we do make are the ones that the opposition score on. When we make mistakes they count against us.

 

[sheer64]

Statistically we just completed more sets made more metres missed less tackles had more offloads the Rorters

We need a stat for that

 

[tony soprano]

Talau way too slow for wing

 

[Goanna57]

Just shows stats don’t tell you squat. The only stat worth a thing and that is winning. For that we are 9th... lol

Don’t worry mike we won’t be 9th for long

 

[Guest]

Ineffective tackles and conceded penalties...how often do we see us defend our mistakes? Not often. And that has really hurt us. Not putting shoulders into tackles and showing line speed in defence is attitude.

 

[cochise]

Ineffective tackles and conceded penalties...how often do we see us defend our mistakes? Not often. And that has really hurt us. Not putting shoulders into tackles and showing line speed in defence is attitude.

That is critical mate, there is no resilience in this team, as soon as something goes wrong we fold.

 

[oldprop]

These stats don’t tell us anything about defence. Our defence is very ordinary. Forwards should expect to spend half the game defending. We need better defenders.

 

[balmain boy]

Goes to show stats mean nothing.

I can't recall the last time one of our players ran a decoy. Apparently by the stats they are all constant decoys.

 

[TYGA]

I was reading the NRL website earlier and noted the following in the team stats:

- 5th highest scoring team (314 points);
- 5th highest in scoring tries (55 tries);
- Equal 7th (3 clubs) highest in goals (42 goals);
- Equal 1st (5 clubs) in field goals kicked (2 field goals);
- Equal 5th (6 clubs) in possession (50%);
- Equal 4th (2 clubs) in set completions (80%);
- 5th in line engagements (257);
- 7th in line breaks (54);
- 1st in tackle breaks (482);
- 1st in decoy runs (701 - insert Russell Packer joke here);
- 6th in kick return metres (2,804);
- 2nd in DH runs (229);
- Equal 4th (2 clubs) in try assists;
- 7th in line break assists (38);
- 15th in errors (140);
- 14th in ineffective tackles (177);
- 10th in conceded penalties (73);
- 15th in handling errors (122)

These are stats where we are at least better than half in the competition in. It makes for interesting reading that we are still outside the 8 and likely to miss again this year. Statistically speaking, that's good reading. A bit of a shame that hasn't translated into the results that matter (W's.)

Very simple. It’s a two tiered competition and our draw is the second hardest in the NRL.
We can’t beat teams in the top 6 and have dropped games against Titans, Warriors.

NRL have a real problem the can’t see yet we are in an era where the top 6 on paper is locked down before a ball is kicked. A team will fall off here and there is Broncos this year and Panthers last year but for the most part we knew who would be top 8 and who wouldn’t.

 

[jadtiger]

I was reading the NRL website earlier and noted the following in the team stats:

- 5th highest scoring team (314 points);
- 5th highest in scoring tries (55 tries);
- Equal 7th (3 clubs) highest in goals (42 goals);
- Equal 1st (5 clubs) in field goals kicked (2 field goals);
- Equal 5th (6 clubs) in possession (50%);
- Equal 4th (2 clubs) in set completions (80%);
- 5th in line engagements (257);
- 7th in line breaks (54);
- 1st in tackle breaks (482);
- 1st in decoy runs (701 - insert Russell Packer joke here);
- 6th in kick return metres (2,804);
- 2nd in DH runs (229);
- Equal 4th (2 clubs) in try assists;
- 7th in line break assists (38);
- 15th in errors (140);
- 14th in ineffective tackles (177);
- 10th in conceded penalties (73);
- 15th in handling errors (122)

These are stats where we are at least better than half in the competition in. It makes for interesting reading that we are still outside the 8 and likely to miss again this year. Statistically speaking, that's good reading. A bit of a shame that hasn't translated into the results that matter (W's.)

Very simple. It’s a two tiered competition and our draw is the second hardest in the NRL.
We can’t beat teams in the top 6 and have dropped games against Titans, Warriors.

NRL have a real problem the can’t see yet we are in an era where the top 6 on paper is locked down before a ball is kicked. A team will fall off here and there is Broncos this year and Panthers last year but for the most part we knew who would be top 8 and who wouldn’t.

I would say its a 3 tiered comp
1 Teamd who will
2 Teams who could
3 Teams who are cannon fodder

We are in category 2 for the most part with lapses into 3.

 

[Tigerdave]

Stuff like this hasn't been helping either

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-2020-braith-anasta-blows-up-over-bizarre-tigersroosters-captains-challenge-calls/news-story/741d634cf90d82cd055d61a2859b8790

Andrew McMurtry
@AndrewMcMurtry
August 22, 20206:48pm

The Sydney Roosters have opened up a 20-0 lead at halftime over the Wests Tigers but two controversial captain’s challenges have dominated the discussions of the first half.

The Roosters withstood a good start from the Tigers. But despite the huge injury toll when the Roosters get on a roll, they are almost unstoppable.

Three tries in the opening 20 minutes set the defending champions on a path to victory but two captain’s challenges have continued to bring the rule under scrutiny.

The rule has been contentious at best this year in its first season in the rule book but more baffling bunker decisions have left fans and commentators stunned.

While they aren’t the first this season or this round, former NRL star Braith Anasta was left baffled by the decisions.

In the 22nd minute, the Roosters appealed a knock on from a chip over the top with it appearing as though Tigers fullback Adam Doueihi knocked it back into the hand of Joseph Manu

Fox League commentator Anasta said “Doueihi has definitely knocked it back”.
Doueihi and Manu both touched the ball but it's hard to see how it was a double knock on.

Doueihi and Manu both touched the ball but it's hard to see how it was a double knock on

The commentators said it was Ashley Klein, who was in the box as the senior review official with video ref Ben Lowe, somehow coming up with the call of a double knock on, with the Roosters getting the ball back 10m out from their own line.

Anasta was stunned with Dan Ginnane adding “How can you argue that Doueihi lost that forward?”

“We’ve had some curious ones this weekend with captain’s challenges,” Ginnane added.

Anasta added: “I don’t know how they got that one.”

Bizarrely, it was just the tip of the iceberg.

The Rooster knocked on on the first tackle after the restart, but after the Tigers earned a penalty, a sloppy play led to another captain’s challenge just two minutes after the first.

An attempted run around from Benji Marshall saw the ball go to ground with the veteran racing to clean up before Manu made a tackle with the ball going to ground.

The Tigers’ Russell Packer picked up the ball with the referee ruling him off-side.
Joseph Manu hit the ball out of Benji Marshall's hands but it was ruled in the act of making a tackle.

Joseph Manu hit the ball out of Benji Marshall's hands but it was ruled in the act of making a tackle.

Anasta immediately called for the Tigers to review and said Manu had knocked it back.

But the ruling came back “Joseph Manu is making a tackle, the ball is lost forward by Benji Marshall”.

Anasta was again stunned.

“Am … am ….am I watching the same game?” he said. “He directly knocks it out. I can’t believe that.

“Is that horribly unlucky or a bad call? It was clean knocked out of his hands.”

Anasta wasn’t the only one baffled by the decision.

Former Sri Lankan cricketer Russel Arnold took particularly pointed aim, tweeting: “Buls*** calls in favour of Roosters as usual

 

[jadtiger]

Stuff like this hasn't been helping either

https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/nrl-2020-braith-anasta-blows-up-over-bizarre-tigersroosters-captains-challenge-calls/news-story/741d634cf90d82cd055d61a2859b8790

Andrew McMurtry
@AndrewMcMurtry
August 22, 20206:48pm

The Sydney Roosters have opened up a 20-0 lead at halftime over the Wests Tigers but two controversial captain’s challenges have dominated the discussions of the first half.

The Roosters withstood a good start from the Tigers. But despite the huge injury toll when the Roosters get on a roll, they are almost unstoppable.

Three tries in the opening 20 minutes set the defending champions on a path to victory but two captain’s challenges have continued to bring the rule under scrutiny.

The rule has been contentious at best this year in its first season in the rule book but more baffling bunker decisions have left fans and commentators stunned.

While they aren’t the first this season or this round, former NRL star Braith Anasta was left baffled by the decisions.

In the 22nd minute, the Roosters appealed a knock on from a chip over the top with it appearing as though Tigers fullback Adam Doueihi knocked it back into the hand of Joseph Manu

Fox League commentator Anasta said “Doueihi has definitely knocked it back”.
Doueihi and Manu both touched the ball but it's hard to see how it was a double knock on.

Doueihi and Manu both touched the ball but it's hard to see how it was a double knock on

The commentators said it was Ashley Klein, who was in the box as the senior review official with video ref Ben Lowe, somehow coming up with the call of a double knock on, with the Roosters getting the ball back 10m out from their own line.

Anasta was stunned with Dan Ginnane adding “How can you argue that Doueihi lost that forward?”

“We’ve had some curious ones this weekend with captain’s challenges,” Ginnane added.

Anasta added: “I don’t know how they got that one.”

Bizarrely, it was just the tip of the iceberg.

The Rooster knocked on on the first tackle after the restart, but after the Tigers earned a penalty, a sloppy play led to another captain’s challenge just two minutes after the first.

An attempted run around from Benji Marshall saw the ball go to ground with the veteran racing to clean up before Manu made a tackle with the ball going to ground.

The Tigers’ Russell Packer picked up the ball with the referee ruling him off-side.
Joseph Manu hit the ball out of Benji Marshall's hands but it was ruled in the act of making a tackle.

Joseph Manu hit the ball out of Benji Marshall's hands but it was ruled in the act of making a tackle.

Anasta immediately called for the Tigers to review and said Manu had knocked it back.

But the ruling came back “Joseph Manu is making a tackle, the ball is lost forward by Benji Marshall”.

Anasta was again stunned.

“Am … am ….am I watching the same game?” he said. “He directly knocks it out. I can’t believe that.

“Is that horribly unlucky or a bad call? It was clean knocked out of his hands.”

Anasta wasn’t the only one baffled by the decision.

Former Sri Lankan cricketer Russel Arnold took particularly pointed aim, tweeting: “Buls*** calls in favour of Roosters as usual

Ashley Klein you neednt say anymore,he is as straight as a dogs hind leg

 

[diedpretty]

Our stats are very good. The problem is we are not capitalising on them though. Although we make the second least errors it doesn't show that we cant defend after errors or missed tackles. Also although we make a lot of line breaks and tackle busts we don't have the speed to go on with it.

 

[jirskyr]

Ineffective tackles and conceded penalties...how often do we see us defend our mistakes? Not often. And that has really hurt us. Not putting shoulders into tackles and showing line speed in defence is attitude.

I agree, there are certain types of stats I think would be more illuminating, when the other indicators per CB are showing moderately positive:
- points conceded after error
- points conceded after 6-again call
- missed tackles leading to points
- missed or ineffective tackles inside our own 20
- poor set completions, e.g. kicks well short of the tryline
- lack of repeat sets

One of the trends of this year is we tend to win fairly well, so our points-for is up because of a few beltings handed out.

And it seems to be that in the new era of 6-again, the resilient teams are doing best, and the "unresilient" teams are struggling to put consecutive wins together.

For example watching Souths flog Manly and, Penrith flog Sharks this year, some teams - like Tigers - let the game get away from them and don't have the ability to wrestle it back. And 6-again seems to compound teams struggling with momentum.

 

[jirskyr]

Former Sri Lankan cricketer Russel Arnold took particularly pointed aim, tweeting: “Buls*** calls in favour of Roosters as usual

Didn't know Rusty was a Tigers and/or NRL fan. What does Chaminda Vaas think about the calls?

 

[Masterton]

Besides the obvious answer of stats mean nothing (how come no one says that when Packer's stats are 15m runs) , I think it shows Maguire can coach consistency, ball-handling , tackling technique etc. He can't coach speed, class, or mental acuity. Other teams take advantage of our errors better than we do theirs.

 

[cochise]

Ineffective tackles and conceded penalties...how often do we see us defend our mistakes? Not often. And that has really hurt us. Not putting shoulders into tackles and showing line speed in defence is attitude.

I agree, there are certain types of stats I think would be more illuminating, when the other indicators per CB are showing moderately positive:
- points conceded after error
- points conceded after 6-again call
- missed tackles leading to points
- missed or ineffective tackles inside our own 20
- poor set completions, e.g. kicks well short of the tryline
- lack of repeat sets

One of the trends of this year is we tend to win fairly well, so our points-for is up because of a few beltings handed out.

And it seems to be that in the new era of 6-again, the resilient teams are doing best, and the "unresilient" teams are struggling to put consecutive wins together.

For example watching Souths flog Manly and, Penrith flog Sharks this year, some teams - like Tigers - let the game get away from them and don't have the ability to wrestle it back. And 6-again seems to compound teams struggling with momentum.

Momentum has always been an issue for us, we struggle to keep it when we have it and take longer than other teams to get it back when the opposition has it. Last nights game flowed on momentum.

 

[Telltails]

Ineffective tackles and conceded penalties...how often do we see us defend our mistakes? Not often. And that has really hurt us. Not putting shoulders into tackles and showing line speed in defence is attitude.

I agree, there are certain types of stats I think would be more illuminating, when the other indicators per CB are showing moderately positive:
- points conceded after error
- points conceded after 6-again call
- missed tackles leading to points
- missed or ineffective tackles inside our own 20
- poor set completions, e.g. kicks well short of the tryline
- lack of repeat sets

One of the trends of this year is we tend to win fairly well, so our points-for is up because of a few beltings handed out.

And it seems to be that in the new era of 6-again, the resilient teams are doing best, and the "unresilient" teams are struggling to put consecutive wins together.

For example watching Souths flog Manly and, Penrith flog Sharks this year, some teams - like Tigers - let the game get away from them and don't have the ability to wrestle it back. And 6-again seems to compound teams struggling with momentum.

Momentum has always been an issue for us, we struggle to keep it when we have it and take longer than other teams to get it back when the opposition has it. Last nights game flowed on momentum.

The bad captains challenge call - classic example

 

[cochise]

Ineffective tackles and conceded penalties...how often do we see us defend our mistakes? Not often. And that has really hurt us. Not putting shoulders into tackles and showing line speed in defence is attitude.

I agree, there are certain types of stats I think would be more illuminating, when the other indicators per CB are showing moderately positive:
- points conceded after error
- points conceded after 6-again call
- missed tackles leading to points
- missed or ineffective tackles inside our own 20
- poor set completions, e.g. kicks well short of the tryline
- lack of repeat sets

One of the trends of this year is we tend to win fairly well, so our points-for is up because of a few beltings handed out.

And it seems to be that in the new era of 6-again, the resilient teams are doing best, and the "unresilient" teams are struggling to put consecutive wins together.

For example watching Souths flog Manly and, Penrith flog Sharks this year, some teams - like Tigers - let the game get away from them and don't have the ability to wrestle it back. And 6-again seems to compound teams struggling with momentum.

Momentum has always been an issue for us, we struggle to keep it when we have it and take longer than other teams to get it back when the opposition has it. Last nights game flowed on momentum.

The bad captains challenge call - classic example

Errors at critical times that we then can't defend usually takes our momentum away, Lucy's error last night was a prime example, not taking advantage of Tommy's intercept another.