Is the Coaching Situation a problem with our 3 guys off contract??

[bobo125]

I guess bobo the proof will be in the pudding.

If they re-sign under Taylor and we are winning games well all power to JT.

I admit i do have doubts though. I thought the question was a fair one.

its a fare question for sure !
it shouldnt be about JT directly as i believe it would be a issue regardless of who the coach was for these 3 young guys !
Thats the point ! !

moses comes across like the right little LAD he is off the field, but you can bet all your money that the people around him will be giving him good advise as to the things that are important !
The same with Teddy and Brooks.

the thing is, a coach ranks pretty high on the list of ANY player signing with any club.
good club - managed well / good culture
good recruitment strategy / good payers / good stability

the drunks will have you believe the coach is a non issue ?

 

[Geo]

I guess bobo the proof will be in the pudding.

If they re-sign under Taylor and we are winning games well all power to JT.

I admit i do have doubts though. I thought the question was a fair one.

its a fare question for sure !
it shouldnt be about JT directly as i believe it would be a issue regardless of who the coach was for these 3 young guys !
Thats the point ! !

moses comes across like the right little LAD he is off the field, but you can bet all your money that the people around him will be giving him good advise as to the things that are important !
The same with Teddy and Brooks.

the thing is, a coach ranks pretty high on the list of ANY player signing with any club.
good club - managed well / good culture
good recruitment strategy / good payers / good stability

the drunks will have you believe the coach is a non issue ?

bobo been a while…fair point..

The Club has re-signed Sue Seumanufagai Lawrence locked in Liddle Felise Aloiai Marsters and Plaseka..we don't appear to be losing players we want to keep under the current administration..

Tedesco Moses and Brooks appear to be comfortable with the added responsibility given them by Taylor to take ownership of the team if the past 2 months is anything to go by...

Taylor will need results in 2017 early for sure..Begs the question though If he is to be replaced what if those who are still to be re-signed beyond 2017 don't like the choice...?

 

[bobo125]

I guess bobo the proof will be in the pudding.

If they re-sign under Taylor and we are winning games well all power to JT.

I admit i do have doubts though. I thought the question was a fair one.

its a fare question for sure !
it shouldnt be about JT directly as i believe it would be a issue regardless of who the coach was for these 3 young guys !
Thats the point ! !

moses comes across like the right little LAD he is off the field, but you can bet all your money that the people around him will be giving him good advise as to the things that are important !
The same with Teddy and Brooks.

the thing is, a coach ranks pretty high on the list of ANY player signing with any club.
good club - managed well / good culture
good recruitment strategy / good payers / good stability

the drunks will have you believe the coach is a non issue ?

bobo been a while…fair point..

The Club has re-signed Sue Seumanufagai Lawrence locked in Liddle Felise Aloiai Marsters and Plaseka..we don't appear to be losing players we want to keep under the current administration..

Tedesco Moses and Brooks appear to be comfortable with the added responsibility given them by Taylor to take ownership of the team if the past 2 months is anything to go by...

Taylor will need results in 2017 early for sure..Begs the question though If he is to be replaced what if those who are still to be re-signed beyond 2017 don't like the choice...?

Geo George - mate my point is less to do about JT and who has or has not or will or will not sign under him specifically
my comments are about the fact that the coach of a team is always an important point for anyone signing with any club

i dont like the guy - thats been noted, but ive backed right off from slagging him off as we all tend to run around in circles

What i will say to answer your question is - i believe the club and the player managers will have a very good idea who may coach the club in 2018 by the time they all sit down to re-negotiate contracts of these 3 in particular

and yeah if they dont like the choice - they will 100% look at their options !

you have to take note - when the club WANTS the players like they obviously want these 3 - its niot just about money
they have to in turn sell themselves …. we are this and that
we will be this and that
our coach is either the one youve had and know or is this guy who is this and that......
lots of this and thats go on in the pitch :wink:

 

[stevied]

I think the club is finally beginning to stabilise and, call me a hopeless optimist, but I strongly believe the club is heading in the right direction. We have a core group of elite first grade talents in the key positions, these being, Tedesco, Moses, Brooks and Woods and there are several talented youngsters coming through headed by Liddle. I think Pascoe, Go and the rest of management are doing a good job, and, to be quite honest, (putting the disappointing Panthers performance aside) I think team harmony is excellent and the majority of players are buying into JT's approach. For these reasons, I think Taylor will be retained, the 'big three' will extend and the club will continue to go forward, most likely without Farah. The only small proviso to this could be the manner in which the team finishes the season. If the final two games result in floggings, lack of motivation or not, then this could put a new spin on things.

 

[Russell]

Real good post Eddiie.

I think they have bought into the Club's and JT's philosophy and would not be adverse to JT staying. Having said that, I think they would still want improvement in the team going forward.

Obviously they would be interested in payment offers and if we offer the same or near other offers I don't think that would go against us either.

I do think we need to buy a couple of other players to fill the gaps we have all talked about and these three need to know that and possibly what we are looking for. Penrith have a young team (no cap probs like us) and they have signed Merrin and now Tamou just to give them the experience. We need to do something similar, maybe a back and a forward - certainly we need to make sure we wrap up Elijah Taylor as well.

None of us know Eddie but I think if we do all these things we would stand a good chance of keeping these three guys.

 

[diedpretty]

Compared to Barrett talking about how they will do everything in their power to get Jamie Lyon on the field at Brookie to give him the farewell he deserves for service to the club - the silence from our club is embarrassing.
It's not about the supporters who are not fans of Farah - keep away if you do
nt like him - this is about the fans that want to acknowledge him and there are plenty of them.
The club and coach will be doing themselves a huge disservice if they don't provide opportunity for the fans to farewell Farah- provided he actually is going.
And as for Lyon like Farah he too has been coached by three coaches - not so unusual for long serving players.

As much as I dislike Jamie Lyon, I don't remember him ever putting the boot into Manly ( or Parra for that matter ). He is probably disliked by as many NRL supporters as dislike Farah and yet he will go out smelling like roses.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Money and the constraint of the salary cap will be the biggest issue for the club in retaining all three players, not the coach.

 

[eyewonder]

too right gary bakerloo.

how much money can three players tie up,when u need to have pay 25 players in your squad.

melbourne have managed to do it for years,3-4 key players and the rest good and cheap soldiers.

but really,the gravy train sure is running when a player gets 4 5 6 7 8 9 hundred thousand to play football.

its a lucky life for some.

 

[Tigerdave]

Don't know, but would the club factor in what the players feel given what happened to Sheens and Potter if the rumours are true?

 

[MightyMaggy]

I think your thread is spot on. The players are smart enough to say the right things to the media about JT. However we dont really know behind closed doors what they really think. Taylor is a polarising coach like no other weve had. Pascoe will know what the players think of JT. If they dont have belief in him, then i think his time has to come to an end. If they are really buying into what he is doing and see him as their long term mentor then lock him up.

**The fact moses and brooks only took a one year extension** says to me they want to know who is long term coach. The fact that Pascoe and Oneil have been very quiet on the farah situation also tells me things are not as rosey as we are led to believe.

I think you will find, their contracts contained a one year extension at their choice. This is why they took a one year extension.

 

[ricksen]

I think your thread is spot on. The players are smart enough to say the right things to the media about JT. However we dont really know behind closed doors what they really think. Taylor is a polarising coach like no other weve had. Pascoe will know what the players think of JT. If they dont have belief in him, then i think his time has to come to an end. If they are really buying into what he is doing and see him as their long term mentor then lock him up.

**The fact moses and brooks only took a one year extension** says to me they want to know who is long term coach. The fact that Pascoe and Oneil have been very quiet on the farah situation also tells me things are not as rosey as we are led to believe.

I think you will find, their contracts contained a one year extension at their choice. This is why they took a one year extension.

We were trying to have both sign long-term extensions - they chose to take the one year extension instead.
Tbh, I would say this is due to the salary cap likely going up a fair bit in 2018, and both backing themselves to cash in accordingly, based on performances between now and then.
Good move from MM's perspective at least.

 

[tigers2005]

I think your thread is spot on. The players are smart enough to say the right things to the media about JT. However we dont really know behind closed doors what they really think. Taylor is a polarising coach like no other weve had. Pascoe will know what the players think of JT. If they dont have belief in him, then i think his time has to come to an end. If they are really buying into what he is doing and see him as their long term mentor then lock him up.

**The fact moses and brooks only took a one year extension** says to me they want to know who is long term coach. The fact that Pascoe and Oneil have been very quiet on the farah situation also tells me things are not as rosey as we are led to believe.

I think you will find, their contracts contained a one year extension at their choice. This is why they took a one year extension.

Yes but you will also find they were offered 2/3 year contracts aswell which neither decided to take. All i know is if its not sorted out early in the year, could have a massive impact on our year with the big 4 all off contract and the rumours and stories that will go round.

 

[tigers2005]

I think your thread is spot on. The players are smart enough to say the right things to the media about JT. However we dont really know behind closed doors what they really think. Taylor is a polarising coach like no other weve had. Pascoe will know what the players think of JT. If they dont have belief in him, then i think his time has to come to an end. If they are really buying into what he is doing and see him as their long term mentor then lock him up.

**The fact moses and brooks only took a one year extension** says to me they want to know who is long term coach. The fact that Pascoe and Oneil have been very quiet on the farah situation also tells me things are not as rosey as we are led to believe.

I think you will find, their contracts contained a one year extension at their choice. This is why they took a one year extension.

We were trying to have both sign long-term extensions - they chose to take the one year extension instead.
Tbh, I would say this is due to the salary cap likely going up a fair bit in 2018, and both backing themselves to cash in accordingly, based on performances between now and then.
Good move from MM's perspective at least.

Smart by moses and not so smart by brooks. While ones stocks have risen i reckon brooks has fallen.

 

[supercoach]

Moses and Brooks took up a one year option because they backed themselves to be more valuable in 12 months time and when they took up the option. I doubt all the coach business really did not come into it.

Obviously money will come into it, but these guys will get big money where ever they go. I think the chance to stay together would certainly be an attraction, weather it will be achievable is another question,but I doubt Taylor or any other coach would be a major factor

 

[maxxy86]

I think the club is finally beginning to stabilise and, call me a hopeless optimist, but I strongly believe the club is heading in the right direction. We have a core group of elite first grade talents in the key positions, these being, Tedesco, Moses, Brooks and Woods and there are several talented youngsters coming through headed by Liddle. I think Pascoe, Go and the rest of management are doing a good job, and, to be quite honest, (putting the disappointing Panthers performance aside) I think team harmony is excellent and the majority of players are buying into JT's approach. For these reasons, I think Taylor will be retained, the 'big three' will extend and the club will continue to go forward, most likely without Farah. The only small proviso to this could be the manner in which the team finishes the season. If the final two games result in floggings, lack of motivation or not, then this could put a new spin on things.

I tend to agree with you mate, not that I'm a JT fan in the slightest. I think as long as long as we have a good off season and maybe a marquee signing with either a centre or backrower I think a good season will be had.
Think having Balin fit and ready to help Liddle along will be important. When it comes to your question Eddie I believe Tedesco and Moses are utmost importance to resign however it will depend on brooks' form as to whether we resign him. Maybe might be better spent signing a centre or backrower of note.

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

JT staying won't be a hinderance.

True test will be if Farah leaves and we keep ET how the younger kids like Pap, Lids etc step up with our top 4.

Exciting times ahead

 

[coopy]

The re-signing of Brooks, Moses, Teddy and even Woodsy I believe will have very little to do with the actual coach. I think it will come down to their chance at success. It was interesting to note that both Teddy and Woodsy had both noted that either had played semi-final footy at the Tigers - and were desperate to do so.

They will all command handsome salaries in their contracts regardless of the club they play for. For Wests to hold on to them, they will need to see the right structures, roster and roadmap from the club.

A poor start to the year may see all move on and we (yet again) enter a rebuilding phase in 2018.

 

[bobo125]

The re-signing of Brooks, Moses, Teddy and even Woodsy I believe will have very little to do with the actual coach. I think it will come down to their chance at success. It was interesting to note that both Teddy and Woodsy had both noted that either had played semi-final footy at the Tigers - and were desperate to do so.

They will all command handsome salaries in their contracts regardless of the club they play for. For Wests to hold on to them, they will need to see the right structures, roster and roadmap from the club.

A poor start to the year may see all move on and we (yet again) enter a rebuilding phase in 2018.

im curious - if the coach dosnt matter too much … and the players only want success... how do they get their ?
do they coach themselves
who guides them
who puts in place the game plan / structures and tactics for their campaign and against each side week in week out

from my knowledge, andrew johns was the only player who could step into a side and sit the coach down
(at origin level)

im not really sure the tigers have that level of player in the side
as you said woodsy and tedesco are desperate to play finals footy and they are the top 2 ?

i wish you were right. then the club could stop paying a coach a massive salary and put that towards debt and sorting out other things in desperate need ....

 

[coopy]

The re-signing of Brooks, Moses, Teddy and even Woodsy I believe will have very little to do with the actual coach. I think it will come down to their chance at success. It was interesting to note that both Teddy and Woodsy had both noted that either had played semi-final footy at the Tigers - and were desperate to do so.

They will all command handsome salaries in their contracts regardless of the club they play for. For Wests to hold on to them, they will need to see the right structures, roster and roadmap from the club.

A poor start to the year may see all move on and we (yet again) enter a rebuilding phase in 2018.

im curious - if the coach dosnt matter too much … and the players only want success... how do they get their ?
do they coach themselves
who guides them
who puts in place the game plan / structures and tactics for their campaign and against each side week in week out

from my knowledge, andrew johns was the only player who could step into a side and sit the coach down
(at origin level)

im not really sure the tigers have that level of player in the side
as you said woodsy and tedesco are desperate to play finals footy and they are the top 2 ?

i wish you were right. then the club could stop paying a coach a massive salary and put that towards debt and sorting out other things in desperate need ....

Fair question.

I was basically saying that there has been some suggestions that players are doing a bit of wait and see. For them to commit, they will need to have some confidence of success in the very near future. Their best friend in the world could be the coach, but if they don't feel like it will deliver the success they crave, they will have plenty of offers.

 

[TCL]

Outside of sport they say "employees leave managers not companies".

So IMO there is weight to who the coach is, but even that plays down the human elimant. People are people and some are driven by good, some by evil, some by money, some by loyalty and some by those around them. So who knows what each individual is thinking.

If we have any success in the coming years it will get harder and harder to keep them all at the club as their values will go up. But as articles have alluded to if we can get 3 of them that want to emulate the slater, Cronk ,smith scenario then we are a chance to sign the spine for a long time.

But a coach they believe in is a must!!!