JAC

[cochise]

I think the realism is we all want JAC and we have done everything in our power to make it happen. This is not the coaches' problem the club's problem etc, the player needs to want to be here. Nothing we can do if they don't. It sucks but we are an underachieving team and until we can prove otherwise these bigger name players are going to be hard to acquire.

Good post mate

I read comments from JAC and he acknowledged his contract with the Storm and the condition the Club had placed on his release. I admired his loyalty. We negotiated with him and presumably the Storm. If we were aware of the condition but aren't prepared to meet it, why progress matters this far?

If he is signing with another club, say Souths, who are Melbourne getting in return, Roberts?

I don't know but my issue is JAC knows the Storm want a like for like trade. I have no issue with this requirement. The Storm are one of the big players. We want one of the guns, imo let's trade.

Lets not lol

Ok, we know where you stand?

As we know where you stand lol

 

[cochise]

I think the realism is we all want JAC and we have done everything in our power to make it happen. This is not the coaches' problem the club's problem etc, the player needs to want to be here. Nothing we can do if they don't. It sucks but we are an underachieving team and until we can prove otherwise these bigger name players are going to be hard to acquire.

Good post mate

I read comments from JAC and he acknowledged his contract with the Storm and the condition the Club had placed on his release. I admired his loyalty. We negotiated with him and presumably the Storm. If we were aware of the condition but aren't prepared to meet it, why progress matters this far?

They’re praying he gets released anyway. Genius negotiation tactic from our club ?

I don't think it is us praying that he get released anyway, I think it is more that the risk is too great to swap players.

 

[JC99]

I think the realism is we all want JAC and we have done everything in our power to make it happen. This is not the coaches' problem the club's problem etc, the player needs to want to be here. Nothing we can do if they don't. It sucks but we are an underachieving team and until we can prove otherwise these bigger name players are going to be hard to acquire.

Good post mate

I read comments from JAC and he acknowledged his contract with the Storm and the condition the Club had placed on his release. I admired his loyalty. We negotiated with him and presumably the Storm. If we were aware of the condition but aren't prepared to meet it, why progress matters this far?

They’re praying he gets released anyway. Genius negotiation tactic from our club ?

Why progress matters this far then?

They were smart they made sure they had a deal in place for as soon as he gets released. If we was to be released right now we’ve got the offer there waiting for him. Problem is I don’t think he’ll get a release, but they wanted to be sure if he DID they’d be ready. That’s what I’m assuming anyway

 

[JC99]

I think the realism is we all want JAC and we have done everything in our power to make it happen. This is not the coaches' problem the club's problem etc, the player needs to want to be here. Nothing we can do if they don't. It sucks but we are an underachieving team and until we can prove otherwise these bigger name players are going to be hard to acquire.

Good post mate

I read comments from JAC and he acknowledged his contract with the Storm and the condition the Club had placed on his release. I admired his loyalty. We negotiated with him and presumably the Storm. If we were aware of the condition but aren't prepared to meet it, why progress matters this far?

They’re praying he gets released anyway. Genius negotiation tactic from our club ?

I don't think it is us praying that he get released anyway, I think it is more that the risk is too great to swap players.

Same thing worded differently. We won’t do a deal with them (maybe because they think it’s a risk as you said) so we give him an offer and hope he gets released some other way.

 

[cochise]

I think the realism is we all want JAC and we have done everything in our power to make it happen. This is not the coaches' problem the club's problem etc, the player needs to want to be here. Nothing we can do if they don't. It sucks but we are an underachieving team and until we can prove otherwise these bigger name players are going to be hard to acquire.

Good post mate

I read comments from JAC and he acknowledged his contract with the Storm and the condition the Club had placed on his release. I admired his loyalty. We negotiated with him and presumably the Storm. If we were aware of the condition but aren't prepared to meet it, why progress matters this far?

They’re praying he gets released anyway. Genius negotiation tactic from our club ?

I don't think it is us praying that he get released anyway, I think it is more that the risk is too great to swap players.

Same thing worded differently. We won’t do a deal with them (maybe because they think it’s a risk as you said) so we give him an offer and hope he gets released some other way.

Its possible we may have already moved on, I don't know if we have but its a possible.

 

[tig_prmz]

In the entire backline and spine, the only sure picks are
2. Noff
7. Brooks
9. Liddle

7 is already coming off his worst season ever and No.9 still hasn't been able to put half a dozen decent consecutive games in 3-4 years?

JAC is only a small piece of the puzzle. Decisions need to be made before the pre-season at least about who is gonna train where. With the game becoming more and more specialised, training at fb/centre/wing/half is all different requirements.

 

[Geo]

So all this heads of whatever was rubbish..?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I think the realism is we all want JAC and we have done everything in our power to make it happen. This is not the coaches' problem the club's problem etc, the player needs to want to be here. Nothing we can do if they don't. It sucks but we are an underachieving team and until we can prove otherwise these bigger name players are going to be hard to acquire.

Good post mate

I read comments from JAC and he acknowledged his contract with the Storm and the condition the Club had placed on his release. I admired his loyalty. We negotiated with him and presumably the Storm. If we were aware of the condition but aren't prepared to meet it, why progress matters this far?

They’re praying he gets released anyway. Genius negotiation tactic from our club ?

Why progress matters this far then?

They were smart they made sure they had a deal in place for as soon as he gets released. If we was to be released right now we’ve got the offer there waiting for him. Problem is I don’t think he’ll get a release, but they wanted to be sure if he DID they’d be ready. That’s what I’m assuming anyway

JAC was across the trade and to his credit doesn't want to leave Melbourne short. We would expect this of our own.

 

[Russell]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed


Please explain how you come to that conclusion, with actual verifiable information.

He gave us a heads of agreement apparently, ready to come here all we needed to do was make a deal with Melbourne. We refuse, he stays at Melbourne or goes somewhere else and he never plays for us. It’s us that refused to play ball

We just did what the Storm and Roosters have been doing for years. Held our ground.

We offerer him the fullback spot. If hes not interested than so be it.

He was interested?!!!!! We couldn’t get the deal done? Roosters are ruthless they would’ve given Melbourne a rookie if they wanted JAC. Look what they did to Pearce and Flanagan

If he was interested he would have signed mate, simple.

Erm he needs a release champ. Pretty simple buddy. He can’t sign when he’s contracted ?

If Melbourne wanted Lucy or Doueihi, you'd let them go for a winger?

They want an outside back. I wouldn’t be against giving them Doueihi, it would be a massive upgrade.

You are blinded by the need for a Marquee player - unfortunately JAC is not Marquee.

He is just a fast winger - that how it's playing out, doesn't want to come here.

You've gone off your head if you would trade AD.

And you are blinded by your love your Tigers players, you’re the person who wouldn’t swap Liddle for Grant ?

Doueihi is a solid player I like him, JAC is 5 times the player he is right now. It’s simple really who makes our squad better and it’s an easy answer. If you think he’s just a fast winger then you clearly haven’t watched much of him the last two years.

I've watched plenty of him Josh - he is just a fast winger - improved over the past year yes but still not a Marquee player.
The term Marquee Player is used to describe a terrific player in our game, that the opposition fear may rip them to shreads, every time they pull on a boot. Players like Johns, Fittler, Turbo, Teddy, Munster, Smith etc.

Marquee is a word used far to often to describe a good player but much further levels down the list. Hell I've heard it used to describe Moses, Walker and even Pearce. It has almost lost the meaning of the word Marquee.

My love for the Tigers players stems from the fact that people like Liddle, Talau, AD and Noffo have signed with us in good faith to play for us, to bleed for us and are loyal to us. You on the other hand couldn't care less obviously, about any of that... "I want JAC and I don't care who I trade, what their hopes and dreams are, how that affects their lives....trade them, they mean nothing, they are just players that are expendable." (What is expendable Rambo), How sad!!!!

Can just see you coming back with..."loyalty means nothing these days," RL is a business. Probably, but maybe that is what is wrong with the game these days and in fact what is wrong with the world.

Maybe I am a dinosaur for thinking loyalty has a part in the 21st century... I prefer to hold a few of the old values that made RL "The Greatest Game of All" and made the world a good place to live in. That is my standard, I'm a loyal person, I will always (as well as to many other things) be loyal to the Tigers.

If you choose to be a Dorian Gray that is your choice..... enjoy the picture you are painting.

 

[JC99]

I think the realism is we all want JAC and we have done everything in our power to make it happen. This is not the coaches' problem the club's problem etc, the player needs to want to be here. Nothing we can do if they don't. It sucks but we are an underachieving team and until we can prove otherwise these bigger name players are going to be hard to acquire.

Good post mate

I read comments from JAC and he acknowledged his contract with the Storm and the condition the Club had placed on his release. I admired his loyalty. We negotiated with him and presumably the Storm. If we were aware of the condition but aren't prepared to meet it, why progress matters this far?

They’re praying he gets released anyway. Genius negotiation tactic from our club ?

I don't think it is us praying that he get released anyway, I think it is more that the risk is too great to swap players.

Same thing worded differently. We won’t do a deal with them (maybe because they think it’s a risk as you said) so we give him an offer and hope he gets released some other way.

Its possible we may have already moved on, I don't know if we have but its a possible.

Definitely possible

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed


Please explain how you come to that conclusion, with actual verifiable information.

He gave us a heads of agreement apparently, ready to come here all we needed to do was make a deal with Melbourne. We refuse, he stays at Melbourne or goes somewhere else and he never plays for us. It’s us that refused to play ball

We just did what the Storm and Roosters have been doing for years. Held our ground.

We offerer him the fullback spot. If hes not interested than so be it.

He was interested?!!!!! We couldn’t get the deal done? Roosters are ruthless they would’ve given Melbourne a rookie if they wanted JAC. Look what they did to Pearce and Flanagan

If he was interested he would have signed mate, simple.

Erm he needs a release champ. Pretty simple buddy. He can’t sign when he’s contracted ?

If Melbourne wanted Lucy or Doueihi, you'd let them go for a winger?

They want an outside back. I wouldn’t be against giving them Doueihi, it would be a massive upgrade.

You are blinded by the need for a Marquee player - unfortunately JAC is not Marquee.

He is just a fast winger - that how it's playing out, doesn't want to come here.

You've gone off your head if you would trade AD.

If we accept your case, there should be no issue trading Nofoaluma? He had his best year in attack at the Club and didn't. make the SOO team. JAC made SOO, will be a Kangaroo again and was instrumental in the Storms" premiership. Clearly to me an upgrade.

Spot on Paws Nofo played the Best he can play and
A. He still couldn't make origin
B. We still didn't make the 8

JAC would be the upgrade but we won't get him time to look for 2022 and beyond

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I think the realism is we all want JAC and we have done everything in our power to make it happen. This is not the coaches' problem the club's problem etc, the player needs to want to be here. Nothing we can do if they don't. It sucks but we are an underachieving team and until we can prove otherwise these bigger name players are going to be hard to acquire.

Good post mate

I read comments from JAC and he acknowledged his contract with the Storm and the condition the Club had placed on his release. I admired his loyalty. We negotiated with him and presumably the Storm. If we were aware of the condition but aren't prepared to meet it, why progress matters this far?

If he is signing with another club, say Souths, who are Melbourne getting in return, Roberts?

Mansour moves to melbourne
Souths free up Roberts and Allan and voile JAC to souths

 

[cochise]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed


Please explain how you come to that conclusion, with actual verifiable information.

He gave us a heads of agreement apparently, ready to come here all we needed to do was make a deal with Melbourne. We refuse, he stays at Melbourne or goes somewhere else and he never plays for us. It’s us that refused to play ball

We just did what the Storm and Roosters have been doing for years. Held our ground.

We offerer him the fullback spot. If hes not interested than so be it.

He was interested?!!!!! We couldn’t get the deal done? Roosters are ruthless they would’ve given Melbourne a rookie if they wanted JAC. Look what they did to Pearce and Flanagan

If he was interested he would have signed mate, simple.

Erm he needs a release champ. Pretty simple buddy. He can’t sign when he’s contracted ?

If Melbourne wanted Lucy or Doueihi, you'd let them go for a winger?

They want an outside back. I wouldn’t be against giving them Doueihi, it would be a massive upgrade.

You are blinded by the need for a Marquee player - unfortunately JAC is not Marquee.

He is just a fast winger - that how it's playing out, doesn't want to come here.

You've gone off your head if you would trade AD.

If we accept your case, there should be no issue trading Nofoaluma? He had his best year in attack at the Club and didn't. make the SOO team. JAC made SOO, will be a Kangaroo again and was instrumental in the Storms" premiership. Clearly to me an upgrade.

Spot on Paws Nofo played the Best he can play and
A. He still couldn't make origin
B. We still didn't make the 8

JAC would be the upgrade but we won't get him time to look for 2022 and beyond

I'd like both.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

So all this heads of whatever was rubbish..?

The heads may be blocked.

 

[cochise]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed


Please explain how you come to that conclusion, with actual verifiable information.

He gave us a heads of agreement apparently, ready to come here all we needed to do was make a deal with Melbourne. We refuse, he stays at Melbourne or goes somewhere else and he never plays for us. It’s us that refused to play ball

We just did what the Storm and Roosters have been doing for years. Held our ground.

We offerer him the fullback spot. If hes not interested than so be it.

He was interested?!!!!! We couldn’t get the deal done? Roosters are ruthless they would’ve given Melbourne a rookie if they wanted JAC. Look what they did to Pearce and Flanagan

If he was interested he would have signed mate, simple.

Erm he needs a release champ. Pretty simple buddy. He can’t sign when he’s contracted ?

If Melbourne wanted Lucy or Doueihi, you'd let them go for a winger?

They want an outside back. I wouldn’t be against giving them Doueihi, it would be a massive upgrade.

You are blinded by the need for a Marquee player - unfortunately JAC is not Marquee.

He is just a fast winger - that how it's playing out, doesn't want to come here.

You've gone off your head if you would trade AD.

And you are blinded by your love your Tigers players, you’re the person who wouldn’t swap Liddle for Grant ?

Doueihi is a solid player I like him, JAC is 5 times the player he is right now. It’s simple really who makes our squad better and it’s an easy answer. If you think he’s just a fast winger then you clearly haven’t watched much of him the last two years.

I've watched plenty of him Josh - he is just a fast winger - improved over the past year yes but still not a Marquee player.
The term Marquee Player is used to describe a terrific player in our game, that the opposition fear may rip them to shreads, every time they pull on a boot. Players like Johns, Fittler, Turbo, Teddy, Munster, Smith etc.

Marquee is a word used far to often to describe a good player but much further levels down the list. Hell I've heard it used to describe Moses, Walker and even Pearce. It has almost lost the meaning of the word Marquee.

My love for the Tigers players stems from the fact that people like Liddle, Talau, AD and Noffo have signed with us in good faith to play for us, to bleed for us and are loyal to us. You on the other hand couldn't care less obviously, about any of that... "I want JAC and I don't care who I trade, what their hopes and dreams are, how that affects their lives....trade them, they mean nothing, they are just players that are expendable." (What is expendable Rambo), How sad!!!!

Can just see you coming back with..."loyalty means nothing these days," RL is a business. Probably, but maybe that is what is wrong with the game these days and in fact what is wrong with the world.

Maybe I am a dinosaur for thinking loyalty has a part in the 21st century... I prefer to hold a few of the old values that made RL "The Greatest Game of All" and made the world a good place to live in. That is my standard, I'm a loyal person, I will always (as well as to many other things) be loyal to the Tigers.

If you choose to be a Dorian Gray that is your choice..... enjoy the picture you are painting.

Agreed mate.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed


Please explain how you come to that conclusion, with actual verifiable information.

He gave us a heads of agreement apparently, ready to come here all we needed to do was make a deal with Melbourne. We refuse, he stays at Melbourne or goes somewhere else and he never plays for us. It’s us that refused to play ball

We just did what the Storm and Roosters have been doing for years. Held our ground.

We offerer him the fullback spot. If hes not interested than so be it.

He was interested?!!!!! We couldn’t get the deal done? Roosters are ruthless they would’ve given Melbourne a rookie if they wanted JAC. Look what they did to Pearce and Flanagan

If he was interested he would have signed mate, simple.

Erm he needs a release champ. Pretty simple buddy. He can’t sign when he’s contracted ?

If Melbourne wanted Lucy or Doueihi, you'd let them go for a winger?

They want an outside back. I wouldn’t be against giving them Doueihi, it would be a massive upgrade.

You are blinded by the need for a Marquee player - unfortunately JAC is not Marquee.

He is just a fast winger - that how it's playing out, doesn't want to come here.

You've gone off your head if you would trade AD.

If we accept your case, there should be no issue trading Nofoaluma? He had his best year in attack at the Club and didn't. make the SOO team. JAC made SOO, will be a Kangaroo again and was instrumental in the Storms" premiership. Clearly to me an upgrade.

Spot on Paws Nofo played the Best he can play and
A. He still couldn't make origin
B. We still didn't make the 8

JAC would be the upgrade but we won't get him time to look for 2022 and beyond

I'd like both.

Both would be good but not likely for 2021 and I dont think JAC wants to wait for 2022 if he does it will be with Souths I reckon

 

[cochise]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed


Please explain how you come to that conclusion, with actual verifiable information.

He gave us a heads of agreement apparently, ready to come here all we needed to do was make a deal with Melbourne. We refuse, he stays at Melbourne or goes somewhere else and he never plays for us. It’s us that refused to play ball

We just did what the Storm and Roosters have been doing for years. Held our ground.

We offerer him the fullback spot. If hes not interested than so be it.

He was interested?!!!!! We couldn’t get the deal done? Roosters are ruthless they would’ve given Melbourne a rookie if they wanted JAC. Look what they did to Pearce and Flanagan

If he was interested he would have signed mate, simple.

Erm he needs a release champ. Pretty simple buddy. He can’t sign when he’s contracted ?

If Melbourne wanted Lucy or Doueihi, you'd let them go for a winger?

They want an outside back. I wouldn’t be against giving them Doueihi, it would be a massive upgrade.

You are blinded by the need for a Marquee player - unfortunately JAC is not Marquee.

He is just a fast winger - that how it's playing out, doesn't want to come here.

You've gone off your head if you would trade AD.

If we accept your case, there should be no issue trading Nofoaluma? He had his best year in attack at the Club and didn't. make the SOO team. JAC made SOO, will be a Kangaroo again and was instrumental in the Storms" premiership. Clearly to me an upgrade.

Spot on Paws Nofo played the Best he can play and
A. He still couldn't make origin
B. We still didn't make the 8

JAC would be the upgrade but we won't get him time to look for 2022 and beyond

I'd like both.

Both would be good but not likely for 2021 and I dont think JAC wants to wait for 2022 if he does it will be with Souths I reckon

I'd comment but apparently my opinion is already well know lol

 

[JC99]

I’ve been told the deal is dead in the water. He will go back to the Storm and sign with the Rabbits in 2021.

No one to blame but management for that one. If we can’t land a big signing in 2022 we are screwed


Please explain how you come to that conclusion, with actual verifiable information.

He gave us a heads of agreement apparently, ready to come here all we needed to do was make a deal with Melbourne. We refuse, he stays at Melbourne or goes somewhere else and he never plays for us. It’s us that refused to play ball

We just did what the Storm and Roosters have been doing for years. Held our ground.

We offerer him the fullback spot. If hes not interested than so be it.

He was interested?!!!!! We couldn’t get the deal done? Roosters are ruthless they would’ve given Melbourne a rookie if they wanted JAC. Look what they did to Pearce and Flanagan

If he was interested he would have signed mate, simple.

Erm he needs a release champ. Pretty simple buddy. He can’t sign when he’s contracted ?

If Melbourne wanted Lucy or Doueihi, you'd let them go for a winger?

They want an outside back. I wouldn’t be against giving them Doueihi, it would be a massive upgrade.

You are blinded by the need for a Marquee player - unfortunately JAC is not Marquee.

He is just a fast winger - that how it's playing out, doesn't want to come here.

You've gone off your head if you would trade AD.

And you are blinded by your love your Tigers players, you’re the person who wouldn’t swap Liddle for Grant ?

Doueihi is a solid player I like him, JAC is 5 times the player he is right now. It’s simple really who makes our squad better and it’s an easy answer. If you think he’s just a fast winger then you clearly haven’t watched much of him the last two years.

I've watched plenty of him Josh - he is just a fast winger - improved over the past year yes but still not a Marquee player.
The term Marquee Player is used to describe a terrific player in our game, that the opposition fear may rip them to shreads, every time they pull on a boot. Players like Johns, Fittler, Turbo, Teddy, Munster, Smith etc.

Marquee is a word used far to often to describe a good player but much further levels down the list. Hell I've heard it used to describe Moses, Walker and even Pearce. It has almost lost the meaning of the word Marquee.

My love for the Tigers players stems from the fact that people like Liddle, Talau, AD and Noffo have signed with us in good faith to play for us, to bleed for us and are loyal to us. You on the other hand couldn't care less obviously, about any of that... "I want JAC and I don't care who I trade, what their hopes and dreams are, how that affects their lives....trade them, they mean nothing, they are just players that are expendable." (What is expendable Rambo), How sad!!!!

Can just see you coming back with..."loyalty means nothing these days," RL is a business. Probably, but maybe that is what is wrong with the game these days and in fact what is wrong with the world.

Maybe I am a dinosaur for thinking loyalty has a part in the 21st century... I prefer to hold a few of the old values that made RL "The Greatest Game of All" and made the world a good place to live in. That is my standard, I'm a loyal person, I will always (as well as to many other things) be loyal to the Tigers.

If you choose to be a Dorian Gray that is your choice..... enjoy the picture you are painting.

You think people don’t fear playing against JAC? He is one of the most dangerous players to play against in the world right now. He easily fits into the marquee category.

I can understand your feelings about loyalty but you answered it yourself, it’s all business nowadays. You got no where being loyal you win premierships by having the best players and coaches no matter what it takes. I want my club to win not just continue to play players big money for winning nothing

Hate to break it to you, half of our players would most likely leave if offered better money at a better club. Loyalty is dead not only with the clubs but with players themselves. They only have 10 years to play they need to make as much money as they can.

I won’t rubbish you for your opinion bevaude you’re right loyalty is an amazing thing, I wish it existed like it did back in the day where players stayed at their local clubs all their career. Sad fact is you just can’t afford to do that as a club nowadays at least not for everyone. Good to have a few loyal guys you need to treasure those guys but you gotta be ruthless in modern footy

 

[Tiger5150]

JAC clocked 10.6 seconds over 100 metres at origin camp. He must be one of the fastest ever to play in the NRL.

Paps got 11.02 in comparison

Very quick indeed. Impressive. A bit surprised that Paps was slower.

That is obviously over 100m. Footy, although played on 100m long field is all about 10m-20m bursts. Wouldnt be surprised if Paps was quicker over 10-40m.

In the first game this year against Melbourne when Paps scored that long range try against us, I was blown away with his speed off the mark. I cant remember who was defending but there were two Tigers in front of him, not a gap, both able to get a shoulder to him and he was through them before they could think. Blown away.

 

[JD Tiger]

What I think people are forgetting with this trade idea, is that JAC only has one year left with Storm. But they want a replacement for longer term. They don't want a one year loan, they want a replacement they can use for many years to come.

JAC already wants out, they are already losing him within a year at most. Yet they want someone to replace him on a multiple year deal.

Any club would be an absolute sucker to give into their demands. It's not a matter of us trading a young one for JAC, it's a matter that they are being completely unreasonable and unrealistic in expecting a trade when it is not like for like. JAC for one year is not worth a younger player for potentially their whole career.

I don't understand why some people don't understand that.