Jackson Topine takes Bulldogs to NSW Supreme Court

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Again, the dogs have not once denied that he was made to again wrestle the rest of the session's squad at the end of the programmed session. It is not contested.

Again, done in the right manner, this is nothing more than character building.

 

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This is the crux of the matter, was it done in the right manner?

 

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If you say so sir, how high?

They, all of them, were good enough to reach the NRL but not question a trainer?

Professional footballers do what their trainer orders...

They allegedly did question him - but they are lower on the pecking order and were told to continue...

RFM ended up getting shitcanned by the club for standing up about it!

 

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Again, done in the right manner, this is nothing more than character building.

Don't disagree at all

 

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you see that’s your whole issue with this ! You assume that’s that’s my opinion . I actually don’t think it’s a fantasy .
I think the Tour de France analogy is the best one .. if you understand the extremes those people will go to to wear different coloured jerseys .
Even the doping in that sport is funny to me . Because of the fact EPO is basically thier blood from when they destroyed themselves in high altitude (sometimes simulated) environments . Literally the most extreme example of the ends justifying the means , or , the hardest steel being forged in the hottest fires.
literally lance armstrong won all those titles because he was willing to go to extremes and train in extremes that others weren’t . They were all willing to dope , but not willing to do it to the level he was .
This relates to this story because , the trainer is from the roosters the coach is from the panthers and they obviously have a philosophy that the ends justify the means and winning takes extreme sacrifice .
Like I said yesterday , you can call it abuse , and you might be right , but when other teams are standing on that podium because it’s a case of the closer to the edge you go , the closer to the podium you get , I mean well yeah …. Elite sport is a space for sociopaths , narcissists, irrational confidence and extremes . There’s no place for morality ……
It’s literally a case for most sports , good guys finish last . As much as we all like to think differently

Fantasy....

Why is Topine still employed?

Cycling is a wonderful clean sport - great analogy!

 

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Professional footballers do what their trainer orders...

They allegedly did question him - but they are lower on the pecking order and were told to continue...

RFM ended up getting shitcanned by the club for standing up about it!

Not what I hear. Most clubs have a senior leadership group driving performance standards. Bulldogs had been shit, senior players not up to it, RFM obviously one of them. Club needed change. Truth hurts sometimes.

 

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Not what I hear. Most clubs have a senior leadership group driving performance standards. Bulldogs had been shit, senior players not up to it, RFM obviously one of them. Club needed change. Truth hurts sometimes.

Burton and Mahoney not a strong leadership group...

How dare you!

 

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Burton and Mahoney not a strong leadership group...

How dare you!

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What’s your opinion on what happened to Nofa ? He literally left because he said training was too hard and he was being singled out , humiliated etc … did you agree with the club at the time ? And be honest !

 

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What’s your opinion on what happened to Nofa ? He literally left because he said training was too hard and he was being singled out , humiliated etc … did you agree with the club at the time ? And be honest !

Forwards were beating him in fitness drills. As Galvin is our current outside backs. Don’t tell them though, they might be offended.

 

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Forwards were beating him in fitness drills. As Galvin is our current outside backs. Don’t tell them though, they might be offended.

Yea but he went to the union , claiming very similar things to Jackson . Granted not having a singular event .
And just about everyone on here was into him about driving standards , “soft” , “new era” etc.
The only duty of care stuff we were all saying is Nofa might need help … and the fact he was a known loud mouth , people didn’t like him .
My point is …. We went through something very similar to the dogs . With pretty much the same complaints having been made about us .

 

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What’s your opinion on what happened to Nofa ? He literally left because he said training was too hard and he was being singled out , humiliated etc … did you agree with the club at the time ? And be honest !

He was sacked due to breach of contract - why has the same thing not happened to Topine??

You'd know what I think of Nofa's RLPA grievance if you read my posts.

 

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Forwards were beating him in fitness drills. As Galvin is our current outside backs. Don’t tell them though, they might be offended.

Nofa hadn't met standards for a long time and had at least two previous breach notices - hence the termination with a good faith payment to expedite the process

 

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He was sacked due to breach of contract - why has the same thing not happened to Topine??

You'd know what I think of Nofa's RLPA grievance if you read my posts.

Because he’s the former schoolboy captain and 23 years old , and not a 30 year old winger past his best days .

 

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Manly just gave Schuster 800k in the hope he would find a way to hit his potential … and now they’re paying him a million to stay away .
What grounds did they have to sack him ? He’s struggling mentally . I don’t get what your point is ? It’s solely because he’s on compo ?
Please …. It’s the same reason plenty of shitheads and really bad people keep getting contracts until they’re no longer young enough or skilled enough to justify the misbehaviour .
If you can play football really well , all is forgiven .
I’ve had enough of this … you literally have no idea . And I can’t be bothered trying to explain the alternate perspective .

His best friend died in front of him. It’s time we change the Josh Schuster narrative

In the last two seasons, the Manly star has batted perceptions he has failed to live up to his $800,000-a-year salary. But only this week have we learned the turmoil Schuster has been living with.

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In the last three years, few NRL players have been interrogated more than Josh Schuster.

If it wasn’t his form, it was his fitness, and if it wasn’t his fitness, it was the $800,000 a year he was trousering as one of the NRL’s brightest prospects.

Doubtless he has been paid on the enormous potential he is trying hard to fulfil, as opposed to consistently high levels of performance. But that is the prerogative of an NRL club.
Some would say the scrutiny comes with the territory of being a highly paid professional rugby league player, as long as it’s within reason. Buy the ticket, take the ride.

But maybe some context is needed. For more than three years Schuster has been dealing with the death of his childhood friend right in front of him at Manly training. A companion with whom he was so close that he refused to let go of his hand as he sat with him on the floor of the club’s Narrabeen gym after he suffered a seizure.
With his head bowed and his throat choking with sobs as he gave his evidence, a window into Schuster’s world emerged inside a sterile courtroom during the coronial inquest into the death of former Sea Eagles player Keith Titmuss at a training session in November 2020.

The court heard Schuster sat on the floor of the dojo with Titmuss, holding his hand even as Manly support staff and paramedics tried to clear the area to render emergency care.

Schuster had been close friends with Titmuss since kindergarten. They’d played junior footy together and, in the words of Schuster, they “wanted to play NRL and for their country [Samoa] together”. It was a dream they were well on the way to achieving.

As a cast of Manly officials at the time – including former coach Des Hasler – have climbed into the witness box to give their version of events on that fateful day, most of whom have broken down in tears during their evidence, it’s hard to think anyone outside Titmuss’ family has carried as much emotion as Schuster.
“I still believe a lot of the boys are affected by what happened,” Manly’s former head physio James Rahme told the inquest.

Apart from being a witness, Schuster has also attended other harrowing days of the hearing, sitting quietly in the courtroom offering support to the Titmuss family.

They now know the likely cause of Keith’s death was exertional heatstroke, ending an uncertainty which has lingered for years.

The inquest will continue this week. Deputy state coroner Derek Lee will then make recommendations, no doubt focused on how hard NRL players train in the opening weeks of pre-season and the number of medical personnel required at each session.

While the inquest might help with the grieving process for Titmuss’ family, it might also help Schuster. He is human, like all other players, and has carried this horrific tragedy in the early years of what is hopefully a long NRL career.

This pre-season hasn’t been easy either. He’s had a dose of chickenpox, a spiral fracture of his finger and a minor calf strain.
But Sea Eagles officials privately knew those setbacks were nothing compared to the Titmuss inquest on the horizon – and they know the narrative needs to change around Schuster, still only 22.

When Sea Eagles captain Daly Cherry-Evans publicly challenged Schuster over his standards last year, the rugby league world sat up and took notice. Those conversations are usually kept behind closed doors, but Cherry-Evans stared straight down the barrel of a television camera and didn’t miss.

His tune has been very different this year.
“Look, he’s had a really hard off season, to be completely honest,” Cherry-Evans said. “I don’t think now is the time to be challenging Josh about where he is at, The priority is just making sure he’s all good.
“Ask anyone who’s had setback after setback. It’s actually really hard, mentally, so it’s just making sure we’re supporting Josh at the moment ... because I know he’ll hold up his end of the bargain and work hard to get in the side.

“I don’t know when he’s back, I don’t know when he’s ready to play, but I just know he makes our team better when he’s fit and healthy, and I’m sure we’re going to be leaning on Josh this year.”

The Sea Eagles will play the Roosters in their main trial match next weekend before jetting off to Las Vegas for the historic double-header at Allegiant Stadium. It will be the start of a long climb back to the finals under coach Anthony Seibold.

Tom Trbojevic aside, maybe no player will have more of am influence on their fortunes this year than Schuster.

And possibly only now are we understanding what he’s really been going through.

 

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So now you care about mental illness ? Right !!!!! You’re so full of diarrhoea. Whatever it takes to be right ….. I honestly don’t give a shit about you and your opinion anymore . I was up for a healthy debate , and even an alternate perspective . But you just want to be right . Whatever dopamine that provides you …. Good luck … I’m done

I've been an advocate for improved duty of care for physical and mental ailments from sporting organisations of all creeds for a long time and I put my money where my mouth is!

The quiet one

He was a promising footballer with a pregnant girlfriend, so why did he end it all at 20? Jane Cadzow on the tragic story of Mosese Fotuaika.

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