Jason Taylor - Fox interview

[bobo125]

I think JT echoed what a lot of fans think - you want to play finals football? Make it happen, the club wants to pay you to do that.

Don't be a cop-out and say you need to find another club to get there. That's just admitting you aren't good enough to take this team to the finals, you need to surround yourself with other players (*cough* Mitchell Moses *cough*) to make it.

mmmmmm alot of heat on these 4 young kids.

there is always 2 sides of the story though.
if you take all the emotion out of it - i think its fare for anyone to wait and see what direction the club is going in or who is going to be the coach before signing a 4 year contract.

under the coach, they didnt perform.
people are forgetting, all of them have said at one point - "the coach is allowing us to play more freely etc etc"
this straight away indicated there were issues with how the team was playing in regards to the direction the coach was going or how they interacted with each other

woods said it openly and honestly - i want to know who the coach is
all of a sudden hes holding the club to ransom….
i dont get it

i personally, and i believe a lot of people, would not sign 4 years of their life - regardless of money - if they were unsure who the coach was going to be.

As for the finals footy comment -again - maybe this is a indication of the coach and or the ability the coach and club have on attracting other quality players ?
at this level, i dont believe any one player cn take their team to the finals.
Thursto has good players around
cooper smith slaytor - were in unicen
gallen - again - good guys around him....

so for these young kids - again i think thats a fare comment
you want to be in a team where you believe collectively you all can not just make the 8 but be competative
and in doing so - your also comparing yourself to the storms, the cronulla the broncos NQ.....

if teddy and woods are staying, i believe this would be announced quite quickly or the writings on the wall.

as for JT last night..... yeah great he didnt throw anyone under the buss but by no means has he been made to be the scapegoat.
that is complete rubbish
he had a team that did not repsond to him
his management of that team was very poor and ultimately the results dicated the outcome
yes it should have happened before the season started but thats another issue also !

 

[jirskyr]

I think JT echoed what a lot of fans think - you want to play finals football? Make it happen, the club wants to pay you to do that.

Don't be a cop-out and say you need to find another club to get there. That's just admitting you aren't good enough to take this team to the finals, you need to surround yourself with other players (*cough* Mitchell Moses *cough*) to make it.

mmmmmm alot of heat on these 4 young kids.

there is always 2 sides of the story though.
if you take all the emotion out of it - i think its fare for anyone to wait and see what direction the club is going in or who is going to be the coach before signing a 4 year contract.

under the coach, they didnt perform.
people are forgetting, all of them have said at one point - "the coach is allowing us to play more freely etc etc"
this straight away indicated there were issues with how the team was playing in regards to the direction the coach was going or how they interacted with each other

woods said it openly and honestly - i want to know who the coach is
all of a sudden hes holding the club to ransom….
i dont get it

i personally, and i believe a lot of people, would not sign 4 years of their life - regardless of money - if they were unsure who the coach was going to be.

As for the finals footy comment -again - maybe this is a indication of the coach and or the ability the coach and club have on attracting other quality players ?
at this level, i dont believe any one player cn take their team to the finals.
Thursto has good players around
cooper smith slaytor - were in unicen
gallen - again - good guys around him....

so for these young kids - again i think thats a fare comment
you want to be in a team where you believe collectively you all can not just make the 8 but be competative
and in doing so - your also comparing yourself to the storms, the cronulla the broncos NQ.....

if teddy and woods are staying, i believe this would be announced quite quickly or the writings on the wall.

as for JT last night..... yeah great he didnt throw anyone under the buss but by no means has he been made to be the scapegoat.
that is complete rubbish
he had a team that did not repsond to him
his management of that team was very poor and ultimately the results dicated the outcome
yes it should have happened before the season started but thats another issue also !

I have no grief with a player wanting to know the direction and management before signing. That's just good diligence. I would never criticise a player for wanting to see what Tigers did re the head coach.

What I can't cop is the "leaving to play finals football" malarkey. We've already gone through many examples of players who did that and didn't play finals footy, and players that were moved on against their will and ended up at winning sides. You just can't be sure in football that your team is gonna make it, it's all just gambling.

Thurston, Gallen - they barely had good players around. They were pillars upon which the club added good players, to build the right side. Gallen's been in the run-on side since 2002 and Sharks played finals 7 times during those 15 years (< 50%).

To win a comp you need everything to line up, as we know - the talent, the form, the lack of injuries, the belief/confidence.

If you think you are worth $1M but you don't think you can play finals at your current club, then sorry you aren't work $1M. $1M buys the players who take teams to finals. If you just want to have a bit more feedback about the direction the club is taking, that's fine, you want to have some confidence that the club is moving in the right direction.

But you know, approaching $1M, very few clubs can afford that and must themselves have big holes in their roster to make that space. If you want to join a club that is a strong finals chance, odds are that club is already balanced, with high quality and high price players, the cap being mostly used up.

Benji has joined a team with a rich history of playing finals footy, and he's likely to watch from the stands after he showers from his Redcliffe Dolphins match.

 

[tig_prmz]

i really liked the part about finals footy..

should be in the dressing room as it's pretty simple. if you wanna play finals footy, it's your job to get us there.

we have missed a lot of finals series over the years, but never do i think we can say that we tried our best but just werent good enough.

 

[tig_prmz]

well said jirskyr

 

[TrueTiger]

I think JT echoed what a lot of fans think - you want to play finals football? Make it happen, the club wants to pay you to do that.

Don't be a cop-out and say you need to find another club to get there. That's just admitting you aren't good enough to take this team to the finals, you need to surround yourself with other players (*cough* Mitchell Moses *cough*) to make it.

mmmmmm alot of heat on these 4 young kids.

there is always 2 sides of the story though.
if you take all the emotion out of it - i think its fare for anyone to wait and see what direction the club is going in or who is going to be the coach before signing a 4 year contract.

under the coach, they didnt perform.
people are forgetting, all of them have said at one point - "the coach is allowing us to play more freely etc etc"
this straight away indicated there were issues with how the team was playing in regards to the direction the coach was going or how they interacted with each other

woods said it openly and honestly - i want to know who the coach is
all of a sudden hes holding the club to ransom….
i dont get it

i personally, and i believe a lot of people, would not sign 4 years of their life - regardless of money - if they were unsure who the coach was going to be.

As for the finals footy comment -again - maybe this is a indication of the coach and or the ability the coach and club have on attracting other quality players ?
at this level, i dont believe any one player cn take their team to the finals.
Thursto has good players around
cooper smith slaytor - were in unicen
gallen - again - good guys around him....

so for these young kids - again i think thats a fare comment
you want to be in a team where you believe collectively you all can not just make the 8 but be competative
and in doing so - your also comparing yourself to the storms, the cronulla the broncos NQ.....

if teddy and woods are staying, i believe this would be announced quite quickly or the writings on the wall.

as for JT last night..... yeah great he didnt throw anyone under the buss but by no means has he been made to be the scapegoat.
that is complete rubbish
he had a team that did not repsond to him
his management of that team was very poor and ultimately the results dicated the outcome
yes it should have happened before the season started but thats another issue also !

I have no grief with a player wanting to know the direction and management before signing. That's just good diligence. I would never criticise a player for wanting to see what Tigers did re the head coach.

What I can't cop is the "leaving to play finals football" malarkey. We've already gone through many examples of players who did that and didn't play finals footy, and players that were moved on against their will and ended up at winning sides. You just can't be sure in football that your team is gonna make it, it's all just gambling.

Thurston, Gallen - they barely had good players around. They were pillars upon which the club added good players, to build the right side. Gallen's been in the run-on side since 2002 and Sharks played finals 7 times during those 15 years (< 50%).

To win a comp you need everything to line up, as we know - the talent, the form, the lack of injuries, the belief/confidence.

If you think you are worth $1M but you don't think you can play finals at your current club, then sorry you aren't work $1M. $1M buys the players who take teams to finals. If you just want to have a bit more feedback about the direction the club is taking, that's fine, you want to have some confidence that the club is moving in the right direction.

But you know, approaching $1M, very few clubs can afford that and must themselves have big holes in their roster to make that space. If you want to join a club that is a strong finals chance, odds are that club is already balanced, with high quality and high price players, the cap being mostly used up.

Benji has joined a team with a rich history of playing finals footy, and he's likely to watch from the stands after he showers from his Redcliffe Dolphins match.

I will add just one thing to your post jirskyr …Benji maybe watching from the stands,however Moses has not done 1/10 th the amount of winning plays and brilliance Benji has done during his career...Benji was brilliant at a very young age and made a successful career out of the NRL..
Moses has down bugger all and yet demands big dollars....and don't forget the rep games Benji played for NZ...

 

[NT_Tiger]

I think JT echoed what a lot of fans think - you want to play finals football? Make it happen, the club wants to pay you to do that.

Don't be a cop-out and say you need to find another club to get there. That's just admitting you aren't good enough to take this team to the finals, you need to surround yourself with other players (*cough* Mitchell Moses *cough*) to make it.

Hits the nail on the head.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

under the coach, they didnt perform.

As for the finals footy comment -again - maybe this is a indication of the coach and or the ability the coach and club have on attracting other quality players ?

Since 2012 they, being the players at the club, have not performed under 3 coaches and the club has not attracted any significant talent (externally). To me it's a systemic or cultural issue at the club, not the selection of coach.

 

[tigeress]

Jason gave his first interview on Fox earlier tonight. Was very dignified.

Said;

- Disappointed that Mitchell had chosen to leave the club
- Said Woods and Tedesco should re-sign as the club has shown a lot of faith in them.
- Said he was disappointed to hear talk of guys wanting to go to other clubs to play finals football - words to the effect 'missed out by only one game last year, season was hijacked by halves contract negotiations which have carried over to this year and said the boys should just sign and get on with playing footy'
- Said halves started playing better after contracts signed last year but that they dragged on as they have again this year.
- Found out about sacking by media

Sounded really frustrated at the extent of protracted contract talks and also mentioned the distraction caused by Tim Simona article pre Panthers game this year.

Classy guy irrespective of what his coaching record states.

I was very impressed with Jason Taylor in that interview. He said what we all believe about the 4\. He didn't run the club down at all (maybe he's relieved not to be there anymore) He did look very relaxed. Good on you Jason :righton:

 

[jirskyr]

under the coach, they didnt perform.

As for the finals footy comment -again - maybe this is a indication of the coach and or the ability the coach and club have on attracting other quality players ?

Since 2012 they, being the players at the club, have not performed under 3 coaches and the club has not attracted any significant talent (externally). To me it's a systemic or cultural issue at the club, not the selection of coach.

I do see where you are coming from, but how can it really be systematic to the club if we have changed coaches, management and players quite significantly during this whole period?

Go back even further, the club has a poor performance history. Has anyone who is there right now been at the Tigers for longer than 10 years, anyone at all? The lady who answers the phone? Chris Lawrence is the only one I can think of.

Unless the old brigade are teaching failure to the younger brigade before they move on, I can't see how such a small number of people, who change frequently, can set up something systematic. The club has less than 200 employees. Maybe I am missing something.

For example what impact can Benji Marshall have on Moses Suli? Or Ben Galea on Mitchell Moses?

I personally just think its two things - lack of money and essentials not lining up. Tigers have had two premiership-quality rosters, one of them won and one failed. Tigers have never been big spenders beyond the salary cap, we can't really be off-field innovators at this time, we can't afford the top coaches, machines, facilities. That definitely sets you back and there are small % differences between top athletes / sides and middling ones. However, with the example of facilities, are they enough to explain why the side cannot beating half the comp more than 3 times in 17 years?

 

[bobo125]

under the coach, they didnt perform.

As for the finals footy comment -again - maybe this is a indication of the coach and or the ability the coach and club have on attracting other quality players ?

Since 2012 they, being the players at the club, have not performed under 3 coaches and the club has not attracted any significant talent (externally). To me it's a systemic or cultural issue at the club, not the selection of coach.

I do see where you are coming from, but how can it really be systematic to the club if we have changed coaches, management and players quite significantly during this whole period?

Go back even further, the club has a poor performance history. Has anyone who is there right now been at the Tigers for longer than 10 years, anyone at all? The lady who answers the phone? Chris Lawrence is the only one I can think of.

Unless the old brigade are teaching failure to the younger brigade before they move on, I can't see how such a small number of people, who change frequently, can set up something systematic. The club has less than 200 employees. Maybe I am missing something.

For example what impact can Benji Marshall have on Moses Suli? Or Ben Galea on Mitchell Moses?

I personally just think its two things - lack of money and essentials not lining up. Tigers have had two premiership-quality rosters, one of them won and one failed. Tigers have never been big spenders beyond the salary cap, we can't really be off-field innovators at this time, we can't afford the top coaches, machines, facilities. That definitely sets you back and there are small % differences between top athletes / sides and middling ones. However, with the example of facilities, are they enough to explain why the side cannot beating half the comp more than 3 times in 17 years?

Look I do agree with some of what you have said but I still believe these guys are kids… they may be the best within this club but against gallen and the likes they are just kids
They don't have the footy experience at nrl level to carry a team... individually or collectively.

As for the wages... I mean that's just the market these days . The manager, who's available etc will determine what the market is and it's then the club to decide if the player is worth it.

I just believe, these kids are good - the 4 - but they 100% need quality experienced nrl players around them matched with a good coach and strong board / club

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Would have loved JT to have not held back on that show. He said something along lines of "I know what was said behind closed doors" or something to that effect, but he would not elaborate when asked to say what he knew. He made it pretty obvious IMO that he knew Woods and Tedesco especially had stitched him up behind his back and played a major part in him getting sacked. That was why he slipped into them regarding their umming and ahhing over contracts.
He obviously didn't unload because it wouldnt have looked good to any prospective employers within the NRL, but it would of been fascinating to hear him tell it straight what happened.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Would have loved JT to have not held back on that show. He said something along lines of "I know what was said behind closed doors" or something to that effect, but he would not elaborate when asked to say what he knew. He made it pretty obvious IMO that he knew Woods and Tedesco especially had stitched him up behind his back and played a major part in him getting sacked. That was why he slipped into them regarding their umming and ahhing over contracts.
He obviously didn't unload because it wouldnt have looked good to any prospective employers within the NRL, but it would of been fascinating to hear him tell it straight what happened.

Apparently already landed a media gig with Fox?

 

[jirskyr]

under the coach, they didnt perform.

As for the finals footy comment -again - maybe this is a indication of the coach and or the ability the coach and club have on attracting other quality players ?

Since 2012 they, being the players at the club, have not performed under 3 coaches and the club has not attracted any significant talent (externally). To me it's a systemic or cultural issue at the club, not the selection of coach.

I do see where you are coming from, but how can it really be systematic to the club if we have changed coaches, management and players quite significantly during this whole period?

Go back even further, the club has a poor performance history. Has anyone who is there right now been at the Tigers for longer than 10 years, anyone at all? The lady who answers the phone? Chris Lawrence is the only one I can think of.

Unless the old brigade are teaching failure to the younger brigade before they move on, I can't see how such a small number of people, who change frequently, can set up something systematic. The club has less than 200 employees. Maybe I am missing something.

For example what impact can Benji Marshall have on Moses Suli? Or Ben Galea on Mitchell Moses?

I personally just think its two things - lack of money and essentials not lining up. Tigers have had two premiership-quality rosters, one of them won and one failed. Tigers have never been big spenders beyond the salary cap, we can't really be off-field innovators at this time, we can't afford the top coaches, machines, facilities. That definitely sets you back and there are small % differences between top athletes / sides and middling ones. However, with the example of facilities, are they enough to explain why the side cannot beating half the comp more than 3 times in 17 years?

Look I do agree with some of what you have said but I still believe these guys are kids… they may be the best within this club but against gallen and the likes they are just kids
They don't have the footy experience at nrl level to carry a team... individually or collectively.

As for the wages... I mean that's just the market these days . The manager, who's available etc will determine what the market is and it's then the club to decide if the player is worth it.

I just believe, these kids are good - the 4 - but they 100% need quality experienced nrl players around them matched with a good coach and strong board / club

Well I agree with you. All this media frenzy is over the contracts of kids, not seasoned pros. But they are making salary claims that we normally associate with seasoned pros - $1M per year is currently reserved for guys like Cronk and Thurston.

Mitchell Moses apparently reckons Tigers can't provide him the roster to achieve his best. But when you swipe a large chunk of the salary cap yourself, what are your expectations exactly? The more money you want, the more the club relies on you for success.

If these kids were taking salary cuts to permit the club to build a better over-all roster, I'd be totally onboard. But they aren't, they are all asking for $700K+ per seasons. Only Brooks, if the reports are to be believed, has taken a step back and aligned with something more consistent with his current standing/ability.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Would have loved JT to have not held back on that show. He said something along lines of "I know what was said behind closed doors" or something to that effect, but he would not elaborate when asked to say what he knew. He made it pretty obvious IMO that he knew Woods and Tedesco especially had stitched him up behind his back and played a major part in him getting sacked. That was why he slipped into them regarding their umming and ahhing over contracts.
He obviously didn't unload because it wouldnt have looked good to any prospective employers within the NRL, but it would of been fascinating to hear him tell it straight what happened.

Apparently already landed a media gig with Fox?

Special comments or something for this Sunday's telecast isn't it? Surprised that Fox picked him up, maybe just got him on board for a week or two while he is current news.

 

[bobo125]

Since 2012 they, being the players at the club, have not performed under 3 coaches and the club has not attracted any significant talent (externally). To me it's a systemic or cultural issue at the club, not the selection of coach.

I do see where you are coming from, but how can it really be systematic to the club if we have changed coaches, management and players quite significantly during this whole period?

Go back even further, the club has a poor performance history. Has anyone who is there right now been at the Tigers for longer than 10 years, anyone at all? The lady who answers the phone? Chris Lawrence is the only one I can think of.

Unless the old brigade are teaching failure to the younger brigade before they move on, I can't see how such a small number of people, who change frequently, can set up something systematic. The club has less than 200 employees. Maybe I am missing something.

For example what impact can Benji Marshall have on Moses Suli? Or Ben Galea on Mitchell Moses?

I personally just think its two things - lack of money and essentials not lining up. Tigers have had two premiership-quality rosters, one of them won and one failed. Tigers have never been big spenders beyond the salary cap, we can't really be off-field innovators at this time, we can't afford the top coaches, machines, facilities. That definitely sets you back and there are small % differences between top athletes / sides and middling ones. However, with the example of facilities, are they enough to explain why the side cannot beating half the comp more than 3 times in 17 years?

Look I do agree with some of what you have said but I still believe these guys are kids… they may be the best within this club but against gallen and the likes they are just kids
They don't have the footy experience at nrl level to carry a team... individually or collectively.

As for the wages... I mean that's just the market these days . The manager, who's available etc will determine what the market is and it's then the club to decide if the player is worth it.

I just believe, these kids are good - the 4 - but they 100% need quality experienced nrl players around them matched with a good coach and strong board / club

Well I agree with you. All this media frenzy is over the contracts of kids, not seasoned pros. But they are making salary claims that we normally associate with seasoned pros - $1M per year is currently reserved for guys like Cronk and Thurston.

Mitchell Moses apparently reckons Tigers can't provide him the roster to achieve his best. But when you swipe a large chunk of the salary cap yourself, what are your expectations exactly? The more money you want, the more the club relies on you for success.

If these kids were taking salary cuts to permit the club to build a better over-all roster, I'd be totally onboard. But they aren't, they are all asking for $700K+ per seasons. Only Brooks, if the reports are to be believed, has taken a step back and aligned with something more consistent with his current standing/ability.

Yeah agree
This I where the club needed to be in top of its game plan
Good coach good direction and I believe what your saying could have been achieved
How is it Brad aurther did exactly that
Convince him to take 300k less to join parra
Salaries etc they just become a whinge point for us fans based on how well our club is doing but reality wise it's open season
I mean Ben hunt worth over $1m absolutely no way but the dragons are happy to pay …..
It's s side show away from the clowns in the tent

 

[PD77]

I'm far from a Taylor fan but that was a classy interview. He was spot on with his opinions yet didn't directly bag anyone when he certainly could have. As Ali G would say, RESPECT.

 

[bobo125]

Would have loved JT to have not held back on that show. He said something along lines of "I know what was said behind closed doors" or something to that effect, but he would not elaborate when asked to say what he knew. He made it pretty obvious IMO that he knew Woods and Tedesco especially had stitched him up behind his back and played a major part in him getting sacked. That was why he slipped into them regarding their umming and ahhing over contracts.
He obviously didn't unload because it wouldnt have looked good to any prospective employers within the NRL, but it would of been fascinating to hear him tell it straight what happened.

i dont know man… stitched up - thats a big call.
If the 4 of them had said we wont be signing if JT is coach - and then signed immediately once JT was punted, i would agree with you.

hearing that woods and teddy are looking at their options - i believe they are questioning if this is the club for their future / what ever the reasons are.

if it was just the coach, they would have signed.
the new coach comes with all of respect from anyone and everyone that is someone within the game

I dont believe woods or Teddy are the type of kids to get the coach sacked only to then walk away themselves.

 

[claws]

I would like to acknowledge the tenacity and perseverance of JT. The way he stuck to the boards and his vision in extreme circumstances. He came in with no money to spend and just fell short of getting us to the finals last year. We were tipped for the spoon. It reminds me of his time at Souths. On both occasions he has been sacked, knowing the following year he would be able to pick and choose his own quality players. Cleary, is now set to reap the rewards of all the ground work that JT and the board have undertaken. For this, I feel sorry for JT.

Cleary should be able to field a very competent and competitive team next year with all the extra money he has at his disposal. If we do not make the finals next year, questions must be asked? He has no monetary issues to deal with. I would also like to ask why no one has mentioned nepotism or boys club with Ivan's appointment and his connections with management? Go Weststigers!

 

[momo_amp_medo]

I watched with interest.
It's a pity that he did not achieve what he had in mind.
He was always behind the 8 ball with that roster and cap problems.
But in the end he failed to get any improvement in one essential are that we desperately required …. Defence!
And he paid the price.

 

[Snake]

Jason reads the 101 how not to burn bridges ..maybe a copy could be sent to someone on the Tigers roster!