Jimmy the jet??

[CarltonDry]

He has had some issues their is no doubt but he is also the 2nd fastest player in the game, played Origin in 2018 , would come cheap and is only 27. If he has his head on right then its a brilliant signing - if he doesn't then don't sign him

The old master coach couldn't get him right so how do you think Maguire will go 😂

 

[cochise]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.

If onfield success isn't in a football clubs strategic plan then were in a worse position then I thought.

The correct answer is he failed miserably a couple of years ago.

Depends who has responsibility for which areas.

 

[cochise]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


My point exactly. Why is the strategic plan top secret? Why isn’t a redacted form made public to members.
Just a few points?
Have we competed for premierships? Yes we have, but how can we gauge the success of goals if we don’t know what they are? I put it to you that we don’t know because nobody has the courage to put their kahoulies on the line.

In the past I have been involved in strategic planning, there is no reason why the strategic goals should not be made public, in fact I would encourage it. The strategies to achieve those goals would usually remain in house but the goals themselves should be public.

 

[hodgo]

I reckon we should batch about the past some more that will be new and different

 

[Aubanon]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


If they were
* Being CEO of a Club that hasn’t finished in the top half of a 16 team Comp for the entirety of your tenure
*Being suspended for 6 months because you bungled a deal with a player
*That error hampering our Cap by over $600k over 2 seasons

Then he’s nailed it


He has 'achieved' all that and more. You left out he gave total power to his mate to sign up all his manager's clients on huge deals, rat on us and leave us with years of cap hell.

People rush to defend him though, and that is fine.

My only question to them is would Pascoe, with his record, have kept his job for so long at another club?
Would another club be fine with the way he presents himself? Would another club have accepted the self inflicted errors and the long term pandering to a bunch of largely unsuccessful senior players?

I would venture to say the answer would be 'no'.

Didn't realise Pascoe missed tackles

 

[cochise]

This forum has managed to sway my mind multiple times re:Mansour and Roberts but it's now starting to become more of a sinking feeling.
Ofcourse nothing's guaranteed but can't help but have the strong suspicion we're repeating a very negative habit.
Frankly I see the appeal with both but don't enjoy the knock-on effect from poor decision making from management - who are supposed to be the pinnacle or top of our leadership.
It's done nothing but impact our productivity and left us vulnerable on all levels (from recruitment to onfield).


I agree somewhat. I can’t seem to get a line on the recruitment strategy? My logic may be way off mark, but I would have thought we would start with a vision of what a premiership team looks like. Then a profile of each member of the team. Followed by a search and sign mission. Now some of those players may be under our noses but fewer of them will be tried players rejected by their clubs.

That is exactly what we have done, just having trouble attracting the players we need.

 

[cochise]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


If they were
* Being CEO of a Club that hasn’t finished in the top half of a 16 team Comp for the entirety of your tenure
*Being suspended for 6 months because you bungled a deal with a player
*That error hampering our Cap by over $600k over 2 seasons

Then he’s nailed it


He has 'achieved' all that and more. You left out he gave total power to his mate to sign up all his manager's clients on huge deals, rat on us and leave us with years of cap hell.

People rush to defend him though, and that is fine.

My only question to them is would Pascoe, with his record, have kept his job for so long at another club?
Would another club be fine with the way he presents himself? Would another club have accepted the self inflicted errors and the long term pandering to a bunch of largely unsuccessful senior players?

I would venture to say the answer would be 'no'.

The CEO is usually implementing the vision of the board.

 

[gallagher]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.

If onfield success isn't in a football clubs strategic plan then were in a worse position then I thought.

The correct answer is he failed miserably a couple of years ago.

Depends who has responsibility for which areas.

The NRL investigation come up with him being responsible.

 

[Aubanon]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.

If onfield success isn't in a football clubs strategic plan then were in a worse position then I thought.

The correct answer is he failed miserably a couple of years ago.

Depends who has responsibility for which areas.

The NRL investigation come up with him being responsible.

And if he was REALLY responsible, he would have been given the flick.

Instead he took one for the team

 

[gallagher]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.

If onfield success isn't in a football clubs strategic plan then were in a worse position then I thought.

The correct answer is he failed miserably a couple of years ago.

Depends who has responsibility for which areas.

The NRL investigation come up with him being responsible.

And if he was REALLY responsible, he would have been given the flick.

Instead he took one for the team

I'm happy to be told correctly then. Who was it?

 

[avocadoontoast]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.

If onfield success isn't in a football clubs strategic plan then were in a worse position then I thought.

The correct answer is he failed miserably a couple of years ago.

Depends who has responsibility for which areas.

The NRL investigation come up with him being responsible.

And if he was REALLY responsible, he would have been given the flick.

Instead he took one for the team

Didn’t he admit guilt?

 

[Aubanon]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.

If onfield success isn't in a football clubs strategic plan then were in a worse position then I thought.

The correct answer is he failed miserably a couple of years ago.

Depends who has responsibility for which areas.

The NRL investigation come up with him being responsible.

And if he was REALLY responsible, he would have been given the flick.

Instead he took one for the team

Didn’t he admit guilt?

Like a team player

 

[cochise]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.

If onfield success isn't in a football clubs strategic plan then were in a worse position then I thought.

The correct answer is he failed miserably a couple of years ago.

Depends who has responsibility for which areas.

The NRL investigation come up with him being responsible.

Mate, I have bagged him over the Farah situation more than anyone on here, you know that. He was incredibly lucky to keep his job after that, but I am not going to sit here and bag him for things that probably aren't his area of responsibility

 

[avocadoontoast]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.

If onfield success isn't in a football clubs strategic plan then were in a worse position then I thought.

The correct answer is he failed miserably a couple of years ago.

Depends who has responsibility for which areas.

The NRL investigation come up with him being responsible.

And if he was REALLY responsible, he would have been given the flick.

Instead he took one for the team

Didn’t he admit guilt?

Like a team player

So he took the fall for someone else? Who?

 

[gallagher]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.

If onfield success isn't in a football clubs strategic plan then were in a worse position then I thought.

The correct answer is he failed miserably a couple of years ago.

Depends who has responsibility for which areas.

The NRL investigation come up with him being responsible.

Mate, I have bagged him over the Farah situation more than anyone on here, you know that. He was incredibly lucky to keep his job after that, but I am not going to sit here and bag him for things that probably aren't his area of responsibility

Fair enough. I believe everything comes back to the CEO

 

[cochise]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.

If onfield success isn't in a football clubs strategic plan then were in a worse position then I thought.

The correct answer is he failed miserably a couple of years ago.

Depends who has responsibility for which areas.

The NRL investigation come up with him being responsible.

Mate, I have bagged him over the Farah situation more than anyone on here, you know that. He was incredibly lucky to keep his job after that, but I am not going to sit here and bag him for things that probably aren't his area of responsibility

Fair enough. I believe everything comes back to the CEO

I know you do, I think a modern day football club is a little more complex than most businesses. I really think the only way to be successful is to have a CEO responsible for the business and a General Manager just below him who is responsible for the football side of the business. I believe we finally have that structure in place.

 

[gallagher]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.

If onfield success isn't in a football clubs strategic plan then were in a worse position then I thought.

The correct answer is he failed miserably a couple of years ago.

Depends who has responsibility for which areas.

The NRL investigation come up with him being responsible.

And if he was REALLY responsible, he would have been given the flick.

Instead he took one for the team

Sounds like he's unsackable if he had the dirt on bosrd members. That would explain a bit

 

[gallagher]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.

If onfield success isn't in a football clubs strategic plan then were in a worse position then I thought.

The correct answer is he failed miserably a couple of years ago.

Depends who has responsibility for which areas.

The NRL investigation come up with him being responsible.

Mate, I have bagged him over the Farah situation more than anyone on here, you know that. He was incredibly lucky to keep his job after that, but I am not going to sit here and bag him for things that probably aren't his area of responsibility

Fair enough. I believe everything comes back to the CEO

I know you do, I think a modern day football club is a little more complex than most businesses. I really think the only way to be successful is to have a CEO responsible for the business and a General Manager just below him who is responsible for the football side of the business. I believe we finally have that structure in place.

Hartigan? I really hope so. I guess it's just we've gone from JAC to Roberts in a few days. Very disappointing

 

[cochise]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.

If onfield success isn't in a football clubs strategic plan then were in a worse position then I thought.

The correct answer is he failed miserably a couple of years ago.

Depends who has responsibility for which areas.

The NRL investigation come up with him being responsible.

Mate, I have bagged him over the Farah situation more than anyone on here, you know that. He was incredibly lucky to keep his job after that, but I am not going to sit here and bag him for things that probably aren't his area of responsibility

Fair enough. I believe everything comes back to the CEO

I know you do, I think a modern day football club is a little more complex than most businesses. I really think the only way to be successful is to have a CEO responsible for the business and a General Manager just below him who is responsible for the football side of the business. I believe we finally have that structure in place.

Hartigan? I really hope so. I guess it's just we've gone from JAC to Roberts in a few days. Very disappointing

As I keep saying I won't judge them on who we miss in recruitment, but I will judge them on who they do sign. I can cop Roberts at $130k, much more then that then I'll have some issues with it.

 

[hobbo1]

Gee I’m glad our coaching staff don’t take much notice of what some rocket scientist on here come up with.
If I was coach and had some young players with nothing more than potential on the roster (like we have) and players such as Roberts and Mansour are available on the cheap than I would definitely take a risk and sign them.
Yes 2 year max, and let’s face it if they can’t handle it they are both only one breakdown away from medical retirement so very low risk.
These Guys are first grade ready and alternative option to fill our roster with large % of young & untried at first grade level players is fine but don’t expect any great team improvement short term.

You want to buy blokes you know are one injury away from retirement? One that had been shown the door at every club he's been at?
Low ceiling mate

To be fair, every player in the league could be one injury away from retirement
Tuiaki and Dwyer both great players and young but retired due to injury
It can happen to anyone
But signing a player who has had repetitive injuries to the same area such as continually tearing calf muscles or chronic shoulder injuries is a different story
Nether Roberts or Mansour fall into this category
The issue with Roberts is wether he has his mind in the game or elsewhere
That is something that the club MUST consider very carefully
If they sign Roberts and he lets us down of the field, then heads in the front office must roll
They need to make dam sure he is ready for football
Why doesn’t the club call Bennett for his opinion on signing Roberts
Its quite interesting if you think about it
Does Bennett put a good word in for him, and by doing so could disprove the reason for a souths release
Or does he say stay away because his head is not in it


So where has the heads rolled when we signed the following,
Mybe, Reynolds, Packer???? (Admin Wise)
Pascoe has been here since 2015 and looking like has learned nothing when it comes to recruiting.

All these players above were signed on these $ on his watch???
Then he cost us $675k Salary cap over 2 years with the Robbie Farah ambassador role???? The issue is at the top if we sign these type of players.

**Pascoe Signing story.**

It had taken the Tigers three months to find their man, however club chair Marina Go described Pascoe as the best candidate for the job.

"Justin's experience both here in Australia and overseas across a number of positions means that he brings a unique set of skills to Wests Tigers," she said.

"And we look forward to him joining the club and working with us to achieve the lofty goals set out in our strategic plan.

"The appointment of Justin is another step that the club has made towards building a winning culture that is focused on performance outcomes.

"We are committed to building a successful club that will compete for premierships."

Appointment in 2015, how have we fared.....?????

Would need to know what the goals were from the Strategic Plan and if he achieved them.


If they were
* Being CEO of a Club that hasn’t finished in the top half of a 16 team Comp for the entirety of your tenure
*Being suspended for 6 months because you bungled a deal with a player
*That error hampering our Cap by over $600k over 2 seasons

Then he’s nailed it


He has 'achieved' all that and more. You left out he gave total power to his mate to sign up all his manager's clients on huge deals, rat on us and leave us with years of cap hell.

People rush to defend him though, and that is fine.

My only question to them is would Pascoe, with his record, have kept his job for so long at another club?
Would another club be fine with the way he presents himself? Would another club have accepted the self inflicted errors and the long term pandering to a bunch of largely unsuccessful senior players?

I would venture to say the answer would be 'no'.

The CEO is usually implementing the vision of the board.

The board need to go to specsavers