Josh Addo Carr Contract Discussion

[cochise]

We have all the money but no one wants to come here.

I think we should temper this summation. There were very few off contract players this off season, the majority of players prefer to stay with their current club plus the Tigers need to be selective about their signings, not just grab anyone. Ever the optimist, I think our opportunities will come. We just need to be patient.

Fair, and it's 100% frustration from my end.

But after Matterson (and letting go of Esan) we really needed a win, and so far it's been disappointing. Luciano is a good signing don't get me wrong, but we lack a game breaker and I was hoping we'd get one this off-season.

Still plenty of time to go.

My Biggest Frustration is the fact we released Matterson & Marsters without getting anything back or having replacements in place. I think if we played hardball we would of got something or held off until we had replacements but also understand why we did this.
I think we will regret the Marsters one as he was injured last year and him been fully fit will be back to his best..

We did not get nothing. We received full value of his contract plus 3-4 months of this yers salary which the club would be up for while negotiating a suitable release deal.
So on my maths that’s around +$500k.
Hardly nothing.

Not much use when it is sitting there unspent, historically there is not much movement on squads at this time of year!

I agree, with everyone now back after the new year squads are being finalised. Hard to imagine any more major moves we're now in Jan. Bit of a shame, after freeing up all that cash I was getting excited for 2020. Looks like we'll be also rans yet again.

Also disappointed we didn't land the biggest fish, though reckon there is still a fluid market in play at the moment and we are a player in it.

When is there ever a fluid market in January?

Right now. The landscape is still in the process of change in evolving from the reasonably fresh November 1 rule. Plenty of time left for clubs and players wanting to switch rosters and then adapt to a new environment.

Edit; It must be remembered that this is the first full season to which the rules apply, as it wasn't inplace on November 1st 2018, only in 2019.

There will be minimal movement at this point in the year as it is too disruptive to squads, 1 to 2 players max and unlikely to be the high caliber players that we need. In any rate if we fluke getting a player of note at this point of the year it will be because of decisions of other clubs, we need to be putting ourselves in a stronger position then having to rely on other clubs.

 

[tiga4eva]

I don't know how the Club can explain to members we had between $1.5 and $1.7m available to spend, and are only able to promote development players. No amount of spin could justify that,given the release of Marsters and Matterson. I'm still praying for something favourable

 

[Tiger5150]

I don't know how the Club can explain to members we had between $1.5 and $1.7m available to spend, and are only able to promote development players. No amount of spin could justify that,given the release of Marsters and Matterson. I'm still praying for something favourable

I think most here have the wrong idea about this.

Everyone is saying "We had $1.5M to spend and we signed noone...Its a catastrophe!!"

For mine its actually an encouraging sign. In past years we would definitely have spent all of that money and filled the roster with dross.

It is ridiculous to keep crying the sky is falling. Yes obviously Mitchell, Arrow didnt want to come here, but its rubbish to say no one would come here for the $, there is just no one else worth the $$.

Surely we all still remember Reynolds, Packer & Mbye

 

[trentrunciman]

i'm not sure how the salary cap works. But if there is a lot left in the cap for the tigers can they just use it to pay players currenlty on contract? so in future years we can use it to buy players?

 

[Tiger5150]

i'm not sure how the salary cap works. But if there is a lot left in the cap for the tigers can they just use it to pay players currenlty on contract? so in future years we can use it to buy players?

Yes, and I think this is exactly what will happen. We also need to fill the roster spots though and I can see them being filled with development players

 

[cochise]

i'm not sure how the salary cap works. But if there is a lot left in the cap for the tigers can they just use it to pay players currenlty on contract? so in future years we can use it to buy players?


Yes, and I think this is exactly what will happen. We also need to fill the roster spots though and I can see them being filled with development players

Apparently you cannot do that any longer!

 

[bigsiro]

I don't know how the Club can explain to members we had between $1.5 and $1.7m available to spend, and are only able to promote development players. No amount of spin could justify that,given the release of Marsters and Matterson. I'm still praying for something favourable

THIS

 

[Tiger5150]

i'm not sure how the salary cap works. But if there is a lot left in the cap for the tigers can they just use it to pay players currenlty on contract? so in future years we can use it to buy players?


Yes, and I think this is exactly what will happen. We also need to fill the roster spots though and I can see them being filled with development players

Apparently you cannot do that any longer!

You definitely can. I think some here are getting confused because you can no longer BACKend contracts.

 

[cochise]

i'm not sure how the salary cap works. But if there is a lot left in the cap for the tigers can they just use it to pay players currenlty on contract? so in future years we can use it to buy players?


Yes, and I think this is exactly what will happen. We also need to fill the roster spots though and I can see them being filled with development players

Apparently you cannot do that any longer!


You definitely can. I think some here are getting confused because you can no longer BACKend contracts.

Yeah I'm only going off what someone said here but they said any restructuring needs to be approved by the NRL

 

[trentrunciman]

i'm not sure how the salary cap works. But if there is a lot left in the cap for the tigers can they just use it to pay players currenlty on contract? so in future years we can use it to buy players?


Yes, and I think this is exactly what will happen. We also need to fill the roster spots though and I can see them being filled with development players

Apparently you cannot do that any longer!


You definitely can. I think some here are getting confused because you can no longer BACKend contracts.

if that's possible (front end) then i can only see that as a positive. Sign away end of 2020 and 2021! :face_with_cowboy_hat: :+1: :+1: :+1: :call_me_hand: :call_me_hand: :clap: :clap: :call_me_hand: :call_me_hand:

 

[Tiger5150]

i'm not sure how the salary cap works. But if there is a lot left in the cap for the tigers can they just use it to pay players currenlty on contract? so in future years we can use it to buy players?


Yes, and I think this is exactly what will happen. We also need to fill the roster spots though and I can see them being filled with development players

Apparently you cannot do that any longer!


You definitely can. I think some here are getting confused because you can no longer BACKend contracts.

if that's possible (front end) then i can only see that as a positive. Sign away end of 2020 and 2021! :face_with_cowboy_hat: :+1: :+1: :+1: :call_me_hand: :call_me_hand: :clap: :clap: :call_me_hand: :call_me_hand:

I agree with you and think that is what will happen, but the other side of that coin is we fill the rest of the roster for 2020 with cheap/development players and it could be seen as sacrificing 2020 for future years.

 

[cochise]

i'm not sure how the salary cap works. But if there is a lot left in the cap for the tigers can they just use it to pay players currenlty on contract? so in future years we can use it to buy players?


Yes, and I think this is exactly what will happen. We also need to fill the roster spots though and I can see them being filled with development players

Apparently you cannot do that any longer!


You definitely can. I think some here are getting confused because you can no longer BACKend contracts.

if that's possible (front end) then i can only see that as a positive. Sign away end of 2020 and 2021! :face_with_cowboy_hat: :+1: :+1: :+1: :call_me_hand: :call_me_hand: :clap: :clap: :call_me_hand: :call_me_hand:


I agree with you and think that is what will happen, but the other side of that coin is we fill the rest of the roster for 2020 with cheap/development players and it could be seen as sacrificing 2020 for future years.

After our past 9 years we shouldn't be sacrificing any years, we need to do better than that!

 

[avocadoontoast]

i'm not sure how the salary cap works. But if there is a lot left in the cap for the tigers can they just use it to pay players currenlty on contract? so in future years we can use it to buy players?


Yes, and I think this is exactly what will happen. We also need to fill the roster spots though and I can see them being filled with development players

Apparently you cannot do that any longer!


You definitely can. I think some here are getting confused because you can no longer BACKend contracts.

if that's possible (front end) then i can only see that as a positive. Sign away end of 2020 and 2021! :face_with_cowboy_hat: :+1: :+1: :+1: :call_me_hand: :call_me_hand: :clap: :clap: :call_me_hand: :call_me_hand:


I agree with you and think that is what will happen, but the other side of that coin is we fill the rest of the roster for 2020 with cheap/development players and it could be seen as sacrificing 2020 for future years.

Sacrificing 2020 is unacceptable imo. Not good enough and questions should be asked.

 

[jirskyr]

I don't know how the Club can explain to members we had between $1.5 and $1.7m available to spend, and are only able to promote development players. No amount of spin could justify that,given the release of Marsters and Matterson. I'm still praying for something favourable

Pretty easy to explain actually.

Firstly we've signed 2 players - Big Lucy and Stefano, obv the latter for 2021 at this stage.

Marsters released 10/Oct/19
Matterson released 31/Oct/19
Matulino medically retired 31/Oct/19

The rep season finished on 16/Nov/19, with the Kangaroos playing their last test on 02/Nov/19.

That whole period, up to today 13/Jan/20, is 10.57 weeks. Leaving in the rep season but accounting for at least the 2 weeks of Christmas and NY that's basically 8 weeks. Taking out the rep season, i.e. your window for test match players, you only get 6 weeks.

You therefore are having to line up players who are willing and able to move clubs in a 6-8 week period, because the Tigers couldn't guarantee this cap space would be available - Marsters had to be taken on, Mats had to be rubber-stamped and Matterson they did not want to lose.

I said this before, since 01/Nov/19 only 16 players have joined new NRL clubs for 2020:
Matterson (3 years)
Enari Tuala (1 year)
Isaac Luke (1 year)
Val Holmes (6 years)
Kurt Capewell (2 years)
Brodie Croft (3 years)
Merrin (2 years)
Big Lucy (3 years)
Ryley Jacks (1 year)
Cameron King (1 year)
Zane Tetevano (2 years)
Gehamat Shibasaki (3 years)
Brock Lamb (2 years development)
Brayden Wiliame (2 years)
Jonus Pearson (2 years)
Tyrell Fuimaono (2 years)

Assuming you add Latrell this month, you honestly have 4 "bigger-name" players taking on new deals for 2020 - Latrell, Croft, Holmes and Matterson. Only 2 of those are legitimate top-tier footballers.

The rest of the signatures are middle-ground to bit-player at most.

Looking specifically at the details - Croft was a direct trade Storm to Broncos, Holmes only ever spoke with Sharks and Cowboys (according to accounts), Latrell we were right in the mix for and Matterson we had to lose.

I really don't know what you expect the club to do, it's like the cap space is burning a hole in your pocket. The point has already been made, last time we had a chunk of cap space available (arguably every time we've had a chunk of space available, casting back to 2000) we've spent it very poorly.

It has been 8 WEEKS. 8 weeks including Christmas. We went hard for Latrell, reportedly made an offer for Arrow and signed two other footballers in that period. Latrell wants to be at Souths and so does Arrow. Nobody else signed those players, just Souths.

Just because there's cap space you don't have to rush out to spend it, and it's unrealistic to expect a raft of signings in the offseason. Sometimes the offseason has horse trade, sometimes it doesn't, depending on who is available, what pieces are being shuffled around and what players/clubs are actually willing to talk terms for 2021.

 

[Telltails]

I don't know how the Club can explain to members we had between $1.5 and $1.7m available to spend, and are only able to promote development players. No amount of spin could justify that,given the release of Marsters and Matterson. I'm still praying for something favourable

Pretty easy to explain actually.

Firstly we've signed 2 players - Big Lucy and Stefano, obv the latter for 2021 at this stage.

Marsters released 10/Oct/19
Matterson released 31/Oct/19
Matulino medically retired 31/Oct/19

The rep season finished on 16/Nov/19, with the Kangaroos playing their last test on 02/Nov/19.

That whole period, up to today 13/Jan/20, is 10.57 weeks. Leaving in the rep season but accounting for at least the 2 weeks of Christmas and NY that's basically 8 weeks. Taking out the rep season, i.e. your window for test match players, you only get 6 weeks.

You therefore are having to line up players who are willing and able to move clubs in a 6-8 week period, because the Tigers couldn't guarantee this cap space would be available - Marsters had to be taken on, Mats had to be rubber-stamped and Matterson they did not want to lose.

I said this before, since 01/Nov/19 only 16 players have joined new NRL clubs for 2020:
Matterson (3 years)
Enari Tuala (1 year)
Isaac Luke (1 year)
Val Holmes (6 years)
Kurt Capewell (2 years)
Brodie Croft (3 years)
Merrin (2 years)
Big Lucy (3 years)
Ryley Jacks (1 year)
Cameron King (1 year)
Zane Tetevano (2 years)
Gehamat Shibasaki (3 years)
Brock Lamb (2 years development)
Brayden Wiliame (2 years)
Jonus Pearson (2 years)
Tyrell Fuimaono (2 years)

Assuming you add Latrell this month, you honestly have 4 "bigger-name" players taking on new deals for 2020 - Latrell, Croft, Holmes and Matterson. Only 2 of those are legitimate top-tier footballers.

The rest of the signatures are middle-ground to bit-player at most.

Looking specifically at the details - Croft was a direct trade Storm to Broncos, Holmes only ever spoke with Sharks and Cowboys (according to accounts), Latrell we were right in the mix for and Matterson we had to lose.

I really don't know what you expect the club to do, it's like the cap space is burning a hole in your pocket. The point has already been made, last time we had a chunk of cap space available (arguably every time we've had a chunk of space available, casting back to 2000) we've spent it very poorly.

It has been 8 WEEKS. 8 weeks including Christmas. We went hard for Latrell, reportedly made an offer for Arrow and signed two other footballers in that period. Latrell wants to be at Souths and so does Arrow. Nobody else signed those players, just Souths.

Just because there's cap space you don't have to rush out to spend it, and it's unrealistic to expect a raft of signings in the offseason. Sometimes the offseason has horse trade, sometimes it doesn't, depending on who is available, what pieces are being shuffled around and what players/clubs are actually willing to talk terms for 2021.

Thank you for putting that together - gives some perspective.

 

[cqtiger]

We have all the money but no one wants to come here.

I think we should temper this summation. There were very few off contract players this off season, the majority of players prefer to stay with their current club plus the Tigers need to be selective about their signings, not just grab anyone. Ever the optimist, I think our opportunities will come. We just need to be patient.

Fair, and it's 100% frustration from my end.

But after Matterson (and letting go of Esan) we really needed a win, and so far it's been disappointing. Luciano is a good signing don't get me wrong, but we lack a game breaker and I was hoping we'd get one this off-season.

Still plenty of time to go.

My Biggest Frustration is the fact we released Matterson & Marsters without getting anything back or having replacements in place. I think if we played hardball we would of got something or held off until we had replacements but also understand why we did this.
I think we will regret the Marsters one as he was injured last year and him been fully fit will be back to his best..

We did not get nothing. We received full value of his contract plus 3-4 months of this yers salary which the club would be up for while negotiating a suitable release deal.
So on my maths that’s around +$500k.
Hardly nothing.

i think what he meant is that we released two of our starting first grade players and have been unable to use the money to strengthen our lineup. Leilua is a fine signing but he is not top line. Not meaning to be critical of the club but this offseason's recruitment (to date) has been a failure.

Yes but the fat lady did not do her performance yet!

Yah hoping we can announce Stefano a year earlier this week.

I’m pretty sure we’ll get him for this season but a blind man can see that Parra won’t release him until the very last minute. They’re only doing it so he isn’t training with our squad and learning our plays so when he eventually does come he will be at least a month away from being any sort of starting form.

 

[trentrunciman]

i'm not sure how the salary cap works. But if there is a lot left in the cap for the tigers can they just use it to pay players currenlty on contract? so in future years we can use it to buy players?


Yes, and I think this is exactly what will happen. We also need to fill the roster spots though and I can see them being filled with development players

Apparently you cannot do that any longer!


You definitely can. I think some here are getting confused because you can no longer BACKend contracts.

if that's possible (front end) then i can only see that as a positive. Sign away end of 2020 and 2021! :face_with_cowboy_hat: :+1: :+1: :+1: :call_me_hand: :call_me_hand: :clap: :clap: :call_me_hand: :call_me_hand:


I agree with you and think that is what will happen, but the other side of that coin is we fill the rest of the roster for 2020 with cheap/development players and it could be seen as sacrificing 2020 for future years.

Sacrificing 2020 is unacceptable imo. Not good enough and questions should be asked.

im ok with it mate. tanking for future success!

 

[avocadoontoast]

i'm not sure how the salary cap works. But if there is a lot left in the cap for the tigers can they just use it to pay players currenlty on contract? so in future years we can use it to buy players?


Yes, and I think this is exactly what will happen. We also need to fill the roster spots though and I can see them being filled with development players

Apparently you cannot do that any longer!


You definitely can. I think some here are getting confused because you can no longer BACKend contracts.

if that's possible (front end) then i can only see that as a positive. Sign away end of 2020 and 2021! :face_with_cowboy_hat: :+1: :+1: :+1: :call_me_hand: :call_me_hand: :clap: :clap: :call_me_hand: :call_me_hand:


I agree with you and think that is what will happen, but the other side of that coin is we fill the rest of the roster for 2020 with cheap/development players and it could be seen as sacrificing 2020 for future years.

Sacrificing 2020 is unacceptable imo. Not good enough and questions should be asked.

im ok with it mate. tanking for future success!

I am not ok with it whatsoever. It is completely unacceptable.

 

[JD Tiger]

All this talk about we didnt miss out on a lot of players as only so many players left their original club and went to another is flawed.

Just because they stayed with their club and didn't go to another doesnt mean we had no chance at them. Lomax stayed, but we should have still had a go at him, Brimson too. And if we did have a go at them, then we missed out, regardless of whether they choose another new club or their existing club over us.

 

[bigsiro]

i'm not sure how the salary cap works. But if there is a lot left in the cap for the tigers can they just use it to pay players currenlty on contract? so in future years we can use it to buy players?


Yes, and I think this is exactly what will happen. We also need to fill the roster spots though and I can see them being filled with development players

Apparently you cannot do that any longer!


You definitely can. I think some here are getting confused because you can no longer BACKend contracts.

if that's possible (front end) then i can only see that as a positive. Sign away end of 2020 and 2021! :face_with_cowboy_hat: :+1: :+1: :+1: :call_me_hand: :call_me_hand: :clap: :clap: :call_me_hand: :call_me_hand:


I agree with you and think that is what will happen, but the other side of that coin is we fill the rest of the roster for 2020 with cheap/development players and it could be seen as sacrificing 2020 for future years.

Sacrificing 2020 is unacceptable imo. Not good enough and questions should be asked.

im ok with it mate. tanking for future success!

Ermmmmm....what is the point of tanking if there isn’t a draft ????