Josh Aloiai #190

[Moh]

Can comfortably hate Josh and his bizarre views now.

But man, Manly have made some good signings to be fair. They should really improve next season.

He’s no AFB...josh has big shoes to fill

He's not, but hes a very solid player who could potentially get better. He was one of the hardest runners in our team.

Just cause he acted like a douche and is no longer with us, lets not pretend he isn't a good player.

He is not worth $600k

Nope, not even close. I'm more than happy with how its turned out for us.

But they have him for that much while fitting in a very decent team around him. They will be one of the big improvers IMO.

 

[cochise]

Can comfortably hate Josh and his bizarre views now.

But man, Manly have made some good signings to be fair. They should really improve next season.

He’s no AFB...josh has big shoes to fill

He's not, but hes a very solid player who could potentially get better. He was one of the hardest runners in our team.

Just cause he acted like a douche and is no longer with us, lets not pretend he isn't a good player.

He is not worth $600k

Nope, not even close. I'm more than happy with how its turned out for us.

But they have him for that much while fitting in a very decent team around him. They will be one of the big improvers IMO.

If they lose Turbo they will struggle again.

 

[twentyforty]

Manly appear to be creating 2 classes of player. “Well paid” and “not so well paid.”

 

[JD Tiger]

“As part of the release, Wests Tigers have also agreed to an undisclosed commercial settlement with Josh’s new club.“

They got something from manly, no idea what.

I doubt if we will ever know.

I previously stated as part of a previous post,

"As some others have said, if we do get something of significant value from Manly and it is not put out in the public for all to see, then it is a pretty bad look for us and our tough talking leaders".

The only conclusion I can draw from the current situation is that the compensation that we received from Manly was of such an insignificant amount that Wests Tigers management are too embarrassed to let us know and will no doubt use our chairman's legal expertise to claim that it is "Commercial in Confidence" or some similar cop out.

This comment drew a fair few down votes, as a lot of people don't agree with it. Personally I upvoted it. I upvoted it, not because I agree with it, though the same thought did cross my mind. I upvoted it because the person had the conviction to post something they thought. And even though it isn't popular, I want to encourage people to post what they think.

I don't know what criteria people use for down-voting, and that's up to them to do so however they choose. Personally (from my recollection) I generally only like using down-voting when I read someone having a dig at someone else. And I don't mean the playful state of origin digging, but what I think is a harsh dig.

I would also like to say, that this view here that so many people don't like, will most definitely be held by some non-WT supporters out there, fingers crossed hopefully not the majority. Fingers crossed not by too many in the media.

 

[cochise]

“As part of the release, Wests Tigers have also agreed to an undisclosed commercial settlement with Josh’s new club.“

They got something from manly, no idea what.

I doubt if we will ever know.

I previously stated as part of a previous post,

"As some others have said, if we do get something of significant value from Manly and it is not put out in the public for all to see, then it is a pretty bad look for us and our tough talking leaders".

The only conclusion I can draw from the current situation is that the compensation that we received from Manly was of such an insignificant amount that Wests Tigers management are too embarrassed to let us know and will no doubt use our chairman's legal expertise to claim that it is "Commercial in Confidence" or some similar cop out.

This comment drew a fair few down votes, as a lot of people don't agree with it. Personally I upvoted it. I upvoted it, not because I agree with it, though the same thought did cross my mind. I upvoted it because the person had the conviction to post something they thought. And even though it isn't popular, I want to encourage people to post what they think.

I don't know what criteria people use for down-voting, and that's up to them to do so however they choose. Personally (from my recollection) I generally only like using down-voting when I read someone having a dig at someone else. And I don't mean the playful state of origin digging, but what I think is a harsh dig.

I would also like to say, that this view here that so many people don't like, will most definitely be held by some non-WT supporters out there, fingers crossed hopefully not the majority. Fingers crossed not by too many in the media.

I agree with this post, I don't agree with Hank's thoughts on this issue at all and have been back and forth with him all day but I don't believe in down voting a post you disagree with.

 

[ElleryHanley]

Reality is Josh is undersized for the position. He could give you a great game, but never follow it up.

His main (good) traits were his heart and courage.

Those things are now debatable.

He leaves with very little credibility left, but when you factor in his 'views' on life he likely won't care what any of us think.

Bottom line is he was the pack leader for a year and bolted as soon as he could. I.e. not a leader.

Good riddance

 

[westy81]

Can comfortably hate Josh and his bizarre views now.

But man, Manly have made some good signings to be fair. They should really improve next season.

One less Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporter at the club ?‍♂️

He goes into the same bag with that other player matterson

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Manly appear to be creating 2 classes of player. “Well paid” and “not so well paid.”

We need to ensure Manly do not repeat the Aloiai behaviour. Our Chair by bringing this behaviour to V'landys' attention makes it very difficult for some action not to be taken.

 

[voice_of_reason]

JA plumbed the depths of human flaws and became a Sea Eagle. This thread should be closed - he's dead to us now.

 

[Tcat]

JA plumbed the depths of human flaws and became a Sea Eagle. This thread should be closed - he's dead to us now.

Yes yes yes. Do it and shut the JAC thread too. I know I know, I can ignore certain threads, but who wants to waste time talking about players that dont like our club or want to be here.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Can comfortably hate Josh and his bizarre views now.

But man, Manly have made some good signings to be fair. They should really improve next season.

He’s no AFB...josh has big shoes to fill

He's not, but hes a very solid player who could potentially get better. He was one of the hardest runners in our team.

Just cause he acted like a douche and is no longer with us, lets not pretend he isn't a good player.

He’s not a bad player, but it’s not like he’s lead us to the finals. I firmly believe he’s the kind of player that only the team he plays for’s supporters would give s second thought too. That’s why losing players like him hurts more sentimentally more than anything imo. Our pack looks stronger with Tamou and Offa.

 

[twentyforty]

I think this was very well handled by Tigers. If a contract is to mean something more than the paper it’s written on then it should have a monetary value. It’s probably unfair to fix that value by applying a standard mathematical calculation, so Clubs and agents negotiate on the value. It seems to be working. I guess we will always have contracts being broken, clubs reluctant to release valued players, and players agitating over that, presumably being encouraged by their agents.
I guess what I’m most happy about is that we appear to be steadily improving the squad.

 

[Spartan117]

This thread will die of now of its own accord.

For my my final words are those tinged with some sadness.

My family and I really connected with Josh A for some reason and were sad he isn't here to grow with the other forwards and JoeO. I dont begrudge him a better contract but it was handled poorly.

For the Tigers that's 3 (Moses, Matterson and JA). There are some lessons here

Tigers Forward pack is filling out nicely for the years to come.

 

[Nelson]

I just have a quick question. It may have already been raised but I haven't read back through all the posts, if so, my apologies.
Is there any inkling that Aloiai may have gotten his nose out of joint because WT signed Tamou and was pushed down in the rankings slightly?

Nope

:heavy_dollar_sign:

 

[Speed2burn]

the locker room on **Facebook**

There's your problem.

You edited out the part where I said it has the biggest following for league content. Even current NRL players are heavily affiliated with it

Yes Facebook/Instagram, but manipulation can hurt the club, and as it’s been made to believe...a toxic environment by a person who would have a significant backing by neutral RL fans and actual players

 

[jirskyr]

I'm glad this is sorted, there's a negative aspect of having the Aloiai situation hanging over the Tigers all offseason. It would be a media circus and potentially distracting, imagine if we had Josh A rocking up to training with his gear on but training separate to the other players. Or not turning up at all and Tigers having to go through the rigamarole of warning and fining him. Disruptive.

 

[twentyforty]

“As part of the release, Wests Tigers have also agreed to an undisclosed commercial settlement with Josh’s new club.“

They got something from manly, no idea what.

I doubt if we will ever know.

I previously stated as part of a previous post,

"As some others have said, if we do get something of significant value from Manly and it is not put out in the public for all to see, then it is a pretty bad look for us and our tough talking leaders".

The only conclusion I can draw from the current situation is that the compensation that we received from Manly was of such an insignificant amount that Wests Tigers management are too embarrassed to let us know and will no doubt use our chairman's legal expertise to claim that it is "Commercial in Confidence" or some similar cop out.

So you're saying we capitulated because we haven't disclosed the sum paid...

Yet you wouldn't question our professionalism if we aired the compensation paid to us?

Yes. I think we will find some sort of excuse or reason that we cannot disclose the amount, which I believe makes as look weak and as if we have once again rolled over.

If it was a significant amount (which I some how doubt) and there was not some sort of legal impediment to us disclosing the terms of the compensation, I think it would be very professional of us to disclose it as a deterrent to other clubs trying to encourage players to skip out on their contracts.

What if it was Manly that didn't want it disclosed?

It may very well have been Manly that didn't want it disclosed, but we have the legal eagle chairman who came out in the media all guns blazing and saying how we were going to get compensation for releasing Josh from his contract.

He's the one that should have taken a position of strength and written up a deal that made Manly admit that they were providing compensation to us and some sort of an indication that it wasn't just a small token amount.

We needed to really draw a line in the sand to show we aren't push overs.

Don't get me wrong, I think we have overall come out in front with this deal but we have been rolled in the past and we needed to take a really tough stance on this occasion so that it doesn't happen in the future and at the same time send a strong message to the NRL that changes need to be made and soon.

Hank, a lot of what’s negotiated is not publicly disclosed and for good reason. I would imagine that these sort of deals mostly have all parties walking away reasonably happy with the outcome. However, sometimes there may be big winners. Those who win big, I would think have had the courtesy to not follow up with publicly humiliating their opponent. Firstly, there’s no credibility and nothing to be gained. Secondly, you may need to sit across the table again one day.
We need to be good winners.

 

[jirskyr]

You edited out the part where I said it has the biggest following for league content. Even current NRL players are heavily affiliated with it

I didn't edit anything, I just intimated I had an issue with Facebook and people who post rumours on there without substantiation, to drive their own product and own advertising revenues.

Personally I don't care what's on Facebook or how it's manipulated by some random. All that matters for the Wests Tigers, wrt public opinion, is whether they can (a) grow the fanbase and (b) sell to the fanbase (memberships, merch, tix).

Sure, some folks will decide not to buy tickets or become members because of something they read on Facebook. But if those people can be turned so easily, by rumour and innuendo, you've already lost the battle trying to win them over anyway. There are people who still believe what Don Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon tweets, in spite of everything that's happened, and those folks are a lost cause.

If Tigers win football games, none of the other stuff matters, so the focus needs to be on winning football and not engaging with the noise that dominates the offseason.

 

[Speed2burn]

You edited out the part where I said it has the biggest following for league content. Even current NRL players are heavily affiliated with it

I didn't edit anything, I just intimated I had an issue with Facebook and people who post rumours on there without substantiation, to drive their own product and own advertising revenues.

Personally I don't care what's on Facebook or how it's manipulated by some random. All that matters for the Wests Tigers, wrt public opinion, is whether they can (a) grow the fanbase and (b) sell to the fanbase (memberships, merch, tix).

Sure, some folks will decide not to buy tickets or become members because of something they read on Facebook. But if those people can be turned so easily, by rumour and innuendo, you've already lost the battle trying to win them over anyway. There are people who still believe what Don Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon tweets, in spite of everything that's happened, and those folks are a lost cause.

If Tigers win football games, none of the other stuff matters, so the focus needs to be on winning football and not engaging with the noise that dominates the offseason.

Yeah fair point I suppose, being a tigers supporter has made us all thick skinned ?

 

[Tigerbuck63]

What i find interesting is an old article on NRL about why Matterson left the club.

Matterson is understood to still be in contact with the likes of Benji Marshall Alex Twal and childhood friend Josh Aloiai, though other Tigers are believed to still feel let down by his walk out.

Well 2 have already gone this last season......

Never said about $ but that's why Aloiai left so seems more likely now was all about $.