keepers

@madge said in [keepers](/post/1464876) said:
@tyga said in [keepers](/post/1464870) said:
Utoikamanu, Douihei, Blore, Twal, Laurie, Maumalo, Simpkin, Simpkins, Tuilagi, Madge, Luciano.

Get rid of tomorrow Brooks, Liddle, Tamou, Cini, Nofa, BJ, Chee Kam, Jet, Amone,

We need to bring in 5 Solid players to this roster to change anything.

We need to get rid of anyone that’s been here for a long time and not delivered. Nofa and Brooks are first out of concord. Tamou has to retire.

Where are these players going to come from though. Who would want to come here and why would they unless its for a retirement package or an opportunity.

The squad is young and has talent. It’s not a write off by any stretch. It will take time it was always going to. I would have dumped Nofa, Brooks, Mbye, Liddle way earlier and rebuilt.

The loafers were always going to make it come to this. Always a coach to deflect form ineptitude.
 
Stef - offer him 10 years and captaincy.

Laurie, AD, Talau, Blore, Simpkin, Liddle (game time better split), Luch (off the bench).

I feel like JTJ will be kept now that Talau is out a while. Plus, Madge speaks highly of him.
 
@moh said in [keepers](/post/1464890) said:
Stef - offer him 10 years and captaincy.

Laurie, AD, Talau, Blore, Simpkin, Liddle (game time better split), Luch (off the bench).

I feel like JTJ will be kept now that Talau is out a while. Plus, Madge speaks highly of him.

stef 10 years is like tamalolo 10yrs at cowboy
 
@tiger-woods said in [keepers](/post/1464839) said:
Most players are on thin ice
The review will hopefully weed out the bad apples 🙏

This is the abyss it seems we are without hope. That's whats super depressing that some games or in parts of games or some weeks all almost have merit for keeping.
But at other moments all look like bad apples so at the moment thinking the whole box has to go.
 
Great question.

The way I think is who would get us to top 4

Upgrade and lock in for 5 + years:
- Stephano

Right attitude- will be the core of our team but has still some learning to do:
- Laurie
- Doueihi
- Blore
- Taulagi
- Simpkin
- Seyfarth
- Hastings

Solid first grader, keep at good value:
- Twal
- Maumalo
- Mikaele

Has potential but needs to stay away from bad influences:
- Talau
- Kepaoa

Will hopefully come on in time:
- Tuki Simpkins
- Gildart

Dont keep-

Do they have the hunger, heart, desperation to bring us out of this mess?
- Brooks
- Nofa
- Joffa
- Luciano
- Garner
- Roberts
- musgrove
- tamou

Tries hard but not up to scratch for a top 4 team:
- Cini
- Amone
- Hoffman
- Liddle
- Madden

Already leaving
- MCK
- BJ
- Walters
- Mybe
- Packer

I have us keeping 15 and punting 18
 
@frullens said in [keepers](/post/1465088) said:
Great question.

The way I think is who would get us to top 4

Upgrade and lock in for 5 + years:
- Stephano

Right attitude- will be the core of our team but has still some learning to do:
- Laurie
- Doueihi
- Blore
- Taulagi
- Simpkin
- Seyfarth
- Hastings

Solid first grader, keep at good value:
- Twal
- Maumalo
- Mikaele

Has potential but needs to stay away from bad influences:
- Talau
- Kepaoa

Will hopefully come on in time:
- Tuki Simpkins
- Gildart

Dont keep-

Do they have the hunger, heart, desperation to bring us out of this mess?
- Brooks
- Nofa
- Joffa
- Luciano
- Garner
- Roberts
- musgrove
- tamou

Tries hard but not up to scratch for a top 4 team:
- Cini
- Amone
- Hoffman
- Liddle
- Madden

Already leaving
- MCK
- BJ
- Walters
- Mybe
- Packer

I have us keeping 15 and punting 18

That’s the definition of unrealistic right there. To think we can move on over half a dozen players who are contracted. This isn’t Supercoach where you can trade underperforming players
 
@gnr4life said in [keepers](/post/1465089) said:
@frullens said in [keepers](/post/1465088) said:
Great question.

The way I think is who would get us to top 4

Upgrade and lock in for 5 + years:
- Stephano

Right attitude- will be the core of our team but has still some learning to do:
- Laurie
- Doueihi
- Blore
- Taulagi
- Simpkin
- Seyfarth
- Hastings

Solid first grader, keep at good value:
- Twal
- Maumalo
- Mikaele

Has potential but needs to stay away from bad influences:
- Talau
- Kepaoa

Will hopefully come on in time:
- Tuki Simpkins
- Gildart

Dont keep-

Do they have the hunger, heart, desperation to bring us out of this mess?
- Brooks
- Nofa
- Joffa
- Luciano
- Garner
- Roberts
- musgrove
- tamou

Tries hard but not up to scratch for a top 4 team:
- Cini
- Amone
- Hoffman
- Liddle
- Madden

Already leaving
- MCK
- BJ
- Walters
- Mybe
- Packer

I have us keeping 15 and punting 18

That’s the definition of unrealistic right there. To think we can move on over half a dozen players who are contracted. This isn’t Supercoach where you can trade underperforming players

The topic is called keepers.

Most people have said 2 or 3 players.

I don't think we would put all next year.

But at end of contract, dont renew.
And maybe drop a few to reggies
 
Regarding the hooker/dh position in the current game.......
Just watch the hookers in the better teams and what they bring in value, structure in both A and D. The quality guys are running the team and plays as much as the halves. They are choosing where the ball goes, passing long and short, out in front and off the ground, they are making incisive runs and dictating ruck speed, they are bringing runners on to the ball or running to the line and ball playing, some are kicking well out of dh. They are leading the D and making the most tackles in a game every week.
Hate to say this but Liddle is well short of this. Capable of 1 or 2 decent breaks, but goes missing at dh more than any other hooker in the NRL and often for 2-3 tackles in the same set. His service is poor and passing game non existent, his D is questionable, his fitness is low, he can’t kick the football at all. I am not being nasty but honestly if we are looking at gaping faults in our squad and why we can’t compete, surely our spine is a good place to start.
Everybody has been riding Brooks, and rightly so, but compared to the top teams we have been short a decent full back and 5/8 for most games of this season as well. Laurie and AD might have played well enough a few times but both have a long way to go also.
 
Keepers are Stef (pay him whatever he wants forever), Laurie, Blore, Ken M, Twal, maybe Seyfarth. The rest are indifferent swill. Brooks has no future with this team.
 
@tigersj said in [keepers](/post/1465109) said:
Regarding the hooker/dh position in the current game.......
Just watch the hookers in the better teams and what they bring in value, structure in both A and D. The quality guys are running the team and plays as much as the halves. They are choosing where the ball goes, passing long and short, out in front and off the ground, they are making incisive runs and dictating ruck speed, they are bringing runners on to the ball or running to the line and ball playing, some are kicking well out of dh. They are leading the D and making the most tackles in a game every week.
Hate to say this but Liddle is well short of this. Capable of 1 or 2 decent breaks, **but goes missing at dh more than any other hooker in the NRL and often for 2-3 tackles in the same set.** His service is poor and passing game non existent, his D is questionable, his fitness is low, he can’t kick the football at all. I am not being nasty but honestly if we are looking at gaping faults in our squad and why we can’t compete, surely our spine is a good place to start.
Everybody has been riding Brooks, and rightly so, but compared to the top teams we have been short a decent full back and 5/8 for most games of this season as well. Laurie and AD might have played well enough a few times but both have a long way to go also.

Is this factual? or are you making it up?
 
@frullens said in [keepers](/post/1465088) said:
Great question.

The way I think is who would get us to top 4

Upgrade and lock in for 5 + years:
- Stephano

Right attitude- will be the core of our team but has still some learning to do:
- Laurie
- Doueihi
- Blore
- Taulagi
- Simpkin
- Seyfarth
- Hastings

Solid first grader, keep at good value:
- Twal
- Maumalo
- Mikaele

Has potential but needs to stay away from bad influences:
- Talau
- Kepaoa

Will hopefully come on in time:
- Tuki Simpkins
- Gildart

Dont keep-

Do they have the hunger, heart, desperation to bring us out of this mess?
- Brooks
- Nofa
- Joffa
- Luciano
- Garner
- Roberts
- musgrove
- tamou

Tries hard but not up to scratch for a top 4 team:
- Cini
- Amone
- Hoffman
- Liddle
- Madden

Already leaving
- MCK
- BJ
- Walters
- Mybe
- Packer

I have us keeping 15 and punting 18

Great summary abc seems spot on.
I would also punt Madge.
Was at the game yesterday down 16 - nil stef


@frullens said in [keepers](/post/1465088) said:
Great question.

The way I think is who would get us to top 4

Upgrade and lock in for 5 + years:
- Stephano

Right attitude- will be the core of our team but has still some learning to do:
- Laurie
- Doueihi
- Blore
- Taulagi
- Simpkin
- Seyfarth
- Hastings

Solid first grader, keep at good value:
- Twal
- Maumalo
- Mikaele

Has potential but needs to stay away from bad influences:
- Talau
- Kepaoa

Will hopefully come on in time:
- Tuki Simpkins
- Gildart

Dont keep-

Do they have the hunger, heart, desperation to bring us out of this mess?
- Brooks
- Nofa
- Joffa
- Luciano
- Garner
- Roberts
- musgrove
- tamou

Tries hard but not up to scratch for a top 4 team:
- Cini
- Amone
- Hoffman
- Liddle
- Madden

Already leaving
- MCK
- BJ
- Walters
- Mybe
- Packer

I have us keeping 15 and punting 18

Good review agree with comments, I would also punt Madge as well.
Was at the hand yesterday and down 16-nil Stefano was the only player talking in the middle
There is definitely a divide between the forwards and backs and those that have not played many games. Looked to me like a very disjointed team not playing gif each other and nil talk.
 
@tyga said in [keepers](/post/1464870) said:
Utoikamanu, Douihei, Blore, Twal, Laurie, Maumalo, Simpkin, Simpkins, Tuilagi, Madge, Luciano.

Get rid of tomorrow Brooks, Liddle, Tamou, Cini, Nofa, BJ, Chee Kam, Jet, Amone,

We need to bring in 5 Solid players to this roster to change anything.

We need to get rid of anyone that’s been here for a long time and not delivered. Nofa and Brooks are first out of concord. Tamou has to retire.

100% agree. Great post
 
No experienced leaders - and no good ones out there who want a bar of us - more inconsistent performances ahead.
The system makes us spend our cap - so we pay players good money that are not nearly good enough to compete at the level needed to fill the gaps.
I see no way out until we are able to bring through a group all together like the Panthers.
Can't see us holding onto Stefano at this point if he wants to reach his potential.
Maguire has just made the problem more evident and who ever replaces him will do so at their own peril.
 
@avocadoontoast said in [keepers](/post/1464832) said:
@harvey said in [keepers](/post/1464820) said:
To be honest, I am not convinced by any of them. It should not be hard to stand out in this rabble.

Stefano, Blore, Luci (in a different role), Liddle

Stefano, AD, Laurie and Blore imo

Yep the only ones worth keeping...
 
@tiger-woods said in [keepers](/post/1464839) said:
Most players are on thin ice
The review will hopefully weed out the bad apples 🙏

Good luck with that. Harold Holt-type dream imo.
 
Think this through a little different.

When the other clubs come knocking, How many will wanna stay at the Tigers???
 
@boonboon said in [keepers](/post/1464829) said:
Tom Mikaele. When most today made ni effort he made 140 meters and 33 tackles.

A few handling errors here and their but he makes more meters per run and per minute then any of our forwards and has had a 93% tackle effectiveness.

Was very lazy in defence in his first stint before he went off for a hia.
 
@spartan117 said in [keepers](/post/1465176) said:
Think this through a little different.

When the other clubs come knocking, How many will wanna stay at the Tigers???

On the other side of the coin....

How many clubs are lining up to sign guys like Zac "God of Park Footy" Cini or Tommy 10 mins Amone ?
 

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