Kelma Tuilagi

[TigerWest]

Shouldn't have Kelma got his own announcement

Slightly unprofessional

Now your just being picky happy ?

Well if I was Kelma's family or friends ...I'd have been let down

Its the little things really ...I bet the Storm or Roosters had a guy they saw moving to the next level the would make a bigger deal than we just did

It was a club option not like it's a new contract

**We have a reputation of a club which doesn't care** ...showing some love for someone the club has high hopes for in a position where we haven't had a real winner for a long time makes sense to me ...perception is the key

Never heard of that reputation? I think we have done very well with our guys coming from reserves to play in firsts?

Sitaleki ...ring a bell

Are you referring to Akauola? He played for us back in 2013-14?
Doesn’t say anything else, what happened?

 

[Bones]

Shouldn't have Kelma got his own announcement

Slightly unprofessional

Now your just being picky happy ?

Well if I was Kelma's family or friends ...I'd have been let down

Its the little things really ...I bet the Storm or Roosters had a guy they saw moving to the next level the would make a bigger deal than we just did

It was a club option not like it's a new contract

**We have a reputation of a club which doesn't care** ...showing some love for someone the club has high hopes for in a position where we haven't had a real winner for a long time makes sense to me ...perception is the key

Never heard of that reputation? I think we have done very well with our guys coming from reserves to play in firsts?

Sitaleki ...ring a bell

Are you referring to Akauola? He played for us back in 2013-14?
Doesn’t say anything else, what happened?

He left the club in 2015. In 2016 Wests Tigers were ranked number 2 in the NRL for player welfare ?‍♂️

https://www.zerotackle.com/wests-tigers-statement-2-24392/

 

[happy_tiger]

Shouldn't have Kelma got his own announcement

Slightly unprofessional

Now your just being picky happy ?

Well if I was Kelma's family or friends ...I'd have been let down

Its the little things really ...I bet the Storm or Roosters had a guy they saw moving to the next level the would make a bigger deal than we just did

It was a club option not like it's a new contract

**We have a reputation of a club which doesn't care** ...showing some love for someone the club has high hopes for in a position where we haven't had a real winner for a long time makes sense to me ...perception is the key

Never heard of that reputation? I think we have done very well with our guys coming from reserves to play in firsts?

Sitaleki ...ring a bell

I gotta admit, I’ve never heard of him or can’t remember at least, I’ll have to look him up. But hopefully he’s not the only one you are basing your comments on?

Matterson ,Moses ,Anasta where do you want me to stop

Players believe players .......

 

[Russell]

Like the prospect and potential but i dont see it yet.

Feel he has a way to go to get past the Blores and Garners etc.

Seen nothing to indicate Blore as a starter or benchie at this stage ,probably will be ,but I think Tuilagi has earnt his spot .


Well i see Blore and i see pure class. Tuilagi i see development and a long term plan.

Big difference.

I agree
Tuilagi looks like he will be a solid first grader,mind you I’m judging him off the 5 nsw cup games I’ve watched of him this season.
To me,Blore looks the next class above,has a certain athleticism about him.Every game he has played in first grade his presence is felt,
even last season against The Panthers he came on and tried his guts out when we had our backs against the wall.

Attack wise Tuilagi is ahead of Blore

Still wonder people have seen attack wise from Blore yet

Please post it ....

How about we focus on our defensive game for once? You’d think given the amount of points we concede, it might be a focus.

WTM what do u think about Madge handing over the reigns early,movinging into the office as culture morales etc overlord,brain's trust with Hartigan,football operations,

Do not think that suggestion has any merit at all - just my opinion.

 

[jirskyr]

At least there's a bunch of blokes down there who could come up and play physical. Seyfarth, Simpkins, Tuilagi, Dias, Musgrove.

It would be nice to see Zach get a game of firsts but he's an Adam Clune or Matt Frawley type. A fine backup. Madden has a lot more upside. And having seen most of their games this year I'd say that was Zach's best of the season on Thursday.


Austin Dias - love that name - reminds me of Martin Lang the way he just runs 100 mph in to the defence without any fear.

99 mph faster than Twal

Oi - Alex Twal does run at full-tilt into the opposition, it just so happens his top speed is 1 mph.

Sharon hits the line at a speedy 0.5 mph.

Slow or not I wouldn't mind the 115m he averages per game.


Just think how many more meters he would have made if he got out of a trot.He would have been the 2nd immortal to have played for the Tigers

He didn't always run back first into the D ...look at his early games he actually could bust the line wide open

Along with Payne Haas and Glenn Lazarus he was one of the best props I saw at 19 years of age ...people might hate him for leaving ...but he was damn good at an early age until someone gave him so stupid advice ....

I still remember his first Foundation Cup against Roosters, and we almost certainly lost, but I had heard of him, never seen him play before. Absolutely next-level prop at the time, for a young fellow.

 

[jirskyr]

Shouldn't have Kelma got his own announcement

Slightly unprofessional

Now your just being picky happy ?

Well if I was Kelma's family or friends ...I'd have been let down

Its the little things really ...I bet the Storm or Roosters had a guy they saw moving to the next level the would make a bigger deal than we just did

It was a club option not like it's a new contract

**We have a reputation of a club which doesn't care** ...showing some love for someone the club has high hopes for in a position where we haven't had a real winner for a long time makes sense to me ...perception is the key

Never heard of that reputation? I think we have done very well with our guys coming from reserves to play in firsts?

Sitaleki ...ring a bell

Are you referring to Akauola? He played for us back in 2013-14?
Doesn’t say anything else, what happened?

Nothing happened, Mick Potter played him on the wing for awhile (4 matches) in 2014 when we were super low on troops. He was previously playing second row and after debuting in 2013 played 10 games for us in 2014.

Tigers let him go or Penrith made a better offer, not sure which, and Akauola complained about his development being stymied by Tigers (he didn't use that word), how the coach treated his career, said something like he felt depressed and/or suicidal because of the lack of respect / consideration - or something to that effect.

Ended up at Penrith, only managed 21 games for Penrith in 2 seasons, only ever started once for them, only managed 7 games in 2017 before he was let go to UK.

Made a bit more of his career in UK playing for Warrington, known for some big collisions and very good mobility for a big strong guy. Warrington loaned him to Rochdale (second division) in 2019 and I don't think he's played a match since.

So unfortunately for the guy, no matter what he thinks about Mick Potter / West Tigers, he was given a good go at 3 clubs and made only a modest fist of it.

 

[jirskyr]

Shouldn't have Kelma got his own announcement

Slightly unprofessional

Now your just being picky happy ?

Well if I was Kelma's family or friends ...I'd have been let down

Its the little things really ...I bet the Storm or Roosters had a guy they saw moving to the next level the would make a bigger deal than we just did

It was a club option not like it's a new contract

**We have a reputation of a club which doesn't care** ...showing some love for someone the club has high hopes for in a position where we haven't had a real winner for a long time makes sense to me ...perception is the key

Never heard of that reputation? I think we have done very well with our guys coming from reserves to play in firsts?

Sitaleki ...ring a bell

I gotta admit, I’ve never heard of him or can’t remember at least, I’ll have to look him up. But hopefully he’s not the only one you are basing your comments on?

Matterson ,Moses ,Anasta where do you want me to stop

Players believe players .......

Don't stop, keep going, name absolutely everyone who you know or believe to know didn't like the way they were treated at Tigers.

Then list all the players who have signed or, even better, re-signed with the the club in the same period. Then compare the numbers in each column.

 

[TigerWest]

Shouldn't have Kelma got his own announcement

Slightly unprofessional

Now your just being picky happy ?

Well if I was Kelma's family or friends ...I'd have been let down

Its the little things really ...I bet the Storm or Roosters had a guy they saw moving to the next level the would make a bigger deal than we just did

It was a club option not like it's a new contract

**We have a reputation of a club which doesn't care** ...showing some love for someone the club has high hopes for in a position where we haven't had a real winner for a long time makes sense to me ...perception is the key

Never heard of that reputation? I think we have done very well with our guys coming from reserves to play in firsts?

Sitaleki ...ring a bell

I gotta admit, I’ve never heard of him or can’t remember at least, I’ll have to look him up. But hopefully he’s not the only one you are basing your comments on?

Matterson ,Moses ,Anasta where do you want me to stop

Players believe players .......

Geeze, you picked a poor lot as an example for your statement.

Matterson left mid contract, badly from my point of view?
Moses tanked games and kicked stones so he could get a release?
Anasta? That was that long ago, I can't remember what happened to him? But I think we were happy?

We probably have a lot more positive stories of players saying we do care. Of course the club cares?

 

[happy_tiger]

Shouldn't have Kelma got his own announcement

Slightly unprofessional

Now your just being picky happy ?

Well if I was Kelma's family or friends ...I'd have been let down

Its the little things really ...I bet the Storm or Roosters had a guy they saw moving to the next level the would make a bigger deal than we just did

It was a club option not like it's a new contract

**We have a reputation of a club which doesn't care** ...showing some love for someone the club has high hopes for in a position where we haven't had a real winner for a long time makes sense to me ...perception is the key

Never heard of that reputation? I think we have done very well with our guys coming from reserves to play in firsts?

Sitaleki ...ring a bell

I gotta admit, I’ve never heard of him or can’t remember at least, I’ll have to look him up. But hopefully he’s not the only one you are basing your comments on?

Matterson ,Moses ,Anasta where do you want me to stop

Players believe players .......

Don't stop, keep going, name absolutely everyone who you know or believe to know didn't like the way they were treated at Tigers.

Then list all the players who have signed or, even better, re-signed with the the club in the same period. Then compare the numbers in each column.

So you don't believe we haven't spent a heap of time and money trying to change our perception in the market place with our mental health and indigeneous approach for a reason ...

 

[TigerWest]

Shouldn't have Kelma got his own announcement

Slightly unprofessional

Now your just being picky happy ?

Well if I was Kelma's family or friends ...I'd have been let down

Its the little things really ...I bet the Storm or Roosters had a guy they saw moving to the next level the would make a bigger deal than we just did

It was a club option not like it's a new contract

**We have a reputation of a club which doesn't care** ...showing some love for someone the club has high hopes for in a position where we haven't had a real winner for a long time makes sense to me ...perception is the key

Never heard of that reputation? I think we have done very well with our guys coming from reserves to play in firsts?

Sitaleki ...ring a bell

I gotta admit, I’ve never heard of him or can’t remember at least, I’ll have to look him up. But hopefully he’s not the only one you are basing your comments on?

Matterson ,Moses ,Anasta where do you want me to stop

Players believe players .......

Don't stop, keep going, name absolutely everyone who you know or believe to know didn't like the way they were treated at Tigers.

Then list all the players who have signed or, even better, re-signed with the the club in the same period. Then compare the numbers in each column.

So you don't believe we haven't spent a heap of time and money trying to change our perception in the market place with our mental health and indigeneous approach for a reason ...

Isn’t that part of business? Don’t all clubs do this?

 

[jirskyr]

Shouldn't have Kelma got his own announcement

Slightly unprofessional

Now your just being picky happy ?

Well if I was Kelma's family or friends ...I'd have been let down

Its the little things really ...I bet the Storm or Roosters had a guy they saw moving to the next level the would make a bigger deal than we just did

It was a club option not like it's a new contract

**We have a reputation of a club which doesn't care** ...showing some love for someone the club has high hopes for in a position where we haven't had a real winner for a long time makes sense to me ...perception is the key

Never heard of that reputation? I think we have done very well with our guys coming from reserves to play in firsts?

Sitaleki ...ring a bell

I gotta admit, I’ve never heard of him or can’t remember at least, I’ll have to look him up. But hopefully he’s not the only one you are basing your comments on?

Matterson ,Moses ,Anasta where do you want me to stop

Players believe players .......

Don't stop, keep going, name absolutely everyone who you know or believe to know didn't like the way they were treated at Tigers.

Then list all the players who have signed or, even better, re-signed with the the club in the same period. Then compare the numbers in each column.

So you don't believe we haven't spent a heap of time and money trying to change our perception in the market place with our mental health and indigeneous approach for a reason ...

Well I wouldn't assume to know how much time or money we've spent, and whether or not there is an attempt to change a given perception.

But let's say you are right, and it's "a heap" of both time and money. That doesn't necessarily reflect a player-level reputation. It may be an attempt by the club to gain an edge, to differentiate ourselves from the other clubs. It may be an attempt to go from mid-pack to leader in the field. It may be the development of a program that we previously simply didn't have.

Just because you invest time and money in something doesn't mean you were deficient in that program. I would imagine Storm, for example, continue to invest as much time in scouting and junior recruitment as any other club, but it may reasonably be argued that they have already been proven to be one of the best in the field, so it is not an indicator of any specific deficit.

Your indigenous pathways example is actually very apt, but not for your argument. You are suggesting Tigers started this initiative because, what, we weren't perceived amongst the playing group as an ideal indigenous player destination? Where did Tigers rank, of 16, in the "indigenous ideal destination" polling amongst players?

Or is the indigenous pathway initiative by Tigers simply (a) an attempt to gain an edge over other clubs, (b) part of our broader mandate to develop and achieve excellence in our community programs, (c) a reflection of the fact we happen to have more indigenous players in our roster in 2021?

I'm still waiting - the list, please, of players known or suggested to have left Tigers because of issues with their welfare, versus the list of players who re-signed with the club despite exactly the same welfare conditions. And then subtract, from the players who are reported to have played the "welfare card", those players that went to another club for equal or less money, because logically if there is such an issue with welfare then salary isn't a primary motive.

 

[happy_tiger]

Shouldn't have Kelma got his own announcement

Slightly unprofessional

Now your just being picky happy ?

Well if I was Kelma's family or friends ...I'd have been let down

Its the little things really ...I bet the Storm or Roosters had a guy they saw moving to the next level the would make a bigger deal than we just did

It was a club option not like it's a new contract

**We have a reputation of a club which doesn't care** ...showing some love for someone the club has high hopes for in a position where we haven't had a real winner for a long time makes sense to me ...perception is the key

Never heard of that reputation? I think we have done very well with our guys coming from reserves to play in firsts?

Sitaleki ...ring a bell

I gotta admit, I’ve never heard of him or can’t remember at least, I’ll have to look him up. But hopefully he’s not the only one you are basing your comments on?

Matterson ,Moses ,Anasta where do you want me to stop

Players believe players .......

Don't stop, keep going, name absolutely everyone who you know or believe to know didn't like the way they were treated at Tigers.

Then list all the players who have signed or, even better, re-signed with the the club in the same period. Then compare the numbers in each column.

So you don't believe we haven't spent a heap of time and money trying to change our perception in the market place with our mental health and indigeneous approach for a reason ...

Well I wouldn't assume to know how much time or money we've spent, and whether or not there is an attempt to change a given perception.

But let's say you are right, and it's "a heap" of both time and money. That doesn't necessarily reflect a player-level reputation. It may be an attempt by the club to gain an edge, to differentiate ourselves from the other clubs. It may be an attempt to go from mid-pack to leader in the field. It may be the development of a program that we previously simply didn't have.

Just because you invest time and money in something doesn't mean you were deficient in that program. I would imagine Storm, for example, continue to invest as much time in scouting and junior recruitment as any other club, but it may reasonably be argued that they have already been proven to be one of the best in the field, so it is not an indicator of any specific deficit.

Your indigenous pathways example is actually very apt, but not for your argument. You are suggesting Tigers started this initiative because, what, we weren't perceived amongst the playing group as an ideal indigenous player destination? Where did Tigers rank, of 16, in the "indigenous ideal destination" polling amongst players?

Or is the indigenous pathway initiative by Tigers simply (a) an attempt to gain an edge over other clubs, (b) part of our broader mandate to develop and achieve excellence in our community programs, (c) a reflection of the fact we happen to have more indigenous players in our roster in 2021?

I'm still waiting - the list, please, of players known or suggested to have left Tigers because of issues with their welfare, versus the list of players who re-signed with the club despite exactly the same welfare conditions. And then subtract, from the players who are reported to have played the "welfare card", those players that went to another club for equal or less money, because logically if there is such an issue with welfare then salary isn't a primary motive.

As I have said it is perceived

And when I add the fact that only one player the club has brought in has re-signed Aloiai ..who then left anyway ..says enough

 

[balmain boy]

Shouldn't have Kelma got his own announcement

Slightly unprofessional

Now your just being picky happy ?

Well if I was Kelma's family or friends ...I'd have been let down

Its the little things really ...I bet the Storm or Roosters had a guy they saw moving to the next level the would make a bigger deal than we just did

It was a club option not like it's a new contract

**We have a reputation of a club which doesn't care** ...showing some love for someone the club has high hopes for in a position where we haven't had a real winner for a long time makes sense to me ...perception is the key

Never heard of that reputation? I think we have done very well with our guys coming from reserves to play in firsts?

Sitaleki ...ring a bell

I gotta admit, I’ve never heard of him or can’t remember at least, I’ll have to look him up. But hopefully he’s not the only one you are basing your comments on?

Matterson ,Moses ,Anasta where do you want me to stop

Players believe players .......

Don't stop, keep going, name absolutely everyone who you know or believe to know didn't like the way they were treated at Tigers.

Then list all the players who have signed or, even better, re-signed with the the club in the same period. Then compare the numbers in each column.

So you don't believe we haven't spent a heap of time and money trying to change our perception in the market place with our mental health and indigeneous approach for a reason ...

Well I wouldn't assume to know how much time or money we've spent, and whether or not there is an attempt to change a given perception.

But let's say you are right, and it's "a heap" of both time and money. That doesn't necessarily reflect a player-level reputation. It may be an attempt by the club to gain an edge, to differentiate ourselves from the other clubs. It may be an attempt to go from mid-pack to leader in the field. It may be the development of a program that we previously simply didn't have.

Just because you invest time and money in something doesn't mean you were deficient in that program. I would imagine Storm, for example, continue to invest as much time in scouting and junior recruitment as any other club, but it may reasonably be argued that they have already been proven to be one of the best in the field, so it is not an indicator of any specific deficit.

Your indigenous pathways example is actually very apt, but not for your argument. You are suggesting Tigers started this initiative because, what, we weren't perceived amongst the playing group as an ideal indigenous player destination? Where did Tigers rank, of 16, in the "indigenous ideal destination" polling amongst players?

Or is the indigenous pathway initiative by Tigers simply (a) an attempt to gain an edge over other clubs, (b) part of our broader mandate to develop and achieve excellence in our community programs, (c) a reflection of the fact we happen to have more indigenous players in our roster in 2021?

I'm still waiting - the list, please, of players known or suggested to have left Tigers because of issues with their welfare, versus the list of players who re-signed with the club despite exactly the same welfare conditions. And then subtract, from the players who are reported to have played the "welfare card", those players that went to another club for equal or less money, because logically if there is such an issue with welfare then salary isn't a primary motive.

As I have said it is perceived

And when I add the fact that only one player the club has brought in has re-signed Aloiai ..who then left anyway ..says enough

You're way off Happy. One player, and that's your argument. Or little bitches that everyone in the league crucified for acting so poorly. That's the proof? Nah.

A one off with a fringe player who got dropped. I'm sure you'll find that happen at practically every club.

In any case we've beefed up our support staff now to have one of the largest teams to look after player welfare. The COE will help too. Anything that was an issue 8 years ago is gone now.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Great to have in with the NRL squad. He's part of our new junior recruitment and to think it has taken him one season to make it suggests low risk and high reward signing. Well done.

 

[happy_tiger]

Shouldn't have Kelma got his own announcement

Slightly unprofessional

Now your just being picky happy ?

Well if I was Kelma's family or friends ...I'd have been let down

Its the little things really ...I bet the Storm or Roosters had a guy they saw moving to the next level the would make a bigger deal than we just did

It was a club option not like it's a new contract

**We have a reputation of a club which doesn't care** ...showing some love for someone the club has high hopes for in a position where we haven't had a real winner for a long time makes sense to me ...perception is the key

Never heard of that reputation? I think we have done very well with our guys coming from reserves to play in firsts?

Sitaleki ...ring a bell

I gotta admit, I’ve never heard of him or can’t remember at least, I’ll have to look him up. But hopefully he’s not the only one you are basing your comments on?

Matterson ,Moses ,Anasta where do you want me to stop

Players believe players .......

Don't stop, keep going, name absolutely everyone who you know or believe to know didn't like the way they were treated at Tigers.

Then list all the players who have signed or, even better, re-signed with the the club in the same period. Then compare the numbers in each column.

So you don't believe we haven't spent a heap of time and money trying to change our perception in the market place with our mental health and indigeneous approach for a reason ...

Well I wouldn't assume to know how much time or money we've spent, and whether or not there is an attempt to change a given perception.

But let's say you are right, and it's "a heap" of both time and money. That doesn't necessarily reflect a player-level reputation. It may be an attempt by the club to gain an edge, to differentiate ourselves from the other clubs. It may be an attempt to go from mid-pack to leader in the field. It may be the development of a program that we previously simply didn't have.

Just because you invest time and money in something doesn't mean you were deficient in that program. I would imagine Storm, for example, continue to invest as much time in scouting and junior recruitment as any other club, but it may reasonably be argued that they have already been proven to be one of the best in the field, so it is not an indicator of any specific deficit.

Your indigenous pathways example is actually very apt, but not for your argument. You are suggesting Tigers started this initiative because, what, we weren't perceived amongst the playing group as an ideal indigenous player destination? Where did Tigers rank, of 16, in the "indigenous ideal destination" polling amongst players?

Or is the indigenous pathway initiative by Tigers simply (a) an attempt to gain an edge over other clubs, (b) part of our broader mandate to develop and achieve excellence in our community programs, (c) a reflection of the fact we happen to have more indigenous players in our roster in 2021?

I'm still waiting - the list, please, of players known or suggested to have left Tigers because of issues with their welfare, versus the list of players who re-signed with the club despite exactly the same welfare conditions. And then subtract, from the players who are reported to have played the "welfare card", those players that went to another club for equal or less money, because logically if there is such an issue with welfare then salary isn't a primary motive.

As I have said it is perceived

And when I add the fact that only one player the club has brought in has re-signed Aloiai ..who then left anyway ..says enough

You're way off Happy. One player, and that's your argument. Or little bitches that everyone in the league crucified for acting so poorly. That's the proof? Nah.

A one off with a fringe player who got dropped. I'm sure you'll find that happen at practically every club.

In any case we've beefed up our support staff now to have one of the largest teams to look after player welfare. The COE will help too. Anything that was an issue 8 years ago is gone now.

Read again BB ...I have given 5 without looking at the playing list

And add to that ...I don't see WT's players coming out and defending the allegations that have been made

As I keep saying ...perception to many is reality ...add all the facts I've added with our big changes with the handling of mental health and indigenous in the last 18 months ...we obviously thought it was an issue ..or were concerned with the perception of players in the NRL

Or we could just bury our heads like many do ...the WT's have no issues and it is all the press , the NRL , other clubs getting a helping hand ,referees ,rule changes etc

 

[jirskyr]

And when I add the fact that only one player the club has brought in has re-signed Aloiai …who then left anyway …says enough

What does this mean? You reckon Josh Aloiai is the only player the club has brought in, who has then re-signed?

Liddle for God's sake, he re-signed yesterday
Alex Twal
Chee Kam
Musgrove
Tom Mikaele
Luke Garner
Elijah Taylor
Eisenhuth

All of these guys brought in to club from external, all re-signed, I don't even have to go back far. You are off your meds if you reckon Aloiai is the only one.

 

[Newtown]

Shouldn't have Kelma got his own announcement

Slightly unprofessional

Now your just being picky happy ?

Well if I was Kelma's family or friends ...I'd have been let down

Its the little things really ...I bet the Storm or Roosters had a guy they saw moving to the next level the would make a bigger deal than we just did

It was a club option not like it's a new contract

**We have a reputation of a club which doesn't care** ...showing some love for someone the club has high hopes for in a position where we haven't had a real winner for a long time makes sense to me ...perception is the key

Never heard of that reputation? I think we have done very well with our guys coming from reserves to play in firsts?

Sitaleki ...ring a bell

I gotta admit, I’ve never heard of him or can’t remember at least, I’ll have to look him up. But hopefully he’s not the only one you are basing your comments on?

Matterson ,Moses ,Anasta where do you want me to stop

Players believe players .......

Don't stop, keep going, name absolutely everyone who you know or believe to know didn't like the way they were treated at Tigers.

Then list all the players who have signed or, even better, re-signed with the the club in the same period. Then compare the numbers in each column.

So you don't believe we haven't spent a heap of time and money trying to change our perception in the market place with our mental health and indigeneous approach for a reason ...

Well I wouldn't assume to know how much time or money we've spent, and whether or not there is an attempt to change a given perception.

But let's say you are right, and it's "a heap" of both time and money. That doesn't necessarily reflect a player-level reputation. It may be an attempt by the club to gain an edge, to differentiate ourselves from the other clubs. It may be an attempt to go from mid-pack to leader in the field. It may be the development of a program that we previously simply didn't have.

Just because you invest time and money in something doesn't mean you were deficient in that program. I would imagine Storm, for example, continue to invest as much time in scouting and junior recruitment as any other club, but it may reasonably be argued that they have already been proven to be one of the best in the field, so it is not an indicator of any specific deficit.

Your indigenous pathways example is actually very apt, but not for your argument. You are suggesting Tigers started this initiative because, what, we weren't perceived amongst the playing group as an ideal indigenous player destination? Where did Tigers rank, of 16, in the "indigenous ideal destination" polling amongst players?

Or is the indigenous pathway initiative by Tigers simply (a) an attempt to gain an edge over other clubs, (b) part of our broader mandate to develop and achieve excellence in our community programs, (c) a reflection of the fact we happen to have more indigenous players in our roster in 2021?

I'm still waiting - the list, please, of players known or suggested to have left Tigers because of issues with their welfare, versus the list of players who re-signed with the club despite exactly the same welfare conditions. And then subtract, from the players who are reported to have played the "welfare card", those players that went to another club for equal or less money, because logically if there is such an issue with welfare then salary isn't a primary motive.

As I have said it is perceived

And when I add the fact that only one player the club has brought in has re-signed Aloiai ..who then left anyway ..says enough

You're way off Happy. One player, and that's your argument. Or little bitches that everyone in the league crucified for acting so poorly. That's the proof? Nah.

A one off with a fringe player who got dropped. I'm sure you'll find that happen at practically every club.

In any case we've beefed up our support staff now to have one of the largest teams to look after player welfare. The COE will help too. Anything that was an issue 8 years ago is gone now.

Read again BB ...I have given 5 without looking at the playing list

And add to that ...I don't see WT's players coming out and defending the allegations that have been made

As I keep saying ...perception to many is reality ...add all the facts I've added with our big changes with the handling of mental health and indigenous in the last 18 months ...we obviously thought it was an issue ..or were concerned with the perception of players in the NRL

Or we could just bury our heads like many do ...the WT's have no issues and it is all the press , the NRL , other clubs getting a helping hand ,referees ,rule changes etc

What are the allegations that have been made?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

On a general note, the Club now is a very different one to the Club 8 years ago. Pascoe wrote that we have been able to bring in additional staff such as Kimmorley and the ex cricket pathways officer due to our turnaround in fortune. In addition, we have so many new young players joining us that their parents must have confidence in the Club's welfare programmes.

 

[jirskyr]

Shouldn't have Kelma got his own announcement

Slightly unprofessional

Now your just being picky happy ?

Well if I was Kelma's family or friends ...I'd have been let down

Its the little things really ...I bet the Storm or Roosters had a guy they saw moving to the next level the would make a bigger deal than we just did

It was a club option not like it's a new contract

**We have a reputation of a club which doesn't care** ...showing some love for someone the club has high hopes for in a position where we haven't had a real winner for a long time makes sense to me ...perception is the key

Never heard of that reputation? I think we have done very well with our guys coming from reserves to play in firsts?

Sitaleki ...ring a bell

I gotta admit, I’ve never heard of him or can’t remember at least, I’ll have to look him up. But hopefully he’s not the only one you are basing your comments on?

Matterson ,Moses ,Anasta where do you want me to stop

Players believe players .......

Don't stop, keep going, name absolutely everyone who you know or believe to know didn't like the way they were treated at Tigers.

Then list all the players who have signed or, even better, re-signed with the the club in the same period. Then compare the numbers in each column.

So you don't believe we haven't spent a heap of time and money trying to change our perception in the market place with our mental health and indigeneous approach for a reason ...

Well I wouldn't assume to know how much time or money we've spent, and whether or not there is an attempt to change a given perception.

But let's say you are right, and it's "a heap" of both time and money. That doesn't necessarily reflect a player-level reputation. It may be an attempt by the club to gain an edge, to differentiate ourselves from the other clubs. It may be an attempt to go from mid-pack to leader in the field. It may be the development of a program that we previously simply didn't have.

Just because you invest time and money in something doesn't mean you were deficient in that program. I would imagine Storm, for example, continue to invest as much time in scouting and junior recruitment as any other club, but it may reasonably be argued that they have already been proven to be one of the best in the field, so it is not an indicator of any specific deficit.

Your indigenous pathways example is actually very apt, but not for your argument. You are suggesting Tigers started this initiative because, what, we weren't perceived amongst the playing group as an ideal indigenous player destination? Where did Tigers rank, of 16, in the "indigenous ideal destination" polling amongst players?

Or is the indigenous pathway initiative by Tigers simply (a) an attempt to gain an edge over other clubs, (b) part of our broader mandate to develop and achieve excellence in our community programs, (c) a reflection of the fact we happen to have more indigenous players in our roster in 2021?

I'm still waiting - the list, please, of players known or suggested to have left Tigers because of issues with their welfare, versus the list of players who re-signed with the club despite exactly the same welfare conditions. And then subtract, from the players who are reported to have played the "welfare card", those players that went to another club for equal or less money, because logically if there is such an issue with welfare then salary isn't a primary motive.

As I have said it is perceived

And when I add the fact that only one player the club has brought in has re-signed Aloiai ..who then left anyway ..says enough

You're way off Happy. One player, and that's your argument. Or little bitches that everyone in the league crucified for acting so poorly. That's the proof? Nah.

A one off with a fringe player who got dropped. I'm sure you'll find that happen at practically every club.

In any case we've beefed up our support staff now to have one of the largest teams to look after player welfare. The COE will help too. Anything that was an issue 8 years ago is gone now.

Read again BB ...I have given 5 without looking at the playing list

And add to that ...I don't see WT's players coming out and defending the allegations that have been made

As I keep saying ...perception to many is reality ...add all the facts I've added with our big changes with the handling of mental health and indigenous in the last 18 months ...we obviously thought it was an issue ..or were concerned with the perception of players in the NRL

Or we could just bury our heads like many do ...the WT's have no issues and it is all the press , the NRL , other clubs getting a helping hand ,referees ,rule changes etc

No, to everything you wrote. Discussing with you appears pointless, you only reiterate your original comment over and over. You don't address any counter-arguments made.

You have no knowledge or evidence of how Tigers are "perceived" by the general playing group. That can't be asserted, you have no evidence, no quotes, nothing on record as evidence of any perception of a group of players.

You suggest lack of Tigers player commentary about a topic is evidence of that topic being true. So if I make a claim there are live dinosaurs in the carpark at Tigers HQ, if the players don't come out and say it isn't true, that means there are indeed dinosaurs in the carpark at Tigers HQ?

That's not to mention that actually, on record, quite a number of players have made public statements about both being OK with the club and OK with the coach.

You reckon you can name 5 players left due to perceived mistreatment, which is in itself debatable, I easily named more than 5 the last few years who re-signed with Tigers, not even including our own re-signed juniors, and you don't care to explain how or why those players re-signed.

You reckon development of a program is evidence of some deficit in the program. So any team that develops or promotes a mental health program, or disability program, or indigenous program, or partner/family support program, has failed prior to the program existing? Every club with a formalised mental health program was never previously considering player mental health?

Tell me, did Matterson and Sitaleki and Aloiai, your example players, were they claiming a lack of indigenous program as a reason for leaving Tigers, none of them actually being indigenous Australians? Was Aloiai claiming mental health, Matterson claiming it? If I'm not mistaken Matterson claimed physical fitness as a reason, so did Tigers make big changes to our physical wellness program in response?

Complete madness. A few sooks and you side with the sooks. No club is perfect, but a few bad eggs isn't evidence of an organisation-wide issue.

For God's sake Kyle Flanagan was crying on TV the other week, is this to say now Roosters and Bulldogs must not adequately consider the health and wellbeing of their players?

 

[happy_tiger]

Shouldn't have Kelma got his own announcement

Slightly unprofessional

Now your just being picky happy ?

Well if I was Kelma's family or friends ...I'd have been let down

Its the little things really ...I bet the Storm or Roosters had a guy they saw moving to the next level the would make a bigger deal than we just did

It was a club option not like it's a new contract

**We have a reputation of a club which doesn't care** ...showing some love for someone the club has high hopes for in a position where we haven't had a real winner for a long time makes sense to me ...perception is the key

Never heard of that reputation? I think we have done very well with our guys coming from reserves to play in firsts?

Sitaleki ...ring a bell

I gotta admit, I’ve never heard of him or can’t remember at least, I’ll have to look him up. But hopefully he’s not the only one you are basing your comments on?

Matterson ,Moses ,Anasta where do you want me to stop

Players believe players .......

Don't stop, keep going, name absolutely everyone who you know or believe to know didn't like the way they were treated at Tigers.

Then list all the players who have signed or, even better, re-signed with the the club in the same period. Then compare the numbers in each column.

So you don't believe we haven't spent a heap of time and money trying to change our perception in the market place with our mental health and indigeneous approach for a reason ...

Well I wouldn't assume to know how much time or money we've spent, and whether or not there is an attempt to change a given perception.

But let's say you are right, and it's "a heap" of both time and money. That doesn't necessarily reflect a player-level reputation. It may be an attempt by the club to gain an edge, to differentiate ourselves from the other clubs. It may be an attempt to go from mid-pack to leader in the field. It may be the development of a program that we previously simply didn't have.

Just because you invest time and money in something doesn't mean you were deficient in that program. I would imagine Storm, for example, continue to invest as much time in scouting and junior recruitment as any other club, but it may reasonably be argued that they have already been proven to be one of the best in the field, so it is not an indicator of any specific deficit.

Your indigenous pathways example is actually very apt, but not for your argument. You are suggesting Tigers started this initiative because, what, we weren't perceived amongst the playing group as an ideal indigenous player destination? Where did Tigers rank, of 16, in the "indigenous ideal destination" polling amongst players?

Or is the indigenous pathway initiative by Tigers simply (a) an attempt to gain an edge over other clubs, (b) part of our broader mandate to develop and achieve excellence in our community programs, (c) a reflection of the fact we happen to have more indigenous players in our roster in 2021?

I'm still waiting - the list, please, of players known or suggested to have left Tigers because of issues with their welfare, versus the list of players who re-signed with the club despite exactly the same welfare conditions. And then subtract, from the players who are reported to have played the "welfare card", those players that went to another club for equal or less money, because logically if there is such an issue with welfare then salary isn't a primary motive.

As I have said it is perceived

And when I add the fact that only one player the club has brought in has re-signed Aloiai ..who then left anyway ..says enough

You're way off Happy. One player, and that's your argument. Or little bitches that everyone in the league crucified for acting so poorly. That's the proof? Nah.

A one off with a fringe player who got dropped. I'm sure you'll find that happen at practically every club.

In any case we've beefed up our support staff now to have one of the largest teams to look after player welfare. The COE will help too. Anything that was an issue 8 years ago is gone now.

Read again BB ...I have given 5 without looking at the playing list

And add to that ...I don't see WT's players coming out and defending the allegations that have been made

As I keep saying ...perception to many is reality ...add all the facts I've added with our big changes with the handling of mental health and indigenous in the last 18 months ...we obviously thought it was an issue ..or were concerned with the perception of players in the NRL

Or we could just bury our heads like many do ...the WT's have no issues and it is all the press , the NRL , other clubs getting a helping hand ,referees ,rule changes etc

No, to everything you wrote. Discussing with you appears pointless, you only reiterate your original comment over and over. You don't address any counter-arguments made.

You have no knowledge or evidence of how Tigers are "perceived" by the general playing group. That can't be asserted, you have no evidence, no quotes, nothing on record as evidence of any perception of a group of players.

You suggest lack of Tigers player commentary about a topic is evidence of that topic being true. So if I make a claim there are live dinosaurs in the carpark at Tigers HQ, if the players don't come out and say it isn't true, that means there are indeed dinosaurs in the carpark at Tigers HQ?

That's not to mention that actually, on record, quite a number of players have made public statements about both being OK with the club and OK with the coach.

You reckon you can name 5 players left due to perceived mistreatment, which is in itself debatable, I easily named more than 5 the last few years who re-signed with Tigers, not even including our own re-signed juniors, and you don't care to explain how or why those players re-signed.

You reckon development of a program is evidence of some deficit in the program. So any team that develops or promotes a mental health program, or disability program, or indigenous program, or partner/family support program, has failed prior to the program existing? Every club with a formalised mental health program was never previously considering player mental health?

Tell me, did Matterson and Sitaleki and Aloiai, your example players, were they claiming a lack of indigenous program as a reason for leaving Tigers, none of them actually being indigenous Australians? Was Aloiai claiming mental health, Matterson claiming it? If I'm not mistaken Matterson claimed physical fitness as a reason, so did Tigers make big changes to our physical wellness program in response?

Complete madness. A few sooks and you side with the sooks. No club is perfect, but a few bad eggs isn't evidence of an organisation-wide issue.

For God's sake Kyle Flanagan was crying on TV the other week, is this to say now Roosters and Bulldogs must not adequately consider the health and wellbeing of their players?

You pulled one out I didn't know who had re-signed in Twal and I can add Simpkin to that list

Calling Mikaele and Liddle non Tigers juniors is drawing a very long bow ...didn't realize the Goodna Eagles was a NRL feeder club ...

Don't even think the Wyong Roos was a feeder club when Liddle joined us

The "perception" I am talking about isn't our club ...I'm talking about the players not at the WT's ...you know the blokes that won't sign with us

And I will re-iterate this ...we didn't start the our major mental health push or our indigenous push until after all the issues with rejections from players from other clubs or the players bailing mid contract

The fact that we had how many players of the season bail within 12 months of getting the award says a lot

The fact that a player committed suicide and it still took us years to think that having a true mental health team was important says enough

Bury your head in the sand ...all is well at the WT's ..we wouldn't want to upset your fairytale