OFFICIAL Liam Fulton [Discussion]

[Glennb]

Fair dinkum a few of you guys are REALLY making a mountain out of a molehill here. Tooth and others seem to want to claim a Roswellesque cover up because Sheens said he had been crook all week. Here is a wild theory, what about if he WAS crook all week, with busted/popped rib cartilidges. it would make you bloody crook, a lot of pain and hard to breathe. No cover because he was expected to get needled up. Needle didnt work.

I really can't see the conspiracy here.

Needles dont work ALL the time. It is reasonably common for it not to work. I have heard it reported frequently. Also, none of us are doctors but it is also obvious that few of you have ever had one of these injections. I t is NOT an exact science. It is not stuck into flesh or muscle like some were claiming the other day. It needs to be injected directly into the site of the soft tissue damage(only works on cartlidge, tendon, ligament) It is a MASSIVE long needle that gets pushed deep into the fleshy bit and then WIGGLED around until the needle touches the direct site of the damage (this is very clear to both the patient and then the doctor). Then the needle is pulled back a bit, then pushed in again directly into the tendon/ligament/cartilidge and a small amount of local anatheatic injected into that damaged part to put it to sleep for a while. INCREDIBLY painful experience and not an exact thing.

The level of discussion here I think has been simplistic and ridiculous. People are clutching for conspiracies and things that are simply not there.

 

[innsaneink]

Its pretty clear we have some ostriches among the fanbase

The kind of response expected from you Ink. Cynicism with no substance.

I dont have time for substance, just my 2 bobs worth…re read the thread, theres plenty of substance in it

 

[The_Tooth]

One final say then I'm out, unless questioned directly. I know this isn't a huge conspiracy, I've only had so much to say because it seems most people are missing my point and accusing me of blatantly making things up.

From everything I've heard and read I just believe that a needle was required and for whatever reason it didn't work. That might happen every week at a different club, I dont care. That should of been the end of it, but instead the story has been danced around especially with Sheens post match comments. If you cant see something a miss with all that then I give up. Each to their own, but I maintain my concern as to why they wouldn't come out and say what happened. Not a single mention of a needle by the club. They dont want to talk about it.

I had to mention QLD didn't I :laughing:
For the record, my father grew up at Leichardt, followed his father in supporting Balmain. Worked pubs and clubs in the area and generally lived and breathed Balmain. Even worked with Hemsley for some time. I grew up in the Sutherland Shire but was always going to be a Balmain boy. Spent much of my childhood sitting on the hill at leichardt watching the Tigers of the 80's. More recently lived at Padstow and would take my little girl out to Campbelltown to nearly every home game. Moved to QLD 2 years ago with a 6 month old boy who has never been to Leichardt or Campbelltown. He's nearly 3 now and only seen the Tigers live 3 times. But he's already a Tiger too. We might live in QLD but we are born and bred Tigers. Always will be.

 

[Glennb]

One final say then I'm out, unless questioned directly. I know this isn't a huge conspiracy, I've only had so much to say because it seems most people are missing my point and accusing me of blatantly making things up.
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FWIW I havent lumped you into the other lot making things up wrt what may or may not have happened in the change room. I get your point about Liam "being crook", I just dont think it is as big a deal.

From everything I've heard and read I just believe that a needle was required and for whatever reason it didn't work. That might happen every week at a different club, I dont care. That should of been the end of it, but instead the story has been danced around especially with Sheens post match comments. If you cant see something a miss with all that then I give up. Each to their own, but I maintain my concern as to why they wouldn't come out and say what happened. Not a single mention of a needle by the club. They dont want to talk about it..

Why SHOULD the club come out and say anything? What is the purpose of telling everyone? I know you are concerned that they said he was "crook" (I heard Sheens interview, he said crook, not sick or ill) but if it gets to semantics of whether he said he was crook and he meant sore or injured….well does it really matter? I mean if he says he was crook, meaning his sore ribs and he didnt pass the physical ...well. FWIW I agree it was probably a problem with the needle, due to the fac they didnt have someone ready, but ...it happens

 

[stryker]

ST - Just heard from a reliable source that is plausible and a risk to puncture a lung with a needle to the sternum :astonished:

That would seem to exonerate the medical staff from a negligence argument wouldnt it? It is an appreciable risk in such procedures.

I've had pain killing injections before and I can tell you that they are pretty bloody hit and miss. I wouldn't call negligence on this matter.

However I dont see what the big problem is with saying sorry, we missed….because I can tell you it happens a lot! Sometimes you need it done several times because the first couple dont hit the spot.

If the needle story is false, a reasonable bloke would say it isnt, then why wasnt a replacement named for the sick Liam instead of grabbing a bloke out of the stands? This is why people are smelling a rat.....

 

[Glennb]

I heard the Sheens interview and he didnt say "sick" or "ill" he said crook. He could very well have meant crook with his ribs and they expected a needle would fix it, and it didnt….

I really cant see the conspiracy or cover up. true I could invent one...but I'mtoo busy.

Glenn

 

[southerntiger]

ST - Just heard from a reliable source that is plausible and a risk to puncture a lung with a needle to the sternum :astonished:

That would seem to exonerate the medical staff from a negligence argument wouldnt it? It is an appreciable risk in such procedures.

I've had pain killing injections before and I can tell you that they are pretty bloody hit and miss. I wouldn't call negligence on this matter.

However I dont see what the big problem is with saying sorry, we missed….because I can tell you it happens a lot! Sometimes you need it done several times because the first couple dont hit the spot.

If the needle story is false, a reasonable bloke would say it isnt, then why wasnt a replacement named for the sick Liam instead of grabbing a bloke out of the stands? This is why people are smelling a rat.....

Stryker,

I dont disagree with you. But the this whole thread stems from repeated claims that our medical staff are incompetent hacks. That claim has been my concern.

 

[benjibrotown]

Just for fantasy reasons, does anybody know whether Liam is a chance for a late inclusion to the side??

 

[Benson]

Going nuts over an article written int he Tele.

These guys are liers and have to submit something each day.

Dont be so GULABLE.

Dr Kuah cant puncture a lung with a needle designed to numbe a sturnum injury or rib complaint…

For crying out loud some of you guys calling for heads to roll must still be in schcol, cause you aint that smart about the real world and business yet....

The Truth is yet to be revealed.

PS It was Jason on Debut and not Alan S.

Guess Again

 

[Benson]

Just for fantasy reasons, does anybody know whether Liam is a chance for a late inclusion to the side??

No chance

 

[Guest]

There has been enough speculation in this thread. It ends now.

 

[triserratops]

I honestly feel that he has been one of the best acquistions for the team this year.

I wasn't a big fan of re-recruiting former players but Liam Fulton's form in this early stage of the season has floored my earlier remarks.

He has really developed whilst in England and his return to the NRL has been excellent. He gets involved both in attack and defence, he has a NEW found maturity in reading the game and knowing when and when not to do things. His support play has been exceptional and his work rate in defence is evident week in week out with constant high number of tackles. He is a real CONTRIBUTOR in the team.

We have had a few standouts this season with Lote, Benji, Galloway & Ellis really stamping their marks on games.

Fulton should and would be included in this quattro for mine, I am looking forward to watching him week in week out because of his talent and what he brings to this excitement machine that is the WESTS TIGERS of 2010!

Your thoughts?

:sign:
Triserratops

 

[king_sirro]

Agree. Like u i didnt want him back, not because i didnt rate him, i just thought his lack of size along with Heighno's would be an issue for us. But he's going great guns.

 

[crouching_tiger]

Fulton and Fitzhenry have both been undeniably great acqusitions for the club and have lead from the front with their experience. Both quietly acheiving what is required from them from the coach and great to have around the club to keep the staff on their toes.
No surprises the club is going from strength to strength since these two pests have been back! :smiley:

 

[palms]

Fulton has always been a talent ready to explode in first grade and runs some of the best lines of any second rower. His defence and work rate is and has always been faultless. Lets not forget his progress was badly halted after 5 seconds in 2006? After that he took a big of time to regain his confidence before going to England in 2009.

That extra few kilograms has definitely made him a more potent attacking weapon and I think the best of Fulton is definitely yet to come! Very exciting thought…

 

[Dan]

I agree with the above based on the same arguments.

I eat my words and think he is a great asset for the side.

To those of you closer to the action is it right that the only reason he left in the first place was part of a deal to clear a bit of the salary cap for Benji's re-signing. If so it was only right that he be welcomed back with open arms.

A big risk to go to England at his youthful age and be left 'out of the loop'.

 

[crouching_tiger]

That extra few kilograms has definitely made him a more potent attacking weapon

But he's also lost a few kilograms up top.. :sunglasses:

 

[system]

Was not fussed either way that he was going until I saw him in the Return to Redfern match in 2009\. Than it became clear how he was developing.

Regardless the year in Europe gave him a different experience, let him see that part of the world whilst being paid to be there and continue along his path.

Glad he is back and playing well thus far

 

[Guest]

Fulton and Fitzhenry have both been undeniably great acqusitions for the club and have lead from the front with their experience. Both quietly acheiving what is required from them from the coach and great to have around the club to keep the staff on their toes.
No surprises the club is going from strength to strength since these two pests have been back! :smiley:

Fulton yes, Fitzhenry no. He's doing bugger all out on the field CT and has been ordinary to say the least.

 

[alexaki]

Fulton has surprised me…very happy he's back!