Little things that made the difference in 2010

[hybrid_tiger]

I dont think anyones volte-face has been as significant as yours.

I suppose you were premature in essentially condemning the season as more of the same?

:unamused:

 

[Geo]

I don't agree with Timmy B especially in regards to the OP…. but I bet there are a small element of fans that would be privately fuming at the Clubs fortunes in 2010....

Best thing about it is the little things have accumulated and the Wests Tigers will give the comp a hugh shake...

PUMPED.....

 

[Eddie]

I dont think anyones volte-face has been as significant as yours.

I suppose you were premature in essentially condemning the season as more of the same?

LOL, wouldn't have a clue who you are champ but you obviously seem to follow my posts closely?

Anyway, I was very angry after both Souths game this season. Made a few angry posts after each as did many fans. However for the most part I have been pretty positive and made numerous posts congratulating the team on their changed mentality this season. I predicted at the start of the season we would come 6th.

Do you want me to go through and find them all for you bud?
Or do you want me to apoligise again for underestimating the team at times this season?

Following me around suggests I might of got under your skin a little over the season? Anyway mate, I have been negative over the years, but 95% were due to the results we were getting and most was constructive.
I'm very happy thee team is doing well buddy whether you think so or not

 

[MGB]

I dont think anyones volte-face has been as significant as yours.

I suppose you were premature in essentially condemning the season as more of the same?

LOL, wouldn't have a clue who you are champ but you obviously seem to follow my posts closely?

Anyway, I was very angry after both Souths game this season. Made a few angry posts after each as did many fans. However for the most part I have been pretty positive and made numerous posts congratulating the team on their changed mentality this season. I predicted at the start of the season we would come 6th.

Do you want me to go through and find them all for you bud?
Or do you want me to apoligise again for underestimating the team at times this season?

Following me around suggests I might of got under your skin a little over the season? Anyway mate, I have been negative over the years, but 95% were due to the results we were getting and most was constructive.
I'm very happy thee team is doing well buddy whether you think so or not

ha..this actually cracks me up. Eddie I have definately noticed you have been a lot more positive this year..no question about it. Timmy B hasn't been around long obviously as seasons past you have been the voice of doom…and to be fair rightly so in most cases.

 

[alien]

I know something that has made a huge difference - and that is John Morris not being in the halves anymore stuffing our attack up all the time.

 

[Eddie]

Yep, Timmy must be a long suffering fan who has been around these places. I was the voice of doom in some respects, and like you say in some respects that doom was justified in respects to where we finished in the competition in those seasons.

However I think Timmy thinks I am one who gets enjoyment out of losses, or enjoyment out of seeing guys like Sheens fail. I have always said its based on results, and if the likes of Sheens and certain players get better results I will give them credit, and in the process admit I was wrong in some respects. I actually gave the team alot of credit this season after the wins over Brisbane and the win over the Cows at Leichhardt when many others were bagging the team. It was all about creating a winning culture for mine, stuff the process just win I don't really care how ugly.

Anyway, I have probably dished it out to a few of the "positive brigade" over the course of 2006-2009\. Timmy might of been one of those. So if he is comin at me with a bit of lip, i suppose in some respects that is fair enough. Just not sure he is seeing things right in terms of the stuff I have said over the course of this season.

 

[TimmyB]

Wait a second, because I have noticed your posts before I´m following you around? Whether or not you like the fact, you are one of the most vociferously negative posters around. It´s pretty easy to recall the general theme of your posts.

Anyway, I don´t actually believe anyone wants to see the team and Sheens fail. I find that suggestion as preposterous and insulting. I just find it a little frustrating that 3 weeks ago someone who was starting a thread about Sheens missing the top 8 returns when a top 4 position is sealed with a lengthy post about what the difference was this year. Surely those differences were present four weeks ago?

Perhaps you have been a little more positive this year. Overall, it´s become so damn monotonous that it´s hard to say. Anyway. I appreciate the effort for a response. If nothing else, you always think out your replies - unlike others who prefer to align themselves to other posters with snide comments and emoticons.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

Wait a second, because I have noticed your posts before I´m following you around? Whether or not you like the fact, you are one of the most vociferously negative posters around. It´s pretty easy to recall the general theme of your posts.

Anyway, I don´t actually believe anyone wants to see the team and Sheens fail. I find that suggestion as preposterous and insulting. I just find it a little frustrating that 3 weeks ago someone who was starting a thread about Sheens missing the top 8 returns when a top 4 position is sealed with a lengthy post about what the difference was this year. Surely those differences were present four weeks ago?

Perhaps you have been a little more positive this year. Overall, it´s become so damn monotonous that it´s hard to say. Anyway. I appreciate the effort for a response. If nothing else, you always think out your replies - unlike others who prefer to align themselves to other posters with snide comments and emoticons.

Eddie's posts have always been well thought out, and hardly monotonous, or vociferously negative as you have suggested. It's called constructive criticism, and based on this clubs performances and results from 2006-2009, Eddie's (and many others) posts were completely warranted.

Posts that suggest fans who take the time to post on a Tigers internet forum actually want to see the team fail – now this is what I would consider vociferously negative and actually quite pathetic.

Anyway, a month ago we threw away a game to an understrength Souffs side, and based on our finishes to the season between 2006 - 2009, any negative/downbeat posts at that time were completely justified. To Sheens' and the clubs credit, we have buckled down and come out a much better side, and everyone is completely over the moon with the finish to this season. Yet someone like Eddie starts a positive thread congratulating the team on this, and you come in and take the moral high ground, hijack the thread with rubbish, and snide remarks then accuse others of doing the same.

And if you're referring to me as someone who posts snide comments and emoticons, you'd be wrong. I have often been highly critical of our coaching staff and club, but I would like to think that I give credit where credit is due, and that I always back up any criticisms. Your first post in this thread didn't deserve anything other than an emoticon.

 

[Geo]

They weren't justified when you consider a week is a long time in footy..

In 2007 2008 2009 were not epic fails IMO we were close and if the little things had accumulated in those Melbourne Storm Rorting years we probably have played finals in at least 2….

Have a look at the team thread for this week and nothing has changed and they haven't even kicked off yet... :unamused:

 

[underdog]

I know something that has made a huge difference - and that is John Morris not being in the halves anymore stuffing our attack up all the time.

Its interesting that - John Morris was indeed a very stilted player for us, didn't fit into our side all that well, however he has been going gangbusters over at Cronulla, as their permanent hooker and dummy half. Suits their team style much better.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I know something that has made a huge difference - and that is John Morris not being in the halves anymore stuffing our attack up all the time.

Its interesting that - John Morris was indeed a very stilted player for us, didn't fit into our side all that well, however he has been going gangbusters over at Cronulla, as their permanent hooker and dummy half. Suits their team style much better.

I noticed he was very much in Farah's face in the game at Leichhardt. He had his measure and held his own very well. I'd never want to see him in a Tigers jersey again, but I wish him well wherever he plays.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

They weren't justified when you consider a week is a long time in footy..

In 2007 2008 2009 were not epic fails IMO we were close and if the little things had accumulated in those Melbourne Storm Rorting years we probably have played finals in at least 2….

Have a look at the team thread for this week and nothing has changed and they haven't even kicked off yet... :unamused:

I disagree Geo, they were failures and using the Storm's situation as an excuse isn't good enough, IMO. They were justified because that Souffs game we threw away had an eerie resemblance to the finishes of previous years.

Thankfully the little things have been corrected this year and we now find ourselves in the top four, hopefully with much more good to come.

 

[TimmyB]

Wait a second, because I have noticed your posts before I´m following you around? Whether or not you like the fact, you are one of the most vociferously negative posters around. It´s pretty easy to recall the general theme of your posts.

Anyway, I don´t actually believe anyone wants to see the team and Sheens fail. I find that suggestion as preposterous and insulting. I just find it a little frustrating that 3 weeks ago someone who was starting a thread about Sheens missing the top 8 returns when a top 4 position is sealed with a lengthy post about what the difference was this year. Surely those differences were present four weeks ago?

Perhaps you have been a little more positive this year. Overall, it´s become so damn monotonous that it´s hard to say. Anyway. I appreciate the effort for a response. If nothing else, you always think out your replies - unlike others who prefer to align themselves to other posters with snide comments and emoticons.

Eddie's posts have always been well thought out, and hardly monotonous, or vociferously negative as you have suggested. It's called constructive criticism, and based on this clubs performances and results from 2006-2009, Eddie's (and many others) posts were completely warranted.
**Posts that suggest fans who take the time to post on a Tigers internet forum actually want to see the team fail – now this is what I would consider vociferously negative and actually quite pathetic.**

Anyway, a month ago we threw away a game to an understrength Souffs side, and based on our finishes to the season between 2006 - 2009, any negative/downbeat posts at that time were completely justified. To Sheens' and the clubs credit, we have buckled down and come out a much better side, and everyone is completely over the moon with the finish to this season. Yet someone like Eddie starts a positive thread congratulating the team on this, and you come in and take the moral high ground, hijack the thread with rubbish, and snide remarks then accuse others of doing the same.

And if you're referring to me as someone who posts snide comments and emoticons, you'd be wrong. I have often been highly critical of our coaching staff and club, but I would like to think that I give credit where credit is due, and that I always back up any criticisms. Your first post in this thread didn't deserve anything other than an emoticon.

For the bold bit, I absolutely agree with that. I find those suggestions absurd and downright peurile. Ive stated that as above.

I may have been a little rash in my comment. However, for a couple of years these boards have been overwhelmed by pessismism and criticism. This in turn has lead to - in my mind - some pretty harsh appraisals of Sheens. In my opinion they have far exceeded what was justified. I would like to think that at least some of those views have categorically proven as incorrect. Whatever the record of the previous years, we are currently in a position to win the premiership. In my opinion, all the calls for Sheens sacking will look pretty silly. You may argue they were justifed at the time, but in my opinion that is pretty poor excuse. The fact that Sheens has put the team within striking distance of the premiership suggests to me that it was the correct decision to retain him. No ifs, no buts.

Admittedly I was harsh on Eddie in the thread. Of those who err on the side of negativity he does post the most reasoned analysis. I maintain that it is a pretty quick turnaround from the Souths game. Perhaps that was because of the emotion following the losss. It does make me wonder what the response will be if we play poor football and crash out in straight sets in the finals. Will that be enough to reverse the sentiment you´ve both expressed in this thread?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Wait a second, because I have noticed your posts before I´m following you around? Whether or not you like the fact, you are one of the most vociferously negative posters around. It´s pretty easy to recall the general theme of your posts.

Anyway, I don´t actually believe anyone wants to see the team and Sheens fail. I find that suggestion as preposterous and insulting. I just find it a little frustrating that 3 weeks ago someone who was starting a thread about Sheens missing the top 8 returns when a top 4 position is sealed with a lengthy post about what the difference was this year. Surely those differences were present four weeks ago?

Perhaps you have been a little more positive this year. Overall, it´s become so damn monotonous that it´s hard to say. Anyway. I appreciate the effort for a response. If nothing else, you always think out your replies - unlike others who prefer to align themselves to other posters with snide comments and emoticons.

Eddie's posts have always been well thought out, and hardly monotonous, or vociferously negative as you have suggested. It's called constructive criticism, and based on this clubs performances and results from 2006-2009, Eddie's (and many others) posts were completely warranted.
**Posts that suggest fans who take the time to post on a Tigers internet forum actually want to see the team fail – now this is what I would consider vociferously negative and actually quite pathetic.**

Anyway, a month ago we threw away a game to an understrength Souffs side, and based on our finishes to the season between 2006 - 2009, any negative/downbeat posts at that time were completely justified. To Sheens' and the clubs credit, we have buckled down and come out a much better side, and everyone is completely over the moon with the finish to this season. Yet someone like Eddie starts a positive thread congratulating the team on this, and you come in and take the moral high ground, hijack the thread with rubbish, and snide remarks then accuse others of doing the same.

And if you're referring to me as someone who posts snide comments and emoticons, you'd be wrong. I have often been highly critical of our coaching staff and club, but I would like to think that I give credit where credit is due, and that I always back up any criticisms. Your first post in this thread didn't deserve anything other than an emoticon.

For the bold bit, I absolutely agree with that. I find those suggestions absurd and downright peurile. Ive stated that as above.

I may have been a little rash in my comment. However, for a couple of years these boards have been overwhelmed by pessismism and criticism. This in turn has lead to - in my mind - some pretty harsh appraisals of Sheens. In my opinion they have far exceeded what was justified. I would like to think that at least some of those views have categorically proven as incorrect. Whatever the record of the previous years, we are currently in a position to win the premiership. In my opinion, all the calls for Sheens sacking will look pretty silly. You may argue they were justifed at the time, but in my opinion that is pretty poor excuse. The fact that Sheens has put the team within striking distance of the premiership suggests to me that it was the correct decision to retain him. No ifs, no buts.

Admittedly I was harsh on Eddie in the thread. Of those who err on the side of negativity he does post the most reasoned analysis. I maintain that it is a pretty quick turnaround from the Souths game. Perhaps that was because of the emotion following the losss. It does make me wonder what the response will be if we play poor football and crash out in straight sets in the finals. Will that be enough to reverse the sentiment you´ve both expressed in this thread?

Timmy, you'd have been hard pressed finding anyone on here who wasn't venting their spleen in disappointment after either Souths losses. That doesn't construe as a want for the side to fail, thats simply us demanding issues be resolved.

FTR I think it has been relatively easy for Sheens and the team to exceed expectations this year. As a few said earlier on this year, nothing short of a top four finish would be considered a successful season. The boys have stepped up and to think that anyone here would be actually upset at that is just insane.

 

[TimmyB]

Timmy, you'd have been hard pressed finding anyone on here who wasn't venting their spleen in disappointment after either Souths losses. That doesn't construe as a want for the side to fail, thats simply us demanding issues be resolved.

FTR I think it has been relatively easy for Sheens and the team to exceed expectations this year. As a few said earlier on this year, nothing short of a top four finish would be considered a successful season. The boys have stepped up and to think that anyone here would be actually upset at that is just insane.

I can´t believe I have to point out for the third time that I have not and am not accusing anyone of a desire to see the team fail.

I´m also not really sure how is it easy to exceed expectation if a top 4 finish was the barometer of a successful season? I´d say that´s is a fair degree of pressure.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Timmy, you'd have been hard pressed finding anyone on here who wasn't venting their spleen in disappointment after either Souths losses. That doesn't construe as a want for the side to fail, thats simply us demanding issues be resolved.

FTR I think it has been relatively easy for Sheens and the team to exceed expectations this year. As a few said earlier on this year, nothing short of a top four finish would be considered a successful season. The boys have stepped up and to think that anyone here would be actually upset at that is just insane.

I can´t believe I have to point out for the third time that I have not and am not accusing anyone of a desire to see the team fail.

I´m also not really sure how is it easy to exceed expectation if a top 4 finish was the barometer of a successful season? I´d say that´s is a fair degree of pressure.

And I never said you did… I'm simply saying there were many people on this forum (I was one after the round 10 loss,) who wrote our season off and/or demanding wholesale changes in the team and coaching staff.

And it is easy to exceed expectation when you've missed out on the finals four years running. That was the point I was making there.

 

[Eddie]

Wait a second, because I have noticed your posts before I´m following you around? Whether or not you like the fact, you are one of the most vociferously negative posters around. It´s pretty easy to recall the general theme of your posts.

Anyway, I don´t actually believe anyone wants to see the team and Sheens fail. I find that suggestion as preposterous and insulting. I just find it a little frustrating that 3 weeks ago someone who was starting a thread about Sheens missing the top 8 returns when a top 4 position is sealed with a lengthy post about what the difference was this year. Surely those differences were present four weeks ago?

Perhaps you have been a little more positive this year. Overall, it´s become so damn monotonous that it´s hard to say. Anyway. I appreciate the effort for a response. If nothing else, you always think out your replies - unlike others who prefer to align themselves to other posters with snide comments and emoticons.

Eddie's posts have always been well thought out, and hardly monotonous, or vociferously negative as you have suggested. It's called constructive criticism, and based on this clubs performances and results from 2006-2009, Eddie's (and many others) posts were completely warranted.
**Posts that suggest fans who take the time to post on a Tigers internet forum actually want to see the team fail – now this is what I would consider vociferously negative and actually quite pathetic.**

Anyway, a month ago we threw away a game to an understrength Souffs side, and based on our finishes to the season between 2006 - 2009, any negative/downbeat posts at that time were completely justified. To Sheens' and the clubs credit, we have buckled down and come out a much better side, and everyone is completely over the moon with the finish to this season. Yet someone like Eddie starts a positive thread congratulating the team on this, and you come in and take the moral high ground, hijack the thread with rubbish, and snide remarks then accuse others of doing the same.

And if you're referring to me as someone who posts snide comments and emoticons, you'd be wrong. I have often been highly critical of our coaching staff and club, but I would like to think that I give credit where credit is due, and that I always back up any criticisms. Your first post in this thread didn't deserve anything other than an emoticon.

For the bold bit, I absolutely agree with that. I find those suggestions absurd and downright peurile. Ive stated that as above.

I may have been a little rash in my comment. However, for a couple of years these boards have been overwhelmed by pessismism and criticism. This in turn has lead to - in my mind - some pretty harsh appraisals of Sheens. In my opinion they have far exceeded what was justified. I would like to think that at least some of those views have categorically proven as incorrect. Whatever the record of the previous years, we are currently in a position to win the premiership. In my opinion, all the calls for Sheens sacking will look pretty silly. You may argue they were justifed at the time, but in my opinion that is pretty poor excuse. The fact that Sheens has put the team within striking distance of the premiership suggests to me that it was the correct decision to retain him. No ifs, no buts.

Admittedly I was harsh on Eddie in the thread. Of those who err on the side of negativity he does post the most reasoned analysis. I maintain that it is a pretty quick turnaround from the Souths game. Perhaps that was because of the emotion following the losss. It does make me wonder what the response will be if we play poor football and crash out in straight sets in the finals. Will that be enough to reverse the sentiment you´ve both expressed in this thread?

Never attacked Sheens personally. Given I have made then less then 1 posts per day since July last season I don't think I have been overly jaming negative things down peoples throats. My only gripe with Sheens was that he recieved 2 upgrades on the back of poor seasons in 2007 and 2009\. You could argue either way whether it was justified given our failures in 2008, 2009 and our unqualified success in 2010\. I can take your view that it was the right decision now in hindsight although it still required a fair degree of paitence. One thing I praised Sheens for this past season was his change of philosophy in recruitment and his statements which led me to believe he and his team were going to be more accountable in 2010\. I had more optimism going into this season then the last 3.

My few posts after the Souths game were angry ones like I said. More to do with the emotion of it all as a couple of them were not constructive. Im sure 90% of posters on here have a few of them after going to games. Although I did make a constructive post regarding how some of the players and coaches had 1 month to save reputations, something they have been very well.

Timmy always happy to admit when ill wrong, or change my opinion on Sheens or different issues. One thing I won't do is move the goalposts, if the team is winning or generally doing well I won't stubbornly be negative to try and save face or keep to a certain opinion. I am more then happy for Sheens to stay as long as he likes if he produces seasons similar to this in the future. Things were looking to be going backwards or at the very least sideways for 4 seasons, however like I said in the original post little changes of attitude and philophy this off season made a big difference. And yes these things were still quite apparent after the Souths loss, although have been made much clearer since. :slight_smile: