Loyalty

[tigermaniac]

Some people just don't have a clue about life, let alone football. Loyalty these days is used when both parties believe they have sealed a deal that suits themselves. That is the real meaning of loyalty in today's game.
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Now this brings me to the Benji situation. Let's say you have a business and Benji was your star employee in a lawn mowing run, he used to be good, his work brought you business, but now you've lost business because he leaves people's houses looking like a mess, you discover he has a second job working in Maccas, and his commitment and long hours there is affecting his work. You talk to him about it and he assures you things will change, two weeks later you lose more jobs. Now you've stayed loyal, but things have got worse, you till him Maccas has to go if he wants to make things work. Is Benji prepared to be loyal and make changes and has his employer been loyal by giving him chances and a ultimatum. Or is it there is no such thing as loyalty. Money talks, bullshit walks.

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[pHyR3]

Yep, unfortunately i think it's time for him to leave. I was waiting to see if his improvement after the Souths game improved. It did for a bit, and now it's back to square 1.

 

[system]

Some people just don't have a clue about life, let alone football. Loyalty these days is used when both parties believe they have sealed a deal that suits themselves. That is the real meaning of loyalty in today's game.
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Now this brings me to the Benji situation. Let's say you have a business and Benji was your star employee in a lawn mowing run, he used to be good, his work brought you business, but now you've lost business because he leaves people's houses looking like a mess, you discover he has a second job working in Maccas, and his commitment and long hours there is affecting his work. You talk to him about it and he assures you things will change, two weeks later you lose more jobs. Now you've stayed loyal, but things have got worse, you till him Maccas has to go if he wants to make things work. Is Benji prepared to be loyal and make changes and has his employer been loyal by giving him chances and a ultimatum. Or is it there is no such thing as loyalty. Money talks, bullshit walks.

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It's a rugby league club. Not a lawn mowing business.

Benji has no excuse. Nothing is getting in his way apart from his ability.

I have no problem keeping him. As long as he isnt earning a dime more than he is now and As long as we don't lose promising young juniors for it. He can stay as long as he likes under those conditions. He should be happy to stay and watch the youngsters shine and be prepared to make way for them and the success of the club. That's loyalty.

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[innsaneink]

Benji's real life extra interests benefit the club in some way or another, where his fictional job frying fries doesnt.

If players merely played and did nothing else, no one would follow it.

We wouldnt read their articles, watch them as guests on TV…its promoting the game

 

[Black_n_White]

Loyalty…. Lockyer had it, signed for 200K in his twilight years if reports are correct.

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Benji's real life extra interests benefit the club in some way or another, where his fictional job frying fries doesnt.

If players merely played and did nothing else, no one would follow it.

We wouldnt read their articles, watch them as guests on TV…its promoting the game

If your talking about the footy show going on there and basically bagging the club over your contract negs is hardly benefiting the club.
Unless your working on the assumption that any publicity is good publicity?

 

[Eye_Of_Da_Tiger]

The club was loyal to him when he was busted up with shoulder reconstructions. That same employee wants a pretty big pay rise. Your right about one thing it's a buisness

 

[Peaches]

Loyalty…. Lockyer had it, signed for 200K in his twilight years if reports are correct.

He had massive third party deals outside the cap and as a 10 year veteran was getting most of that exemption.

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[foreveratiger]

Loyalty exists in the game as long as your form warrants it .

 

[mtd]

loyalty exists…

lockyer was loyal to brisbane (took less money)
johns was loyal to knights (took less money)

the ball is in his court really.

 

[Shooshmeister]

loyalty exists…

lockyer was loyal to brisbane (took less money)
johns was loyal to knights (took less money)

the ball is in his court really.

Agree totally. I have confidence that we now have some good people at the helm and Meyer and Potter arn't just taking it up th you no what because he used to be a big star. Loyalty was resigning him after his shoulder reconstructions.

Have a day withRobbie Farah Benji, and you will see what real loyality to the club is.

 

[tig_prmz]

benji is a brand- keeping him would keep our club financially happy (apart from the salary cap) but would hurt the team

tiger sstuck by him during his injuries and he stuck by us in his "golden time" (even though i call BS on this)- everything's fair enuf.. loyalty is not about signing contracts but playing them out as well… he would not be considered loyal if he doesn't play out the 2 years

 

[3cats]

People need to realise it's a business, loyalty only comes into it when it's in the best interest for all parties involved. clubs want players at the cheapest price they can and if a player can't get the money else where or wants to stay for other reasons then the club gets to keep the player for a cheap price.

 

[innsaneink]

Benji's real life extra interests benefit the club in some way or another, where his fictional job frying fries doesnt.

If players merely played and did nothing else, no one would follow it.

We wouldnt read their articles, watch them as guests on TV…its promoting the game

If your talking about the footy show going on there and basically bagging the club over your contract negs is hardly benefiting the club.
Unless your working on the assumption that any publicity is good publicity?

You cite one example which is the ecxeption rather than the rule.
One.
How many times he been on there?
I dont watch the crap, but I assume its dozens

 

[Peaches]

I'm pretty sure his channel 9 commitments and his column in the Herald are part of the 3rd party deals that he signed last time. So having a go at him for fulfilling his contract is ill-advised.

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[Tiger_Watto]

There is still some forms of loyalty, but contract negotiations are not just between Benji & the CEO. There will be player managers; coaches; board influence; sponsorship influens; and third party benefactors who all have an opinion.

There is many influences where it can breakdown… and Player Managers who shop their clients around without the consent of the player don't help either party build loyalty!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Loyalty…. Lockyer had it, signed for 200K in his twilight years if reports are correct.

He had massive third party deals outside the cap and as a 10 year veteran was getting most of that exemption.

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The Thoroughbreds were probably topping his contract up big time too.

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[Black_n_White]

Loyalty…. Lockyer had it, signed for 200K in his twilight years if reports are correct.

He had massive third party deals outside the cap and as a 10 year veteran was getting most of that exemption.

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The Thoroughbreds were probably topping his contract up big time too.

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Agree Cultured …. thats why I kind of left it alone. He was on 200-250k a year from the club, with one 100k on the books sponsor as well, thats 350k max. He was also said to have several other sponsors, structured differently so they were not taken into the cap scheme, could have been on the board of directors of a company or 2 for example, and like an out of football business, such as Lawrences investments, arent taken into cap consideration.

If Tauber had any idea he would work with acceptable models previously proven if his client had half the media swing and appeal he thinks he has. Instead he dribbles bullcrap and drags us through the mud in the press.

 

[pHyR3]

Benji's real life extra interests benefit the club in some way or another, where his fictional job frying fries doesnt.

If players merely played and did nothing else, no one would follow it.

We wouldnt read their articles, watch them as guests on TV…its promoting the game

If your talking about the footy show going on there and basically bagging the club over your contract negs is hardly benefiting the club.
Unless your working on the assumption that any publicity is good publicity?

You cite one example which is the ecxeption rather than the rule.
One.
How many times he been on there?
I dont watch the crap, but I assume its dozens

exactly, was one of the reasons i was very upset that Beau was let go before Lote and Utai considering the extra boost he gives our club.

And remember go the Wests Tigers!

 

[jinu84]

loyalty exists…

lockyer was loyal to brisbane (took less money)
johns was loyal to knights (took less money)

the ball is in his court really.

Difference here Benji is being offered some substantial increases to his final 2 years with no extension. Far from taking less money.