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@2041 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365790) said:
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I agree with Madge…Brooks is coming into his prime now. He will be better over the next 3 or 4 seasons than he ever has been.

We need to win games though. I have no problems with Brooks as our halfback but we need better players in other positions because he is only ever going to be a system halfback. He is a cog in a machine who can do a lot right and not get caught out but he isn't going to be the player you rely on to win your competitions.

He is nowhere near as bad as the criticism he receives at times. We just gotta make sure his contract dollars reflect his ability.

Just saying, we make the 8 comfortably if we had any half decent goal kicker in 2019

Maybe 2016 aswell

But in 2019 we lost 3 games by 2 points or less, goal kicking being the difference

Brooks criticism is he cannot “lead” a team to finals footy, I think goal kicking woes has been half the issue

This gets said a lot but it's really not true. Well, it sort of is: the Tigers would have made the eight in 2019 if there were no goal kicks: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/hey-sharks-if-only-where-every-nrl-team-would-sit-if-goal-kicks-were-given-the-flick/news-story/95bea3dd2c454a394fadcc25c11d9ae5

However, this absolutely doesn't mean we were killed by bad goal kicking. We would have come eighth instead of ninth with exactly the same points tally (24). The Broncos dropping from eighth to 10th is the only material difference, thus allowing us to scrape into the finals.

In this version of the comp we'd have played Canberra away in round one of the finals, incidentally.

I don’t know how many people remember this but Marsters missed an absolute sitter against Penrith, we lose 9-8 in a terrible game of football

Vs Melbourne... Will Chambers scores in the 79th minute for them to win 24-22

Vs Bulldogs we lose 18-16 and Momo misses a fairly easy kick to tie

I'm not denying any of that. But other teams have those stories too. The link shows that with no goal kicks we would have finished 2016 on exactly the same number of competition points as we actually got, and climbed exactly one place. Don't get me wrong, I'd have taken it - but this idea that the Tigers are or were uniquely disadvantaged by bad goal kicking just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

The scrutiny for the Tigers as a club is that we haven’t made the finals for 10 years blah blah
Brooks is the scape goat in a team sport, I’m pretty sure he was responsible for dropping Cinis bombs vs the Titans

That’s how ridiculous it was getting

All I’m trying to say is if you’re gonna blame him you blame other aspects of the game aswell, IE in this case goal kicking
 
I said way earlier at the season start that this year could be Lukes defining year or standout year...I failed to see how difficult a job Madge has had to coach the inexperienced and the experienced from different systems...
I have been fully on board with this season being the real learning curve and final platform for a great 2022..
On luke,I have many times critiqued him as well as stuck up for him,thats my overwhelming support and love for the club coming out in me..
I have realised that its not easy to do your job if people around you dont do theirs or fully know their job...Luke has been shuffled through a heap of coaches trying to get him to do what they want instead of capatilising on Lukes natural game.Madge has stuck by him through the bagging and calls to drop him..Madge made some selections that made many of our forum members call for his head,but in the end Madges coaching skills and selections got us a win and saw some true skills come out in players changing positions,,AD was outstanding at centre,Luke showed his true playing ability with an experienced play maker in Mbye beside him..
If we remain on this path for the weeks ahead and dont get any injuries the team selected as last week will get better each week,and if Madge does bring up some younger players that will be a bonus to see how they go...
The garbage and vitriol aimed at Luke,Madge AND Mbye should cease hopefully,because as much as people dislike each of them they still are part of our club and supporter family and we must stay positive for the remainder of the year....
 
I'm a Brooks fan and my faith has been severely tested this year, but if anything has become clear this year, its his need to run the ball. Everything falls into place off the back of that. Last week showed he still has it in him, lets hope it continues. thought his kicking game was excellent against the knights, continually pinned them into corners and found the turf. more of that and our forward pack does less work and lays a platform for him.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365806) said:
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@speed2burn said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365682) said:
Speaking ahead of Sunday afternoon’s blockbuster Manly vs Parramatta game, which can be seen on sports streaming service Kayo, Moses condemned the relentless media criticism which has been directed at Brooks this season.
“It was really unwarranted, to be honest,” Moses said.

“You’ve got to expect the criticism I guess, when you play halfback in a first-grade side … when your team’s losing, all the criticism goes to you.

“But I think it was really unwarranted. It’s a team effort, and for all the pressure to go on him was pretty stupid.

“The footy he played on the weekend was outstanding — he was probably one of the best players over the weekend. He controlled the game and took the line on offer.

Fancy Moses putting his 2 cents in lol


The Brooks hate is reaching insane proportions when you merely post a somewhat positive article about Brooks written by someone else that paints him in a good light and you get two downvotes!?!?!

I can just see the Brooks haters with their faces screwed up in rage bashing the thumbs down.

Crazy

Pathological hate. It is not nice.

And Pathological love is just as bad ......not accepting you jumped on the wrong horse and jockey and admitting you were wwwwwwwwwwwrong .....
 
@truetiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365819) said:
I said way earlier at the season start that this year could be Lukes defining year or standout year...I failed to see how difficult a job Madge has had to coach the inexperienced and the experienced from different systems...
I have been fully on board with this season being the real learning curve and final platform for a great 2022..
On luke,I have many times critiqued him as well as stuck up for him,thats my overwhelming support and love for the club coming out in me..
I have realised that its not easy to do your job if people around you dont do theirs or fully know their job...Luke has been shuffled through a heap of coaches trying to get him to do what they want instead of capatilising on Lukes natural game.Madge has stuck by him through the bagging and calls to drop him..Madge made some selections that made many of our forum members call for his head,but in the end Madges coaching skills and selections got us a win and saw some true skills come out in players changing positions,,AD was outstanding at centre,Luke showed his true playing ability with an experienced play maker in Mbye beside him..
If we remain on this path for the weeks ahead and dont get any injuries the team selected as last week will get better each week,and if Madge does bring up some younger players that will be a bonus to see how they go...
The garbage and vitriol aimed at Luke,Madge AND Mbye should cease hopefully,because as much as people dislike each of them they still are part of our club and supporter family and we must stay positive for the remainder of the year....

I think you need to add suspensions to the injury list TT ..Saints get a couple more suspended this week and we will win by forfeit in Rd 12
 
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365833) said:
@truetiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365819) said:
I said way earlier at the season start that this year could be Lukes defining year or standout year...I failed to see how difficult a job Madge has had to coach the inexperienced and the experienced from different systems...
I have been fully on board with this season being the real learning curve and final platform for a great 2022..
On luke,I have many times critiqued him as well as stuck up for him,thats my overwhelming support and love for the club coming out in me..
I have realised that its not easy to do your job if people around you dont do theirs or fully know their job...Luke has been shuffled through a heap of coaches trying to get him to do what they want instead of capatilising on Lukes natural game.Madge has stuck by him through the bagging and calls to drop him..Madge made some selections that made many of our forum members call for his head,but in the end Madges coaching skills and selections got us a win and saw some true skills come out in players changing positions,,AD was outstanding at centre,Luke showed his true playing ability with an experienced play maker in Mbye beside him..
If we remain on this path for the weeks ahead and dont get any injuries the team selected as last week will get better each week,and if Madge does bring up some younger players that will be a bonus to see how they go...
The garbage and vitriol aimed at Luke,Madge AND Mbye should cease hopefully,because as much as people dislike each of them they still are part of our club and supporter family and we must stay positive for the remainder of the year....

I think you need to add suspensions to the injury list TT ..Saints get a couple more suspended this week and we will win by forfeit in Rd 12

Fair point Hap,just hope Madge has taught them how not to tackle this week with the new rules...
 
@speed2burn said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365816) said:
@2041 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365790) said:
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@2041 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365783) said:
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@earl said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365719) said:
@twentyforty said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365686) said:
I agree with Madge…Brooks is coming into his prime now. He will be better over the next 3 or 4 seasons than he ever has been.

We need to win games though. I have no problems with Brooks as our halfback but we need better players in other positions because he is only ever going to be a system halfback. He is a cog in a machine who can do a lot right and not get caught out but he isn't going to be the player you rely on to win your competitions.

He is nowhere near as bad as the criticism he receives at times. We just gotta make sure his contract dollars reflect his ability.

Just saying, we make the 8 comfortably if we had any half decent goal kicker in 2019

Maybe 2016 aswell

But in 2019 we lost 3 games by 2 points or less, goal kicking being the difference

Brooks criticism is he cannot “lead” a team to finals footy, I think goal kicking woes has been half the issue

This gets said a lot but it's really not true. Well, it sort of is: the Tigers would have made the eight in 2019 if there were no goal kicks: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-premiership/teams/hey-sharks-if-only-where-every-nrl-team-would-sit-if-goal-kicks-were-given-the-flick/news-story/95bea3dd2c454a394fadcc25c11d9ae5

However, this absolutely doesn't mean we were killed by bad goal kicking. We would have come eighth instead of ninth with exactly the same points tally (24). The Broncos dropping from eighth to 10th is the only material difference, thus allowing us to scrape into the finals.

In this version of the comp we'd have played Canberra away in round one of the finals, incidentally.

I don’t know how many people remember this but Marsters missed an absolute sitter against Penrith, we lose 9-8 in a terrible game of football

Vs Melbourne... Will Chambers scores in the 79th minute for them to win 24-22

Vs Bulldogs we lose 18-16 and Momo misses a fairly easy kick to tie

I'm not denying any of that. But other teams have those stories too. The link shows that with no goal kicks we would have finished 2016 on exactly the same number of competition points as we actually got, and climbed exactly one place. Don't get me wrong, I'd have taken it - but this idea that the Tigers are or were uniquely disadvantaged by bad goal kicking just doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

The scrutiny for the Tigers as a club is that we haven’t made the finals for 10 years blah blah
Brooks is the scape goat in a team sport, I’m pretty sure he was responsible for dropping Cinis bombs vs the Titans

That’s how ridiculous it was getting

All I’m trying to say is if you’re gonna blame him you blame other aspects of the game aswell, IE in this case goal kicking

Brooks has always been a noted goal kicker so why in the past hasn’t he put his hand up while Marsters and co were useless..
Not good enough imo
 
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365848) said:
Brooks has always been a noted goal kicker

lol... like when...anyway...I'm sure they have kick-off's at training...whoever gets the most Wins..
 
@geo said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365854) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365848) said:
Brooks has always been a noted goal kicker

lol... like when...anyway...I'm sure they have kick-off's at training...whoever gets the most Wins..

Are you accusing Luke of tanking in the kick offs ....
 
@geo said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365854) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365848) said:
Brooks has always been a noted goal kicker

lol... like when...anyway...I'm sure they have kick-off's at training...whoever gets the most Wins..

Nah that’s Bull and you know it ..
He’s been kicking goals since under 10’s
But because he’s such an introvert and a shy boy he obviously didn’t want the gig ..
Fancy sitting back and watching your team choke out in games knowing you would’ve been a better option at goal kicking ...
I’ll say it again .. not good enough.

He’s had one good game .. let’s hope it’s two ( this week)
 
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365859) said:
@geo said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365854) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365848) said:
Brooks has always been a noted goal kicker

lol... like when...anyway...I'm sure they have kick-off's at training...whoever gets the most Wins..

Are you accusing Luke of tanking in the kick offs ....

No..I'm say the kickers at the time kicked at 98% at training and only went to water in games..
 
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365859) said:
@geo said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365854) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365848) said:
Brooks has always been a noted goal kicker

lol... like when...anyway...I'm sure they have kick-off's at training...whoever gets the most Wins..

Are you accusing Luke of tanking in the kick offs ....

Maybe in touch finders ?
 
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365861) said:
@geo said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365854) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365848) said:
Brooks has always been a noted goal kicker

lol... like when...anyway...I'm sure they have kick-off's at training...whoever gets the most Wins..

Nah that’s Bull and you know it ..
He’s been kicking goals since under 10’s
But because he’s such an introvert and a shy boy he obviously didn’t want the gig ..
Fancy sitting back and watching your team choke out in games knowing you would’ve been a better option at goal kicking ...
I’ll say it again .. not good enough.

He’s had one good game .. let’s hope it’s two ( this week)

That's harsh ...he has had 2.25 good games this season ...leave him alone
 
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365861) said:
@geo said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365854) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365848) said:
Brooks has always been a noted goal kicker

lol... like when...anyway...I'm sure they have kick-off's at training...whoever gets the most Wins..

Nah that’s Bull and you know it ..
He’s been kicking goals since under 10’s
But because he’s such an introvert and a shy boy he obviously didn’t want the gig ..
Fancy sitting back and watching your team choke out in games knowing you would’ve been a better option at goal kicking ...
I’ll say it again .. not good enough.

He’s had one good game .. let’s hope it’s two ( this week)

It's also NRL where the coach picks the kicker's not Under 10's where whoever gets a go..
 
@geo said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365865) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365861) said:
@geo said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365854) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365848) said:
Brooks has always been a noted goal kicker

lol... like when...anyway...I'm sure they have kick-off's at training...whoever gets the most Wins..

Nah that’s Bull and you know it ..
He’s been kicking goals since under 10’s
But because he’s such an introvert and a shy boy he obviously didn’t want the gig ..
Fancy sitting back and watching your team choke out in games knowing you would’ve been a better option at goal kicking ...
I’ll say it again .. not good enough.

He’s had one good game .. let’s hope it’s two ( this week)

It's also NRL where the coach picks the kicker's not Under 10's where whoever gets a go..

Or maybe the coach thought Brooks was under 10’s and just helping out at training ?
 
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365868) said:
@geo said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365865) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365861) said:
@geo said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365854) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365848) said:
Brooks has always been a noted goal kicker

lol... like when...anyway...I'm sure they have kick-off's at training...whoever gets the most Wins..

Nah that’s Bull and you know it ..
He’s been kicking goals since under 10’s
But because he’s such an introvert and a shy boy he obviously didn’t want the gig ..
Fancy sitting back and watching your team choke out in games knowing you would’ve been a better option at goal kicking ...
I’ll say it again .. not good enough.

He’s had one good game .. let’s hope it’s two ( this week)

It's also NRL where the coach picks the kicker's not Under 10's where whoever gets a go..

Or maybe the coach thought Brooks was under 10’s and just helping out at training ?

I tell you if we brought out a Brooks Bobblehead it would be easily our best selling piece of merchandise .......
 
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@speed2burn said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1365682) said:
Speaking ahead of Sunday afternoon’s blockbuster Manly vs Parramatta game, which can be seen on sports streaming service Kayo, Moses condemned the relentless media criticism which has been directed at Brooks this season.
“It was really unwarranted, to be honest,” Moses said.

“You’ve got to expect the criticism I guess, when you play halfback in a first-grade side … when your team’s losing, all the criticism goes to you.

“But I think it was really unwarranted. It’s a team effort, and for all the pressure to go on him was pretty stupid.

“The footy he played on the weekend was outstanding — he was probably one of the best players over the weekend. He controlled the game and took the line on offer.

Fancy Moses putting his 2 cents in lol


The Brooks hate is reaching insane proportions when you merely post a somewhat positive article about Brooks written by someone else that paints him in a good light and you get two downvotes!?!?!

I can just see the Brooks haters with their faces screwed up in rage bashing the thumbs down.

Crazy

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