Madge’s Ability to Attract Stars

[Geo]

Madge isn’t a versatile coach, he can’t change his style. Accordingly to be successful he needs his own squad that can conform to his style. Unfortunately, doesn’t seem like many players want to play for him.

One thing I will say about Madge is he isn't able to adapt to get the best out of his squad, he needs the squad to adapt to get the best out of him.

Hmmmm..I've read that somewhere before..

 

[cochise]

Madge isn’t a versatile coach, he can’t change his style. Accordingly to be successful he needs his own squad that can conform to his style. Unfortunately, doesn’t seem like many players want to play for him.

One thing I will say about Madge is he isn't able to adapt to get the best out of his squad, he needs the squad to adapt to get the best out of him.

Hmmmm..I've read that somewhere before..

Where? lol

 

[TillLindemann]

Did Robbie Farah play origin?

Yes. Didn't Tuqiri too? As well as being a Kangaroo and Wallaby.

Also a lot of our best players haven't been eligible for Origin (Benji, Ellis, all our Islanders).

 

[JayT]

Is it Madge’s ability to attract stars? Or the clubs ability to attract stars. We’ve never signed a current origin player or Australian player ever in our history.

I agree that a Bennett or Bellamy would have the power to attract talent but that’s it, no other coach will be able to sign stars to our club

We just need to start making finals, show the players coming here isn’t a one way ticket to ending your career but it’s a way to make a great career. Soon as we have stability in our club and we can start being competitive, the players will come. Until then we will have to make do with Doueihi and Luciano type signings

Tim Sheens signed stars, Lote, Ellis etc.

 

[TillLindemann]

I can only think of two full on star players we've seriously chased and not got, in recent years. And they just happen to be best buddies who probably want to play together at Redfern.

 

[Telltails]

A lot of speculated chat about Maguire and his reputation with players and man management skills
When at Souths
"Maguire was the brains behind Inglis’ shift to fullback, Sutton’s discovery of self-belief. Adam Reynolds wasn’t a blip on the NRL radar at the start of last year - and just as importantly, like all the good coaches, Maguire has a knack of turning journeymen into players every club would dig deep to keep.

And whenever you start talking to these players, almost always the conversation goes back to the coach.

A man they respect and admire. A man who hates talking himself up - but the Rabbitohs' performances have made him the headline act"
So Maguire is either not the same man or perhaps some of you are listening to the wrong people.

 

[JC99]

Is it Madge’s ability to attract stars? Or the clubs ability to attract stars. We’ve never signed a current origin player or Australian player ever in our history.

I agree that a Bennett or Bellamy would have the power to attract talent but that’s it, no other coach will be able to sign stars to our club

We just need to start making finals, show the players coming here isn’t a one way ticket to ending your career but it’s a way to make a great career. Soon as we have stability in our club and we can start being competitive, the players will come. Until then we will have to make do with Doueihi and Luciano type signings

Tim Sheens signed stars, Lote, Ellis etc.

Lote was our last real marquee signing. Ellis was a great signing but was he a well known elite player when we signed him?

 

[TillLindemann]

Is it Madge’s ability to attract stars? Or the clubs ability to attract stars. We’ve never signed a current origin player or Australian player ever in our history.

I agree that a Bennett or Bellamy would have the power to attract talent but that’s it, no other coach will be able to sign stars to our club

We just need to start making finals, show the players coming here isn’t a one way ticket to ending your career but it’s a way to make a great career. Soon as we have stability in our club and we can start being competitive, the players will come. Until then we will have to make do with Doueihi and Luciano type signings

Tim Sheens signed stars, Lote, Ellis etc.

Lote was our last real marquee signing. Ellis was a great signing but was he a well known elite player when we signed him?

I think Gareth the Great was indeed big in England when we signed him.

 

[TillLindemann]

Is it Madge’s ability to attract stars? Or the clubs ability to attract stars. We’ve never signed a current origin player or Australian player ever in our history.

I agree that a Bennett or Bellamy would have the power to attract talent but that’s it, no other coach will be able to sign stars to our club

We just need to start making finals, show the players coming here isn’t a one way ticket to ending your career but it’s a way to make a great career. Soon as we have stability in our club and we can start being competitive, the players will come. Until then we will have to make do with Doueihi and Luciano type signings

Tim Sheens signed stars, Lote, Ellis etc.

Lote was our last real marquee signing. Ellis was a great signing but was he a well known elite player when we signed him?

I think Gareth the Great was indeed big in England when we signed him.

Speaking of which, when he retired recently, he was the first rugby league player to have played professionally in 4 decades (he first played in 99 I believe).

 

[Donjer]

@TYGA Coaches impact is very overrated with the exception of Bellamy, Bennett and few others.

Disagree with this comment 100%. If you've ever played sport at a reasonable level you'd know the difference a good coach makes.

 

[weststigerman]

It stinks, let’s be honest. For a premiership winning coach, his reputation isn’t a very good one. His recruitment has been only marginally better than Cleary’s. And I say marginally because he signed LL and AD who were solid signings in 2020. He can’t attract stars though, see JAC and LM. And he stinks at retention. He’s letting go McIntyre and ET, as well as maybe Aloiai. And his big re-signing is Seyfarth.

Unfortunately, if we want to recruit stars in theor prime, we need the coach first. We need a Bennett, Bellamy or Robinson. The stars would flock. Sadly for us, as much as we’ve tried to fool ourselves, Madge is not in the same class. He’s a poor man’s version.

It's a chicken and egg problem. We can't attract a better coach, Bennett knocked us back.

 

[earl]

We aren't really traveling well are we. Madge and or the club haven't been able to close the deal on a couple of top line players in the past two years. Losing McIntyre doesn't sound good as well.

I don't know if anyone is to blame though. I think the club is also making some good signings. I think LL, AD and potentially Blore are good signings. I can understand signing JL as well. It's a risk that hasn't as yet paid off but he could have a good season next year.

 

[cochise]

Is it Madge’s ability to attract stars? Or the clubs ability to attract stars. We’ve never signed a current origin player or Australian player ever in our history.

I agree that a Bennett or Bellamy would have the power to attract talent but that’s it, no other coach will be able to sign stars to our club

We just need to start making finals, show the players coming here isn’t a one way ticket to ending your career but it’s a way to make a great career. Soon as we have stability in our club and we can start being competitive, the players will come. Until then we will have to make do with Doueihi and Luciano type signings

Tim Sheens signed stars, Lote, Ellis etc.

Lote was our last real marquee signing. Ellis was a great signing but was he a well known elite player when we signed him?

Yes he was an elite player when we signed him.

 

[cochise]

It stinks, let’s be honest. For a premiership winning coach, his reputation isn’t a very good one. His recruitment has been only marginally better than Cleary’s. And I say marginally because he signed LL and AD who were solid signings in 2020. He can’t attract stars though, see JAC and LM. And he stinks at retention. He’s letting go McIntyre and ET, as well as maybe Aloiai. And his big re-signing is Seyfarth.

Unfortunately, if we want to recruit stars in theor prime, we need the coach first. We need a Bennett, Bellamy or Robinson. The stars would flock. Sadly for us, as much as we’ve tried to fool ourselves, Madge is not in the same class. He’s a poor man’s version.

It's a chicken and egg problem. We can't attract a better coach, Bennett knocked us back.

Bennett didn't knock us back, he wanted to come but didn't have a release from Brisbane. We weren't willing to wait 12 months for him to be available.

 

[Spartan117]

We have seen the difference the right marquee makes for a club with the Titans signing fafita.

 

[Geo]

Madge isn’t a versatile coach, he can’t change his style. Accordingly to be successful he needs his own squad that can conform to his style. Unfortunately, doesn’t seem like many players want to play for him.

One thing I will say about Madge is he isn't able to adapt to get the best out of his squad, he needs the squad to adapt to get the best out of him.

Hmmmm..I've read that somewhere before..

Where? lol

Right after..It's OK it's not his team..just wait till....never mind..

 

[Telltails]

It stinks, let’s be honest. For a premiership winning coach, his reputation isn’t a very good one. His recruitment has been only marginally better than Cleary’s. And I say marginally because he signed LL and AD who were solid signings in 2020. He can’t attract stars though, see JAC and LM. And he stinks at retention. He’s letting go McIntyre and ET, as well as maybe Aloiai. And his big re-signing is Seyfarth.

Unfortunately, if we want to recruit stars in theor prime, we need the coach first. We need a Bennett, Bellamy or Robinson. The stars would flock. Sadly for us, as much as we’ve tried to fool ourselves, Madge is not in the same class. He’s a poor man’s version.

It's a chicken and egg problem. We can't attract a better coach, Bennett knocked us back.

Bennett didn't knock us back, he wanted to come but didn't have a release from Brisbane. We weren't willing to wait 12 months for him to be available.

Ha - how can you possibly believe anything Wayne Bennett says

 

[TCL]

Yep, not many runs on the board at the moment.

Hard to say whether it’s the management, coach, current squad or perceived culture. But given they are collectively the one thing, the Wests Tigers are struggling to recruit. Obviously none of these things were appealing enough of there own that you would over look the other possible shortcomings.

Not sure how the club turns it around, bigger minds than mine are working on it you would hope. But winning/making the 8 will certainly help our chances.

We need a big signing and a couple of players to stand up and lead the way.

 

[cochise]

Madge isn’t a versatile coach, he can’t change his style. Accordingly to be successful he needs his own squad that can conform to his style. Unfortunately, doesn’t seem like many players want to play for him.

One thing I will say about Madge is he isn't able to adapt to get the best out of his squad, he needs the squad to adapt to get the best out of him.

Hmmmm..I've read that somewhere before..

Where? lol

Right after..It's OK it's not his team..just wait till....never mind..

I think it is a fair point, I think he needs players that suit his style to be successful, he doesn't appear to change his style to suit his squad.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

I blame the media for all of it. They build the perception of our club, players and coach and in recent memory, there has been nothing but negative press surrounding us for the most part. The stories about Madge in particular have been really ‘off’ lately.

For example, they way they carried on earlier in the year when Madge gave the team a spray and kicked the chair at halftime was blown way out of proportion. They just went on and on and on about it. They all acted like no other coach had ever done this! Have they never seen Hasler or Toovey in full flight in the dressing room? Have they not seen Bellamy’s expletive tirades in the coaches box, even when his team is winning, or Stuart’s angry gesturing on the sidelines?

Then there are the constant unfounded stories about the players not liking Maguire’s supposed hard style of coaching and not wanting to play under him - where was all this criticism of his coaching style when he coached Souths to a premiership? The press continually bag us for not making the 8 for so long, for letting so many good players go, for not being able to sign an elite player - so much so that it all becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy in the end.

Players always say that they don’t listen to the media stories going around or take any notice of anything, but they do, everyone does, whether we admit it or not. The same stories repeated often enough build into our psyche and we form our perceptions from it. Advertising is exactly the same, we say we can ignore it, but our subconscious mind takes it all in, whether we even realise it or not.