Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers

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[**‘I’m not dealing with kids here’: Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers**](https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/i-m-not-dealing-with-kids-here-maguire-lifts-lid-on-player-power-at-tigers-20210214-p572e5.html)

By [Michael Chammas](https://www.smh.com.au/by/michael-chammas-hvenc)

There’s a perception of Michael Maguire that the coach just can’t shake. Nor does he care to.

In the last two seasons, that perception has arguably cost the Wests Tigers the signatures of several big-name stars reluctant to become just another chapter in the story of the intense, ruthless coach who pushes his players to the brink - and sometimes beyond.

Last year, at the risk of losing his job, which has since been secured in the form of a two-year extension, Maguire drove his players beyond their comfort zone. Some turned on him.

"I was aware," Maguire admitted of the growing unrest in the playing group towards him. "I was well aware. We were pushing boundaries that we hadn’t pushed before. But we have to push the club to a higher level. If we keep doing things the same, we will get the same result."

When the Herald sat down to interview Maguire recently, it was apparent that little is known about the coach and his interests away from rugby league.

"You probably don’t ask the right questions," Maguire fires back. "You always want to go to the other stuff. I’ve got plenty of different interests."

But even when asked the "right questions", Maguire reverts back to an old school give-em-nothing approach that - for the most part - has served him well throughout his coaching career.

"It’s nothing that I want to share," he says. But it’s that very demeanour that amplifies a perception that is backed up by the stories of boa constrictors and baseball bats in dressing rooms, or how South Sydney players used to get fined for using certain words in the media.

"If they are doing it on the park, doesn’t that do the talking?" Maguire asks. "I get we need to do our part to promote the game and those sorts of things, but the success on the park is what creates the greatest ride.

"If I see my players successful and the boys enjoying the ride of what happens when you win a grand final, they get to see what’s real. Because I saw a lot of fans [at Souths] enjoying that ride. They are the ones I care about. I saw a lot of Souths fans living in hope. It went from hope to actually believing it. Then it was that belief that helped us achieve it. That’s more special than people knowing about what I do away from footy.

"The players may say certain things about how hard it was, but I tell you when they were doing that lap around that field with the trophy on grand final day, it was a pretty great moment. They are things this club deserves. That’s why I was so keen to come here."

On day one of pre-season, following a year of stories questioning his coaching methods and their effectiveness on the modern-day footballer, Maguire addressed a squad shorn of over 1000 games of experience. While his demands had previously been met with raised eyebrows by senior players, his audience is now largely receptive.

“I think we all know times have changed and you need to handle each person in a different light,” Maguire said. “But I’m also dealing with men. I’m not dealing with kids here. It is the responsibility of the senior guys to set a tone around what they want to achieve. If they go after that and they set standards, it influences the young ones.

“You’re growing these men to take ownership of what they are doing. We need leaders to help these younger generations realise that life is not easy. There are challenges, but if you fight through those challenges, it’s amazing what you can achieve.”

Maguire won’t go into detail about how his once-strong relationship with Tigers legend Benji Marshall deteriorated after he dropped the five-eighth following the round four loss to the Gold Coast Titans.

But Maguire made no apologies when asked if he made unnecessary changes that ultimately led to the players, in a private team meeting, admitting they were “walking on eggshells” around their coach.

“I’ve come to the club to make it successful,” Maguire said. “Did I make change for stimulation last year? Yeah, I did. At times it worked, at times it didn’t. But if you keep doing the same you’ll end up the same. I think sometimes you have to be able to get people out of their comfort zone to go to another level.”

Some at the Wests Tigers last year - both in the playing group and head office - questioned Maguire’s stomach for the fight when reports emerged that he had thrown his hat in the ring for other jobs.

Maguire admits he questioned his ability to succeed in the task of turning the joint venture into the powerhouse it could be given its membership and junior nursery. But he insists that, in the end, it only strengthened his resolve.

"Along the way people are going to talk and chatter and ask questions," Maguire said of the speculation that he was looking for another job.

“Did I have thoughts around how large the challenges ahead of me were going to be? Definitely, I’m not going to lie about that. When I sat down and the Wests Tigers became a club that was available to come to, it was the one I actually wanted. I see the size of the club and the momentum that will get behind the Wests Tigers is enormous. I feel that’s coming.

"Have I seen the change as fast as I would have liked? Probably not. There are more challenges in this job than what I’ve experienced before, but we will make this club successful."
 
Love how Madge talks. Dunno if he will win a premiership for us but he sure as hell is working his ass off to turn the culture around at our club. Love his passion for our club and he's put us into a good spot.

He's old school he's tough he doesn't mince his words but after years of being a club run by the players his hard attitude is just what we needed and it's proven to bring success
 
I truly love Madge Maguire.

He has the drive and determination to finally make my club that I wanted it to be for ever.

More power and support to him.
 
Mr egg shells caused a lot of issues, they won't be a problem now, the club will be a far better performed club this year without him
 
@851 said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303396) said:
Mr egg shells caused a lot of issues, they won't be a problem now, the club will be a far better performed club this year without him

That’s such crap aye . (The egg shells stuff not what you said ) . Benji literally twice , when facing the arse , went into promo mode . And he clearly took a couple of players with him to the circus . I bet most of those guys , if not all are on the departure list . It’s pretty much insinuated that the noise was coming from the old guys . Wow they really did think this was a retirement village . I’m so glad he got rid of them . As for the job looking stuff . Of course Madges manager looked around , he’s trying to get the best deal for his client , especially if his client has made it known to all and sundry that he wants to stay . He’s trying to create leverage and bargaining power.
 
@strongee said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303400) said:
@851 said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303396) said:
Mr egg shells caused a lot of issues, they won't be a problem now, the club will be a far better performed club this year without him

That’s such crap aye . (The egg shells stuff not what you said ) . Benji literally twice , when facing the arse , went into promo mode . And he clearly took a couple of players with him to the circus . I bet most of those guys , if not all are on the departure list . It’s pretty much insinuated that the noise was coming from the old guys . Wow they really did think this was a retirement village . I’m so glad he got rid of them . As for the job looking stuff . Of course Madges manager looked around , he’s trying to get the best deal for his client , especially if his client has made it known to all and sundry that he wants to stay . He’s trying to create leverage and bargaining power.

Mbye and benji come to mind. Last year must have been a tough one for Madge.



What other clubs were available to him?
 
@tony-soprano said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303401) said:
@strongee said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303400) said:
@851 said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303396) said:
Mr egg shells caused a lot of issues, they won't be a problem now, the club will be a far better performed club this year without him

That’s such crap aye . (The egg shells stuff not what you said ) . Benji literally twice , when facing the arse , went into promo mode . And he clearly took a couple of players with him to the circus . I bet most of those guys , if not all are on the departure list . It’s pretty much insinuated that the noise was coming from the old guys . Wow they really did think this was a retirement village . I’m so glad he got rid of them . As for the job looking stuff . Of course Madges manager looked around , he’s trying to get the best deal for his client , especially if his client has made it known to all and sundry that he wants to stay . He’s trying to create leverage and bargaining power.

Mbye and benji come to mind. Last year must have been a tough one for Madge.



What other clubs were available to him?

Probably all the ones without a coach . The wests tigers is an aircraft carrier . It takes some serious manoeuvring to turn it around . Most can’t do it . I reckon Madge can .
 
Its a pity Madge was not here when we had M.Moses at the club, that really would have been a joy for all of us fans.At least now every player knows what to expect and what is required both on and off the field.
Time for the players to start delivering or they can move on
 
@jadtiger said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303403) said:
Its a pity Madge was not here when we had M.Moses at the club, that really would have been a joy for all of us fans.At least now every player knows what to expect and what is required both on and off the field.
Time for the players to start delivering or they can move on

His uncle would have had to take him to a retreat , to deal with the mental anguish . Lol
 
@kazoo-kid said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303392) said:
“I’ve come to the club to make it successful,” Maguire said... if you keep doing the same you’ll end up the same. I think sometimes you have to be able to get people out of their comfort zone to go to another level.”

He's not talking rocket science here. Any of us who have lived a little know that after some learning or success you become stagnant and need to challenge yourself if you're to become better. And we've probably seen that some don't like to nudged out of their comfort zone.

If the results come on the field we have gotten ourselves a heck of a coach. It is one thing to have a winning season and another to implement a winning culture. The latter is much, much harder to do imo but he might just be doing it.
 
So glad we are finally over the sheens era..Farah and Marshall their comeback was seen as fairytale, imo it actually was a setback...they were too influential on the club and players such as Brooks....
 
That is a great article that virtually speaks for itself about the passion and drive Madge has for the club...
I wont be one bit surprised that BJ and JTJ will be entirely different players under Madges coaching this year and with their experience as well as James Tamou being here,our young players will certainly have the drive and ambition to become winners....
 
I like the admission of doubt... the admission that he's human and feels the same gammut of emotions that everyone else does. Maybe the self-doubt was only marginal, but he still owned up to it. He might have the staunch reputation of a granite boulder, but at the end of day he isn't, he's just very focussed and determined to execute his vision for the Mighty Tiges.
It also serves as a lesson to the younger players in facing adversity. In spite of his success, he still needed to climb more mountains and wade through more ditches but in the end he's still backing himself, and most importantly backing them to aspire to greatness.
 
Good on you Maguire. Keep it up, our previous boys club culture at WT got us nowhere and was long term detrimental to the clubs prospects. Its a huge haul, at some personal reputational risk for yourself, to break it and get back to being a professional club but I reckon you are doing it.
 
@jc99 said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303393) said:
Love how Madge talks. Dunno if he will win a premiership for us but he sure as hell is working his ass off to turn the culture around at our club. Love his passion for our club and he's put us into a good spot.

He's old school he's tough he doesn't mince his words but after years of being a club run by the players his hard attitude is just what we needed and it's proven to bring success

If he stays here long enough I reckon he will, if not atleast turn us into a consistent top 8 team which is all you can ask for
 
@speed2burn said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303416) said:
@jc99 said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303393) said:
Love how Madge talks. Dunno if he will win a premiership for us but he sure as hell is working his ass off to turn the culture around at our club. Love his passion for our club and he's put us into a good spot.

He's old school he's tough he doesn't mince his words but after years of being a club run by the players his hard attitude is just what we needed and it's proven to bring success

If he stays here long enough I reckon he will, if not atleast turn us into a consistent top 8 team which is all you can ask for

Either that or he’ll end up in the sanctuary ?
 
@speed2burn said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303416) said:
@jc99 said in [Maguire lifts lid on player power at Tigers](/post/1303393) said:
Love how Madge talks. Dunno if he will win a premiership for us but he sure as hell is working his ass off to turn the culture around at our club. Love his passion for our club and he's put us into a good spot.

He's old school he's tough he doesn't mince his words but after years of being a club run by the players his hard attitude is just what we needed and it's proven to bring success

If he stays here long enough I reckon he will, if not atleast turn us into a consistent top 8 team which is all you can ask for

I hope so. We are going in the right direction, we just need some star players. Hopefully our young talent can do that in the coming years or we can snag a top line player from somewhere else. Definitely feels like there's a culture shift happening but we will have to wait and see how long it takes to happen on the field
 
Love this article. Madge is what we need here to turn this club around. We’ve gone from soft nice to soft nice guy and that has done nothing for us. I reckon Benji , Reynolds and packer are the senior players that didn’t want to lead by example. With Tamou here I reckon he will make sure the senior players are behind madge 100%. I really hope he succeeds.
 

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