Maguire post match comments insanity?

[Depressed]

Sigh…. It’s getting harder and harder and a longer silence before i can think about the tigers. I had to delete several posts before i posted or id be shown the door….

 

[BAGNF05]

Sigh…. It’s getting harder and harder and a longer silence before i can think about the tigers. I had to delete several posts before i posted or id be shown the door….

You’d love to speak your mind on here hey

 

[Demps]

Sigh…. It’s getting harder and harder and a longer silence before i can think about the tigers. I had to delete several posts before i posted or id be shown the door….

Check ya PM'S.

 

[Pascoes_barber]

Come to the Discord

 

[tonza]

Have to laugh at people suggesting replacements......

Flanagan just gets me laughing all day - keep it up guys. Next you'll be suggesting Josh Hannay......oh please, stop it, my sides are hurting.......

Fair enough don't see them as being good myself but who would you 'realistically' be aiming for (available and willing to come)?

If the choice was mine, I'd keep him and see how the partnership with Sheens works out.

There are some laughable suggestions on here.

At the moment and with what I know about people, Cameron Ciraldo is the only person I would 'consider'. Is he available? I know he is very close to a core group at Penrith and I'm not sure he would have the same impact with a new club and new personalities. You have to remember, he has personally mentored those kids from a very early age. To be honest, I doubt he would leave and I know he is happy as it stands.

You only ever change players or coaches for someone better. For those that keep peddling Macguire is a hopeless coach and has never been any good.... Good luck to you, but Im glad you dont run the WT.

Cameron Ciraldo wont get a job at the Panthers as long as Nathan Cleary is there. He could be waiting a while for a decent job to appear. Given undertakings, for a set period from the club, we might just be able to real him in.

 

[tonza]

We have no leaders other than Doueihi . Sadly Brooks never steps up when his team needs him. The problems are obviously deeper than the coach & players & the review MUST be independent & not by the two who must also come under intense scrutiny. If not, nothing will change .

Agree. Doueihi also is very hot and cold as well. I am glad it is not my job to unravel this mob. However ,I dont think the players are responding to Madge but maybe that could be rectified with a couple of decent assistants.

 

[TigerNeddyK]

Maguire absolutely deluded: “I know exactly where the team is going and the organisation knows where the team is going”

So according to his ‘logic’ it was his plan for the side to leak 30 points a game this season. To let in seven tries to the wooden spooners, have no line breaks against the worst defensive side in the competition and clearly must’ve known the Tigers NRL team would go backwards under his coaching every year he has been here.

Was that his pitch in the job interview back in 2018? “I’m the man to take over Cleary. I know you guys were 9th this year with the 6th best defensive record but if you want to improve the club long term, then I’m the man to lead this club to 9th, 11th & 13th placed finishes. But that’s not all…I’ll take that middle of the road 6th best defensive record in 2018 and deliver the second worst defence in the comp by 2021.”

“Ohhh lots of points per game? That sounds exciting! You’re hired!!” Pascoe.


It’s a shame Maguire never told the members or fans that the club would need to get worse every year under his watch because if he did, we too would’ve tempered our expectations and understood years ago exactly where the team was going under Maguire. Backwards.

It’s always a good sign when you hear the head of any football department complaining about missing/injured players - Bellamy, robinson even Cleary whinge never about players missing. Ever. Don’t think the Rorters have complained once this year about the size of their injury toll (only the man at in which they were injured). I’m any event, successful leaders celebrate it as opportunity. The next man up will do his job and do it well. But not at the Tigers. Jimmy Tamou and Luke Garner and James Roberts and all these other winners that have led/steered the team to loss after loss this season will suddenly become winners after their time on the sidelines?

This supposed ‘leader’ is making excuse after excuse and keeps taking about sticking to a path. The path to losing? The path to averaging 40+ missed tackles per game? He blamed Ivan for the salary cap mess, he blames missing senior players and covid shutdown affecting game time of younger players not playing week in week out…but no other coach is whinging or trotting out this crap. Is covid only affecting the tigers. Clearly the game has moved beyond Maguire and his ‘systems’. Once he had the answers. Now he is an assistant coach at best.

Because calling the players and their efforts out won't work...
He's backing his players - The same as all the guys that came before him do - Same as most coaches do.
Won't help him in the end - They're not man enough to own it...
Happy to blame a ref or a coach...

Bang on....You have been round long enough to know that it's never the Player fault..with this Club..


That’s the point! Most coaches. Most coaches get sacked and this bloke should be too. Bellamy calls player’s efforts out. Why aren’t we? Perhaps because Maguire is not currently in a position to. If you think Maguire’s coaching systems and approach to running a football department is working or is even remotely successful in this day and age then you’re deluded too. Not once has he said “i got it wrong”, “i keep rewarding mediocrity”, “look at my results. They speak for themselves”.
He keeps doing the same crap on and off the pitch. Crap that may’ve worked in 2014 - “wests tigers are always in the fight!” or “this should be the most important day of your life!”

Yeah mate..clearly the playing group don’t agree. Why don’t they agree? Possibly because he doesn’t inspire them. His communication style or methods doesn’t appear to be resonating with them because they keep dishing up the same crap week after week and then they’re rewarded by being selected again the next week. He doesn’t resonate with a lot of players seemingly.

But clearly his methods are not even remotely close to ‘successful’ in 2021. Or his previous years coaching here - or the later years at souths. 18 wins from his last 52 games in charge there..he leaves and they make the preliminary final under the broncos worst coach ever. But no let’s keep blaming everyone else but the head of the football department. The person whose sole job it is to be successful on the pitch…and isn’t. Who can’t inspire previously successful players to reach those heights again. Who releases players to go and play finals for other clubs. Or when Bellamy loans grant to get nrl experience Maguire loans momarovski to get experience in the best system in the nrl only to then immediately release MoMo to add value not to the tigers but to the Panthers…and why? Because Maguire told momo that Leilua and Roberts would be first choice centres - this despite BJ Leilua’s own admission that he’d eaten too many chicken burgers and under delivered the previous season - bearing in mind BJ is now not even with the team in Qld whilst momo is suiting up for an expected GF. Or Macintyre playing in the finals for the Titans. Marshall for souffs and aloai for manly. Why did mbye and all those other cats want to leave. Because they didn’t think the club could be successful? Or because the coach didn’t want them? Either way it warrants determining. If they wanted to leave the tigers - why? If they weren’t delivering on the pitch - why? Now that’s big picture thinking. Watching that crap today against the Bulldogs it was like the Tigers should just admit that they are now a feeder club at best under Maguire and probably should be competing against Wentworthville & Blacktown workers. When i mentioned this to a mate his response was “a feeder club to Newtown jets?” ?

Maguire claims “Next year the team will be vastly different” with two confirmed new signings.


Vastly different would be a new coach.


You state “I want to be a part of the club that fixes up the errors of the past ... Whether or not people are willing to go the distance, time will tell.”

How long do you need? If we’ve finished 9,11&13 under you, are we 15th next year, 17th the year after (presuming expansion) THEN we start moving up the ladder? Can you just hold on until the centre of excellence
If you’re not judged on your results then what are you judged on? Your resemblance to Dom ‘Woogie’ Woganowski from the movie ‘Something About Mary’?

There are better coaches currently plying their trade in the NRL and let’s face it; until they step away from the game we will presumably continue to finish well below their clubs on the field & competition ladder.

We have some wonderful youngsters coming through flegg, ball, matts and reserve grade. What sort of players are they aspiring to be? The type that score zero against the worst team in the comp? The type that get flogged at Tommy’s farewell game..ahem..make that games. The type that get 60 put on them in Qld or 50 odd on Anzac Day? Presumably not. But those are your results. Yet you keep selecting the same players the following week employing the same moves, the same lack of effort in the tackle and the same slow line speed in defence and attack.

Thanks for your efforts Madge. I like your passion. But let’s face it : not all relationships are happily ever after.

Brilliant summation of everything I have been trying to say for weeks…??. Plus how is the lay back and give them time defence strategy we now use? I mean cmon. The first grade wets tigers always let the man with the ball dominate the play, they just stay back until they make their move, and then just arm grab

 

[TigerNeddyK]

Probably not the worst of our wide array of issues but Maguire mentioned "We had Daine Laurie, Adam Doueihi, Jimmy Tamou, Luke Garner, James Roberts, there's a number of senior players that add to what we need to do. We've got a number of players that with those names can steer a strong team around”.

Correct me if I’m wrong but James Roberts has been 18th man for at least 2 or 3 of the last 4 weeks and our coach is saying his absence is part of what cost us the match??? Who selects the team?

More early mad Monday madness

And picking Cini - Who's Been mostly Rubbish
Over a former Origin Player....

Mate, that was one of his better moves, and it was forced on him, Mbye was injured (driving to kogarah for a preview )

 

[TigerNeddyK]

If he’s gone, it won’t be official till the BS review, which surely wouldn’t end till after the grand final at the earliest. If they pull the trigger, pull it now. Don’t do what they did with JT and back him, only to sack him 3 weeks into the season. Last thing we need is for him to make some big money signings (lol), get the axe, only for the new coach to walk in and wonder what the hell are these guys doing on the books. Sound familiar?

It’s a problem. I’ve said it before Madge is our Dean Pay. He had no chance here no one did. Scapegoat he will become and unfortunately that won’t bode well for recruitment and signing a new coach. We are actually a more attractive proposition for a 4 year deal scenario. We have cap space, COE and some very good younger players. Not as strong as the Sharks but the situation is not much different.

Sheens coming on board may enable them to go young. What will be found out if they sign another coach and no one is recruited is where the real problem lies. It has never been the coach albeit he hasn’t set the world on fire either.

If this is a pre meditated hatchet job via review I hope they are smart enough to have already lined up the coach.

I think it’s Flanagan, people may not like him but he really is a league thinker, and is capable of building a winning club that plays tough, no nonsense attacking football… that Cronulla side he Moulded were outstanding to watch and never, ever went away!

 

[batboy]

Probably not the worst of our wide array of issues but Maguire mentioned "We had Daine Laurie, Adam Doueihi, Jimmy Tamou, Luke Garner, James Roberts, there's a number of senior players that add to what we need to do. We've got a number of players that with those names can steer a strong team around”.

Correct me if I’m wrong but James Roberts has been 18th man for at least 2 or 3 of the last 4 weeks and our coach is saying his absence is part of what cost us the match??? Who selects the team?

More early mad Monday madness

And picking Cini - Who's Been mostly Rubbish
Over a former Origin Player....

Mate, that was one of his better moves, and it was forced on him, Mbye was injured (driving to kogarah for a preview )

I was talking about Roberts....

 

[Guest]

If he’s gone, it won’t be official till the BS review, which surely wouldn’t end till after the grand final at the earliest. If they pull the trigger, pull it now. Don’t do what they did with JT and back him, only to sack him 3 weeks into the season. Last thing we need is for him to make some big money signings (lol), get the axe, only for the new coach to walk in and wonder what the hell are these guys doing on the books. Sound familiar?

It’s a problem. I’ve said it before Madge is our Dean Pay. He had no chance here no one did. Scapegoat he will become and unfortunately that won’t bode well for recruitment and signing a new coach. We are actually a more attractive proposition for a 4 year deal scenario. We have cap space, COE and some very good younger players. Not as strong as the Sharks but the situation is not much different.

Sheens coming on board may enable them to go young. What will be found out if they sign another coach and no one is recruited is where the real problem lies. It has never been the coach albeit he hasn’t set the world on fire either.

If this is a pre meditated hatchet job via review I hope they are smart enough to have already lined up the coach.

I think it’s Flanagan, people may not like him but he really is a league thinker, and is capable of building a winning club that plays tough, no nonsense attacking football… that Cronulla side he Moulded were outstanding to watch and never, ever went away!

Originality of thought is what makes a good coach.
It's what makes Bellamy. He leads he doesn't copy.
Flannagan can do that. Rbinson can do that. Hasler can do that. Sheens did that
Coaches like Madge just try to copy changes that real thinkers have made. He doesn't even have the communication skills to pull that off successfully.

You can choose to be the guy on the train travelling to the job you hate working for an a'hole, living an awful, soul sapping life because that's what the majority of other drones say you should do or you can think out of the box and live a fulfilling satisfying happy existence.

Having Madge as coach we are catching that train every day.

 

[Swordy]

I wonder who Madge, or any other coach replaces the underperformers with? They aren't exactly growing on trees in reserve grade.

So 0 cue the 'well its all Madge and Hartigans fault because they haven't built depth'. Well, you can build depth with money, which we havent had until now, and it is just starting to dribble through. Mbye, Reynolds, Packer and Mataulino were our depth money.

I'd love to see a Trent Robinson, Craig Bellamy or Shane Flanagan (ha ha ha) or Wayne Bennett work miracles when your fullback replacement is Cini, or you have no wing replacements or a first grade standard halfback spare in the cupboard. These are things these coaches have built over a lot of years.

Sure, there is a problem but was it caused by Madge?

If all you have is a worn out 10mm socket in your tool box, and youre trying to undo a 10mm bolt, you can't use an 8mm socket - It doesnt work. You have to persist with the 10mm socket until you get the cash to get another.

(I used 10mm socket as the example because I know nobody has one, they always get lost first ha ha ha aha ha h)

 

[Ultimate Warrior]

Just saw an article mentioning Tooves isn’t doing much. Can him in son!

 

[Newtown]

We have no leaders other than Doueihi . Sadly Brooks never steps up when his team needs him. The problems are obviously deeper than the coach & players & the review MUST be independent & not by the two who must also come under intense scrutiny. If not, nothing will change .

Agree. Doueihi also is very hot and cold as well. I am glad it is not my job to unravel this mob. However ,I dont think the players are responding to Madge but maybe that could be rectified with a couple of decent assistants.

No matter who the 2022 coach may be first Priority for the Club must be to employ two experienced assistant coaches. Ciraldo and Steve McNamara would be perfect for the roles. See Item below;

"The Tigers review has cited defence and recruitment as key areas they need to improve, which has put current coach Michael Maguire’s tenure in doubt beyond 2021.

"CAMERON CIRALDO

The current Panthers assistant and defence coach is arguably the most highly rated up and coming coach in the business and is considered the next cab off the rank for inexperienced coaches looking for an opportunity.

The 36-year-old coached Penrith to three wins and three losses as interim coach the season Anthony Griffin was sacked in 2018, while he has also coached Italy to three wins and three losses.

The Tigers desperately need to fix their defence and judging by Ciraldo’s record at the Panthers over the last two seasons he would be a sound investment. The Panthers have conceded 524 points in the past two seasons, averaging less than 12 points against per game for the best record in the NRL and while they have a better roster, clearly Ciraldo’s defensive strategy works.

STEVE MCNAMARA

The current Catalans coach has taken his side eight points clear at the top of the Super League ladder this season.

The 49-year-old has coaches 98 wins from 189 games for Bradford and Catalans in the Super League and has also coached England to 15 wins from 24 matches from 2010 to 2015.

McNamara has worked under Trent Robinson at the Roosters so he knows what it takes to build a strong defensive unit.

McNamara would also give the Tigers access to his international connections which could be a huge asset in their recruitment of overseas talent."

 

[GNR4LIFE]

We have no leaders other than Doueihi . Sadly Brooks never steps up when his team needs him. The problems are obviously deeper than the coach & players & the review MUST be independent & not by the two who must also come under intense scrutiny. If not, nothing will change .

Agree. Doueihi also is very hot and cold as well. I am glad it is not my job to unravel this mob. However ,I dont think the players are responding to Madge but maybe that could be rectified with a couple of decent assistants.

No matter who the 2022 coach may be first Priority for the Club must be to employ two experienced assistant coaches. Ciraldo and Steve McNamara would be perfect for the roles. See Item below;

"The Tigers review has cited defence and recruitment as key areas they need to improve, which has put current coach Michael Maguire’s tenure in doubt beyond 2021.

"CAMERON CIRALDO

The current Panthers assistant and defence coach is arguably the most highly rated up and coming coach in the business and is considered the next cab off the rank for inexperienced coaches looking for an opportunity.

The 36-year-old coached Penrith to three wins and three losses as interim coach the season Anthony Griffin was sacked in 2018, while he has also coached Italy to three wins and three losses.

The Tigers desperately need to fix their defence and judging by Ciraldo’s record at the Panthers over the last two seasons he would be a sound investment. The Panthers have conceded 524 points in the past two seasons, averaging less than 12 points against per game for the best record in the NRL and while they have a better roster, clearly Ciraldo’s defensive strategy works.

STEVE MCNAMARA

The current Catalans coach has taken his side eight points clear at the top of the Super League ladder this season.

The 49-year-old has coaches 98 wins from 189 games for Bradford and Catalans in the Super League and has also coached England to 15 wins from 24 matches from 2010 to 2015.

McNamara has worked under Trent Robinson at the Roosters so he knows what it takes to build a strong defensive unit.

McNamara would also give the Tigers access to his international connections which could be a huge asset in their recruitment of overseas talent."

Why would Ciraldo quit the Panthers as an assistant, to come here as an assistant?

 

[Newtown]

We have no leaders other than Doueihi . Sadly Brooks never steps up when his team needs him. The problems are obviously deeper than the coach & players & the review MUST be independent & not by the two who must also come under intense scrutiny. If not, nothing will change .

Agree. Doueihi also is very hot and cold as well. I am glad it is not my job to unravel this mob. However ,I dont think the players are responding to Madge but maybe that could be rectified with a couple of decent assistants.

No matter who the 2022 coach may be first Priority for the Club must be to employ two experienced assistant coaches. Ciraldo and Steve McNamara would be perfect for the roles. See Item below;

"The Tigers review has cited defence and recruitment as key areas they need to improve, which has put current coach Michael Maguire’s tenure in doubt beyond 2021.

"CAMERON CIRALDO

The current Panthers assistant and defence coach is arguably the most highly rated up and coming coach in the business and is considered the next cab off the rank for inexperienced coaches looking for an opportunity.

The 36-year-old coached Penrith to three wins and three losses as interim coach the season Anthony Griffin was sacked in 2018, while he has also coached Italy to three wins and three losses.

The Tigers desperately need to fix their defence and judging by Ciraldo’s record at the Panthers over the last two seasons he would be a sound investment. The Panthers have conceded 524 points in the past two seasons, averaging less than 12 points against per game for the best record in the NRL and while they have a better roster, clearly Ciraldo’s defensive strategy works.

STEVE MCNAMARA

The current Catalans coach has taken his side eight points clear at the top of the Super League ladder this season.

The 49-year-old has coaches 98 wins from 189 games for Bradford and Catalans in the Super League and has also coached England to 15 wins from 24 matches from 2010 to 2015.

McNamara has worked under Trent Robinson at the Roosters so he knows what it takes to build a strong defensive unit.

McNamara would also give the Tigers access to his international connections which could be a huge asset in their recruitment of overseas talent."

Why would Ciraldo quit the Panthers as an assistant, to come here as an assistant?

if not assistant then maybe Head Coach.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

We have no leaders other than Doueihi . Sadly Brooks never steps up when his team needs him. The problems are obviously deeper than the coach & players & the review MUST be independent & not by the two who must also come under intense scrutiny. If not, nothing will change .

Agree. Doueihi also is very hot and cold as well. I am glad it is not my job to unravel this mob. However ,I dont think the players are responding to Madge but maybe that could be rectified with a couple of decent assistants.

No matter who the 2022 coach may be first Priority for the Club must be to employ two experienced assistant coaches. Ciraldo and Steve McNamara would be perfect for the roles. See Item below;

"The Tigers review has cited defence and recruitment as key areas they need to improve, which has put current coach Michael Maguire’s tenure in doubt beyond 2021.

"CAMERON CIRALDO

The current Panthers assistant and defence coach is arguably the most highly rated up and coming coach in the business and is considered the next cab off the rank for inexperienced coaches looking for an opportunity.

The 36-year-old coached Penrith to three wins and three losses as interim coach the season Anthony Griffin was sacked in 2018, while he has also coached Italy to three wins and three losses.

The Tigers desperately need to fix their defence and judging by Ciraldo’s record at the Panthers over the last two seasons he would be a sound investment. The Panthers have conceded 524 points in the past two seasons, averaging less than 12 points against per game for the best record in the NRL and while they have a better roster, clearly Ciraldo’s defensive strategy works.

STEVE MCNAMARA

The current Catalans coach has taken his side eight points clear at the top of the Super League ladder this season.

The 49-year-old has coaches 98 wins from 189 games for Bradford and Catalans in the Super League and has also coached England to 15 wins from 24 matches from 2010 to 2015.

McNamara has worked under Trent Robinson at the Roosters so he knows what it takes to build a strong defensive unit.

McNamara would also give the Tigers access to his international connections which could be a huge asset in their recruitment of overseas talent."

Why would Ciraldo quit the Panthers as an assistant, to come here as an assistant?

if not assistant then maybe Head Coach.

That’s a different story if it’s a head coaches role. To come here as an assistant he’d be going sideways. Some would say it’s backwards.

 

[crazycat]

We have no leaders other than Doueihi . Sadly Brooks never steps up when his team needs him. The problems are obviously deeper than the coach & players & the review MUST be independent & not by the two who must also come under intense scrutiny. If not, nothing will change .

Agree. Doueihi also is very hot and cold as well. I am glad it is not my job to unravel this mob. However ,I dont think the players are responding to Madge but maybe that could be rectified with a couple of decent assistants.

No matter who the 2022 coach may be first Priority for the Club must be to employ two experienced assistant coaches. Ciraldo and Steve McNamara would be perfect for the roles. See Item below;

"The Tigers review has cited defence and recruitment as key areas they need to improve, which has put current coach Michael Maguire’s tenure in doubt beyond 2021.

"CAMERON CIRALDO

The current Panthers assistant and defence coach is arguably the most highly rated up and coming coach in the business and is considered the next cab off the rank for inexperienced coaches looking for an opportunity.

The 36-year-old coached Penrith to three wins and three losses as interim coach the season Anthony Griffin was sacked in 2018, while he has also coached Italy to three wins and three losses.

The Tigers desperately need to fix their defence and judging by Ciraldo’s record at the Panthers over the last two seasons he would be a sound investment. The Panthers have conceded 524 points in the past two seasons, averaging less than 12 points against per game for the best record in the NRL and while they have a better roster, clearly Ciraldo’s defensive strategy works.

STEVE MCNAMARA

The current Catalans coach has taken his side eight points clear at the top of the Super League ladder this season.

The 49-year-old has coaches 98 wins from 189 games for Bradford and Catalans in the Super League and has also coached England to 15 wins from 24 matches from 2010 to 2015.

McNamara has worked under Trent Robinson at the Roosters so he knows what it takes to build a strong defensive unit.

McNamara would also give the Tigers access to his international connections which could be a huge asset in their recruitment of overseas talent."

Why would Ciraldo quit the Panthers as an assistant, to come here as an assistant?

if not assistant then maybe Head Coach.

That’s a different story if it’s a head coaches role. To come here as an assistant he’d be going sideways. Some would say it’s backwards.

Yes/no.
Cameron Ciraldo would come as an assistant with Michael Mc's position on the chopping board.
If Ivan Cleary wins a premiership, no way are Penrith getting rid of him.

Panthers have plenty of people waiting in the wings to be assistants up there. They will fight to keep one of their own but they will also have people applying fairly regularly.

and yea... that's about it. Cameron has a half open door here and a closed one at Penrith. He can't lead a player rebellion like the rebellion against Hook, Cleary is not going to knife his father.

Personally my choices are:
<Wayne Bennett/Craig B/Des and none of those guys are coming>
Shane Flanagan
Michael McGuire continuing.
Then taking a punt on Ciraldo or others coming up. The Sharks head coach Josh Hannay has done alright this year and I would be open to offering him an interview as well. Unsure what people think about John Morris, I don't think he is up to it and would rather stick with Madge, but madge you have done yourself no favours.

 

[Aceshigh]

Ciraldo is not coming to the Tigers , it’s pointless believing he could be here , Madge will be here next year , we gotta get that thru our heads

 

[avocadoontoast]

Ciraldo is not coming to the Tigers , it’s pointless believing he could be here , Madge will be here next year , we gotta get that thru our heads

How do you know?