Michael jackson

I dont understand why this is a surprise.

There was always something we all.knew was wromg with this guy.

He was was repulsive to.me always regardless of his music.
 
Jacko is guilty.

"oh but dinnit the parents, kids, child protection authorities realise…."
It was the 1980 and 1990's. Jacko was a superstar.

The invitation was "come stay at my mansion with butlers and lots of friends.
People were far more naive. Hey I stayed at a friends place without my folks often.

Jacko was warped, from young fame. No childhood and no boundaries. He was a warped person and a Musical genius.
 
Jaxxxon fans are almost worse than he was, because somehow in their minds they think that 30 year old men sleeping in the same bed as young kids is normal behaviour.
 
Wasn't remotely interested in watching the Leaving Neverland documentary until I read a bit of this thread earlier on. Watching it honestly only made me think of the paedophilia in Hollywood.

The moments Lucas & Spielberg and then Reagan came up on the screen in Part 1, immediately made me think of Corey Haim and Corey Feldman. Or people like Brad Renfro and River Phoenix, who were also allegedly abused as kids….And the many Hollywood moguls who have been linked to the sordid whispers of a child pornography ring.

My opinion of MJ was he was an asexual type being. That his exploitative upbringing, unhealthy emotional & psychological development left him too damaged to be capable of that. Now I only see how he had the **perfect** platform to get to kids. Truly harrowing and gut wrenching.
 
lol… Wade Robson dated Brandi Jackson for 7 years !?
He's so traumatised that he dated his alleged rapist's niece?

Man... Wade Robson is as fake as it gets.
He's a clown and I can't believe a word out of his mouth.

Deadset MJ's #1 fan IMO.
 
I've only seen Part One of the doco and found it very interesting.
Both Robson and Safechuck spoke quite similarly of the whole thing. Neither really crucified him or threw him under the bus and for the most part spoke rather fondly of the time they had with MJ when they were younger, before the abuse started. I don't know if I expected them to be angrier or more emotional but their body language and ways of talking about the event stood out to me. Almost like Stockholm Syndrome.

He's also painted in a rather sympathetic light. At the beginning of the doco you can't help but feel sorry for the childhood he had. And everything that transpired later was obviously a result of him trying to have his childhood while being an adult. I'm not excusing him for sleeping with children, that's obviously inappropriate, but I'm not 100% convinced he knew he was being inappropriate at that point.

As far as molestation goes I find it hard to accuse someone of that when we have no way of knowing for absolute certain that he did it. Only one thing is for certain, he led a sad and lonely life for most of his existence and others have said - he really did never grow up.
 
@Sabre said:
Safechuck spoke quite similarly of the whole thing. Neither really crucified him or threw him under the bus and for the most part spoke rather fondly of the time they had with MJ when they were younger, before the abuse started. I don’t know if I expected them to be angrier or more emotional but their body language and ways
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Looking into it further - it was claimed they slept in his room - the size of a duplex.
Entire family's slept in the room at any given time.

It was two storey and his bed was a bunk bed which was reportedly HUGE.
You needed a ladder to get to the top bunk.

Media likes to spin things a certain way.
 
I believe and have always believed he's a filthy fiddler. A disgusting human that gets no sympathy at all from me. I totally believe his accusers and easily dismiss his ridiculous claims of it being ok to share ones bed with a child. I cant believe the amount of support he still carries. I find it truly bizarre
 

Its a bit boring now without you and I squaring off though!
 
A bit of a read but adds some balance to the discussion - from Charlie Thomson investigative journalist.

**FACT-BOMB: The evidence the media refuses to show you about Michael Jackson’s accusers**

I’ve felt total and utter shame at my industry as the coverage of tonight’s Michael Jackson TV show has grown increasingly dishonest and dangerous. I’ve worked in the media since I was a teenager. The whole media knows these two men are liars. But that’s not good for clicks or ratings.

For five years, these men – both professional actors – have been suing Michael Jackson’s estate for hundreds of millions of dollars. This lawsuit has generated thousands of pages of court records: witness statements, motions, depositions and disclosure. These public documents PROVE beyond any reasonable doubt that the men are lying. The whole media knows about these documents, but is refusing to report on their contents.

I’ve tried not to fill my Facebook feed with posts about this, but you are all being lied to from every direction. So this is my contribution to the debate on Facebook – a list of just some of the public record information the media is refusing to tell you.

*Both men strenuously defended Jackson, including under oath, for decades, and only decided they’d been molested years after his death, when they were both in financial trouble and filed a lawsuit seeking hundreds of millions of dollars. That lawsuit was thrown out of court – twice – but the men are in the middle of an appeal, giving them a gigantic financial motive to lie.

*Since filing their lawsuit, both men have repeatedly changed their stories, frequently telling directly contradictory versions of the same supposed events. For example, Wade Robson has told at least four directly contradictory stories about the first time Jackson supposedly abused him.

*In the lawsuit, Robson was caught lying under oath so brazenly that the judge threw out his entire witness statement and said no rational juror could ever believe his account.

*Between 2012 and 2014, Robson wrote two drafts of an abuse memoir and tried unsuccessfully to sell them to publishers. Meanwhile, he lied under oath and said he’d never discussed his allegations with anyone except his lawyers. When the Jackson estate discovered he’d actually been shopping books, the court ordered him to produce the drafts as evidence. They revealed the story of his abuse had changed significantly from one draft to the next.

*Robson was also ordered to release his emails as evidence. He breached the order repeatedly, first by claiming they didn’t exist, then by simply refusing to hand them over. Then he redacted all the emails between himself and his family members and cited ‘attorney-client’ privilege, even though none of his family are attorneys.

*When he eventually complied with the court order and released the emails, they revealed that at the time he was constructing his lawsuit and abuse memoir, he was researching and emailing himself links to old tabloid newspaper stories about abuse allegations against Michael Jackson.

*The emails showed Robson found one particular story from the early 1990s which specifically named he and his mother. He emailed it to his mother and asked whether it was true. She replied, ‘Wow, none of that is true’. He then included it in his story anyway.

*Emails also revealed that throughout 2011/12, Robson was lobbying Jackson’s estate for a job directing and choreographing an official Michael Jackson tribute show in Las Vegas. His campaign to secure this role had included sending emails explaining that his amazing friendship with Jackson meant nobody was better qualified for the role than he was, and he was devoted to doing the best job he possibly could ‘for Michael’. After being told someone else had got the job, he suddenly claimed he’d been abused and filed a creditor’s claim against the estate for millions of dollars.

*Months later, according to Jimmy Safechuck, he flipped on the TV and saw Wade Robson being interviewed about his lawsuit. In that moment, Safechuck suddenly remembered that he had been abused by Jackson as well, so decided to join the lawsuit. He didn’t mention that this epiphany coincided exactly with his inheritance circling the drain after a relative died and the surviving siblings started suing each other – including him – for control of the family business.

*Robson was also ordered to produce his diaries as evidence. In them, he’d written about how these allegations might rescue his failing career by making him ‘relatable and relevant’. He also wrote, ‘It’s time for me to get mine.’ When questioned under oath about what he’d meant when he wrote that, he refused to answer.

*Both men tell stories in the TV show which directly contradict stories told under oath in their lawsuit. In fact, they have continued to change their stories as recently as within the last week.

*For example, Jimmy Safechuck claims under oath in the lawsuit that he only remembered Jackson had abused him in 2013 when he turned on the TV and saw Robson. Yet in tonight’s TV show and interviews promoting it, he claims he knew he’d been abused in 2005 and thus, when asked to testify for Jackson’s defence ‘towards the end of the trial’, he refused to do so.

*But that’s a provable lie. Safechuck was never asked to testify for Jackson’s defence. The judge ruled long before the trial began that testimony could only be heard about certain children, and Safechuck was not one of them. All testimony about Safechuck was literally banned from the courtroom. So Jackson’s defence cannot have asked him to testify – and certainly not after the trial was already underway.

*Robson claimed in a BBC interview last week that Jackson had abused him ‘hundreds of times’. Yet his mother’s sworn testimony is that they went to Neverland roughly 14 times but Jackson was almost never there. She estimates the number of times they visited the ranch and he was actually there was four.

*Questioned about their financial motive, the men now say they don’t care about money and are only suing to embolden other abuse victims by holding the Jackson estate accountable. This is a provable lie. The lawsuit was originally filed under seal and Robson tried to extract a settlement from the estate with zero publicity. Only when the estate refused to pay a bean did he go public.

I could continue, but if you’re still on board with the TV show and its accusers at this point, you are irrational to the point of mania.

Tonight’s TV show covers up all of this information, instead presenting two professional actors’ heavily edited and completely unchallenged testimony without ever examining their credibility, their proven lies and perjury, their constantly changing stories or their financial motives.

It is a stain on the journalistic profession, as has been the rest of the media’s coverage.
 
@Telltails said:
accountable. This is a provable lie. The lawsuit was originally filed under seal and Robson tried to extract a settlement from the estate with zero publicity. Only when the estate refused to pay a bean did he go public.
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These jokers; Safechuck & Robson made civil court complaints that were laughed out of the court in 2012 or thereabouts.

Now that the law failed them on their big quest for money they've gone public to try and get their financial W.
 
Im on the fence a bit over this.
Ive always thought MJ was a crazy cat and was sure hed be convicted back in the day as evidence seemed to be present. That said, these guys appearing years after his death seem far too opportunistic.
On top of that, journalism as a profession has taken such a massive hit recently that you simply cannot believe anything your told without proof anymore. We almost have to see a video of it to believe it happened such is the distrust of biased news organisations.
Its a poor situation.
 
What does my head in about this is everyone seems to be pretending like these allegations are the first of their kind involving MJ. The Simpsons pulling the MJ episode for example. Why now, and not when he was accused 15 years ago, and when he was here to defend himself. Is it because society today has the attention span of goldfish, they don’t remember that these accusations have been made towards MJ before?@Cultured_Bogan, I think I might look into being an outlier. Sounds pretty appealing.
 
@GNR4LIFE said:
about this is everyone seems to be pretending like these allegations are the
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It's the hype thing at the moment.
Weinstein / #MeToo movement.

Type of stuff that sells or gets the clicks.
 
People like bandwagons that could mean money or fame

Look at the situation with Tiger Woods …how many of these women were actually involved with him or just really after their 15 minutes of fame
 
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