Moltzen-Half Back or Fullback implications for others

[barra]

Ok, since euphemisms are being thrown around willy-nilly… Let's not forget he was told to walk the plank, another passing pirate ship was courteous enough to offer him a ride, with an offer of more treasure than he was currently in line for.. then the captain/s of the ship (whomever that may be:-Sheens,Humphreys,Benji,Robbie rah rah rah) had a change of heart and invited him back onboard with the promise of exciting adventures on the wild seas and regular meals(picked in the 13). He must of thought to himself, well i know the Captains of this ship pretty well. They are stand-up men who I have fought many battles with (good mates) and they do have a secret treasure map (a real chance at glory), not to mention one of the most infamous pirates ever to sail the seven seas (Benji)..but those other pirates...Well i'm not so sure about them, they might be altogether nasty and throw me out in the longboat and feed me scraps (play him irregularly).
Aye Aye Cap'n??

AAhhhrrrr! To be sure me hearty!!

 

[magpiecol]

'loyalty'??? Are you sure this was the reason he wanted to 'get out of his contract with the dragons'?

No cant say that I am. What other motive would he have?

He took a pay cut, lost the certainty of 2 further seasons of very good wages. Because he wanted to stay where he is, I would say that is clear loyalty. There is no other explanation.

It could be more a case of comfort zone rather than loyalty…

As for him just putting his hand on Inu, easy in hindsight when during the mayhem of the final minutes of a semi final everything happens in a split second.

Agree with rexx....but if you wanna individual to blame look at our last set of 6 and last tackle then

Hindsight has nothing to do with it. The game goes for 80 minutes not 79.

Any fullback worth his salt would know the rules and would have acted accordingly.

He was kneeling in front of him for God's sake and could not think to put a hand on him?

Give me a break.

 

[innsaneink]

Yeh righto col.
Everyone agrees with me
No one agrees with you.
You dont 'think' in those situations, its called instinct.

 

[Yossarian]

Hindsight has nothing to do with it. The game goes for 80 minutes not 79.

Any fullback worth his salt would know the rules and would have acted accordingly.

He was kneeling in front of him for God's sake and could not think to put a hand on him?

Give me a break.

Gee it's a bit rich blaming Tim Moltzen. Give you a break? How about cutting Moltzen some slack! I'm sure he knows the rules on when a player is held but with the ball magically landing in Inu's arms like it did, he didn't really have a lot of time to assess what was going on. His instinct (as with most fullbacks) was to stop the ball being grounded.

As Ink and others suggest, others were more culpable for the ball ending up in Inu's arms. As I recall Lote Tuqiri had a pretty good play on the ball…

 

[underdog]

I reckon Inu still knocked on in the initial contest with Lawrence and Tuqiri.

 

[tiger_rat]

moltz is not a fullbacks backside..

 

[happy_tiger]

Hindsight has nothing to do with it. The game goes for 80 minutes not 79.

Any fullback worth his salt would know the rules and would have acted accordingly.

He was kneeling in front of him for God's sake and could not think to put a hand on him?

Give me a break.

Gee it's a bit rich blaming Tim Moltzen. Give you a break? How about cutting Moltzen some slack! I'm sure he knows the rules on when a player is held but with the ball magically landing in Inu's arms like it did, he didn't really have a lot of time to assess what was going on. His instinct (as with most fullbacks) was to stop the ball being grounded.

As Ink and others suggest, others were more culpable for the ball ending up in Inu's arms. As I recall Lote Tuqiri had a pretty good play on the ball…

Still think Inu grounded the ball when Moltzen pushes him back in the initial movement before he dives back over Do we keep having to relive that moment and those few minutes

Just thinking about feels like you are getting kicked in the guts over and over again

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Hindsight has nothing to do with it. The game goes for 80 minutes not 79.

Any fullback worth his salt would know the rules and would have acted accordingly.

He was kneeling in front of him for God's sake and could not think to put a hand on him?

Give me a break.

Gee it's a bit rich blaming Tim Moltzen. Give you a break? How about cutting Moltzen some slack! I'm sure he knows the rules on when a player is held but with the ball magically landing in Inu's arms like it did, he didn't really have a lot of time to assess what was going on. His instinct (as with most fullbacks) was to stop the ball being grounded.

As Ink and others suggest, others were more culpable for the ball ending up in Inu's arms. As I recall Lote Tuqiri had a pretty good play on the ball…

Still think Inu grounded the ball when Moltzen pushes him back in the initial movement before he dives back over Do we keep having to relive that moment and those few minutes

Just thinking about feels like you are getting kicked in the guts over and over again

I'm with you there Happy. Our last set of six and the ensuing Warriors set was an out-and-out comedy of errors. There's alot of "shoulda, coulda, woulda" surrounding a number of players. Moltzen is an unfair target.

 

[Fraze23]

Hindsight has nothing to do with it. The game goes for 80 minutes not 79.

Any fullback worth his salt would know the rules and would have acted accordingly.

He was kneeling in front of him for God's sake and could not think to put a hand on him?

Give me a break.

Gee it's a bit rich blaming Tim Moltzen. Give you a break? How about cutting Moltzen some slack! I'm sure he knows the rules on when a player is held but with the ball magically landing in Inu's arms like it did, he didn't really have a lot of time to assess what was going on. His instinct (as with most fullbacks) was to stop the ball being grounded.

As Ink and others suggest, others were more culpable for the ball ending up in Inu's arms. As I recall Lote Tuqiri had a pretty good play on the ball…

Still think Inu grounded the ball when Moltzen pushes him back in the initial movement before he dives back over Do we keep having to relive that moment and those few minutes

Just thinking about feels like you are getting kicked in the guts over and over again

I'm with you there Happy. Our last set of six and the ensuing Warriors set was an out-and-out comedy of errors. There's alot of "shoulda, coulda, woulda" surrounding a number of players. Moltzen is an unfair target.

Moltzen didn't blow the lead we had.
Moltzen didn't run on the last.
Moltzen didn't drop the bomb.
17 players run out, its unfair to squarly land the blame at one players feet. We could dwell on this forever and figure out whos fault it was or we could accept the loss and look to how we could improve on it next year.

 

[tigersrule4life]

Why are we still talking about this game lets bring on 2012 and show what were made of go u tigers.

 

[tiger_pom]

i think tim played well at fullback and was more confident with each game particularly under the high balls.i would like to see him start in this position with mitch brown as cover.tiger pom.:

 

[tigeress]

Why are we still talking about this game lets bring on 2012 and show what were made of go u tigers.

Yep I think it's time to move on too. That game is best forgotten now, we have a great new season to look forward to. Lets get excited about that. :rant

 

[Frank_the_tank]

i think tim played well at fullback and was more confident with each game particularly under the high balls.i would like to see him start in this position with mitch brown as cover.tiger pom.:

Yep i agree…...Start him at fullback.......who is halfback though?? Anyone putting their hand up in the off season??

 

[Guest]

i think tim played well at fullback and was more confident with each game particularly under the high balls.i would like to see him start in this position with mitch brown as cover.tiger pom.:

Yep i agree…...Start him at fullback.......who is halfback though?? Anyone putting their hand up in the off season??

Jacob Miller or Dane Chisholm. Both are training strongly.

 

[king_sirro]

i think tim played well at fullback and was more confident with each game particularly under the high balls.i would like to see him start in this position with mitch brown as cover.tiger pom.:

Yep i agree…...Start him at fullback.......who is halfback though?? Anyone putting their hand up in the off season??

Jacob Miller or Dane Chisholm. Both are training strongly.

In Benji's book it pretty much implies that both Sheens and Benji think that Marshall is our halfback with Farah helping. But Benji doesnt want to wear number 7 because he doesnt like how he looks in it. So with that in mind, it wouldnt surprise me if Sheens goes with someone like Chisolm who is more of a 5/8 and a very good defender. My concern with this is when that crunch play comes to shut down a game…we have Farah and Marshall to rely on rather than a true halfback with a cool head.

 

[happy_tiger]

i think tim played well at fullback and was more confident with each game particularly under the high balls.i would like to see him start in this position with mitch brown as cover.tiger pom.:

Yep i agree…...Start him at fullback.......who is halfback though?? Anyone putting their hand up in the off season??

Jacob Miller or Dane Chisholm. Both are training strongly.

In Benji's book it pretty much implies that both Sheens and Benji think that Marshall is our halfback with Farah helping. But Benji doesnt want to wear number 7 because he doesnt like how he looks in it. So with that in mind, it wouldnt surprise me if Sheens goes with someone like Chisolm who is more of a 5/8 and a very good defender. My concern with this is when that crunch play comes to shut down a game…we have Farah and Marshall to rely on rather than a true halfback with a cool head.
Just wondering what you or Benji mean by "doesn't like how he looks in it " KS Slighly confused

 

[king_sirro]

Happy, he said he watches footage of himself wearing 7 and he doesnt look right, looks better in 6.

 

[happy_tiger]

Happy, he said he watches footage of himself wearing 7 and he doesnt look right, looks better in 6.

What I am about to say might be unpopular but if Bennett asked Lockyer to put on the 7 jersey for the sake of the team and better performances he would do it without question . He might not like it but he would do it

If we have an option at 6 (say Moltzen or Chisholm for example) Benji should move to 7 no questions asked Obviously only if it is for the betterment of the side

In saying that I still think come Round 1 we will see Miller at 7 ,Benji at 6

 

[Spartan117]

Wearing a number is for us fans etc…

As long as Benji plays like he does I don't care if he wears #40

Ps - Youtube Benji Marshall

PSS - I will be very happy if Miller is our #7 in round 1, from the little I have seen, this guy is a Gun.

 

[one-eyed-tiger]

Agree Spartan. Halfback and five-eighth regularly swap positions or line-up on either side of the ruck. It's academic. The key to any successful team is having blokes know AND play their role for the benefit of the team. Our number 7 won't do the same job as say a Thurston or Cronk. He needs a clean passing game, take a run to the line every now and then, provide another kicking option and be a solid defender. Let Benji and Farah focus on creating the plays. I think Miller or Chisholm will fit the bill perfectly to let Moltz continue his development in the number 1.
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