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Moltzen hooked?
- Thread starter GNR4LIFE
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@happy tiger said:@dermo said:Apart from the kick off, I thought he was good under the high ball they tested him early and went well IMO
Yeah you are probably right , but thats the issue "Apart from the kick off'
How often do you see other good fullbacks making mistakes like that when the game is on the line
He does these sort of things or semi regular basis
Error wise he has to be the worse fullback in the NRL on a per touch basis
I can remember Sirro dropping a kick off and Koro has dropped the ball on our line before aswell but neither were ever crucified for those errors like Moltzen is on here, there worth to the team justifies the errors (as it should). But many like you ignore Moltzens worth to the team and simply go on and on about the mistakes he make which are no more than other players
Well according to Nrl stats on an error per game basis hes one of the best actually, I cant find the amount of touches per game so this is all we have to go on:
Moltzen: 17 errors
18 games
Mini: 24 errors
22 games
Inglis: 16 errors
17 games
Coote: 26 errors
22 games
hayne; 13 errors
12 games
locke: 14 errors
14 games
bowen: 33 errors
21 games
Boyd: 15 errors
20 games
Slater: 30 errors
16 games
Stewart: 20 errors
16 games
Zillman: 25 errors
19 games
Wright: 14 errors
19 games
Dugan 23 errors
14 games
Barba 26 errors
22 games
Hoffman 12 errors
20 games
@cktiger said:@happy tiger said:@dermo said:Apart from the kick off, I thought he was good under the high ball they tested him early and went well IMO
Yeah you are probably right , but thats the issue "Apart from the kick off'
**How often do you see other good fullbacks making mistakes like that when the game is on the line**
He does these sort of things or semi regular basis
Error wise he has to be the worse fullback in the NRL on a per touch basis
Hmmm , one comes immediately to mind… Billy Slater losing the World Cup for Australia.
Exactly, and pre origin most were calling him the best fullback ever
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Great worth as a playmaker
Can make a good try saving tackle.
At all other aspects of fullback play, including defensive line organisation…..pretty disgraceful.
I want him to achieve everything he can and it is as plain as the nose on my face that this will not be done at fullback.
It is not "hating on" Tim Moltzen it is about recognising his strengths and weaknesses as a fullback and wondering why on earth he is being played there at all, especially considering he trained all off season in the halves
Can make a good try saving tackle.
At all other aspects of fullback play, including defensive line organisation…..pretty disgraceful.
I want him to achieve everything he can and it is as plain as the nose on my face that this will not be done at fullback.
It is not "hating on" Tim Moltzen it is about recognising his strengths and weaknesses as a fullback and wondering why on earth he is being played there at all, especially considering he trained all off season in the halves
@smeghead said:Great worth as a playmaker
Can make a good try saving tackle.
At all other aspects of fullback play, including defensive line organisation…..pretty disgraceful.
I want him to achieve everything he can and it is as plain as the nose on my face that this will not be done at fullback.
It is not "hating on" Tim Moltzen it is about recognising his strengths and weaknesses as a fullback and wondering why on earth he is being played there at all, especially considering he trained all off season in the halves
Smeg , I stick up for him as much as anybody (maybe more) - especially in regards the unwarranted and personal criticism.
My opinion , and always has been , is that he plays infinitely better in the halves.
He has been forced into the fullback role this year , the same as he was last year.
The truth is , even though it's not his best position and he clearly prefers playing closer to the ball , Tim Sheens does not see a better option for fullback .
He makes mistakes sure , but if every player made 10 mistakes each and he only made one guess who would have a thread started about his lone mistake?
One thing is certain - until Sheens changes his mind he will , unfortunately , be stuck playing out of position at fullback.
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The last point is the sad truth of it.
The terrible start to our sets which can be traced many times to Tims unwillingness to run the ball back straight and/or hard hurts us every game and at the moment Tim does not even play fullback in attack which means we have nobody but occasionally a centre supporting the ruck.
It is a sad state of affairs
The terrible start to our sets which can be traced many times to Tims unwillingness to run the ball back straight and/or hard hurts us every game and at the moment Tim does not even play fullback in attack which means we have nobody but occasionally a centre supporting the ruck.
It is a sad state of affairs
@smeghead said:The last point is the sad truth of it.
The terrible start to our sets which can be traced many times to Tims unwillingness to run the ball back straight and/or hard hurts us every game and at the moment **Tim does not even play fullback in attack** which means we have nobody but occasionally a centre supporting the ruck.
It is a sad state of affairs
This is what I can't fathom.
If he has woken up to the fact he should be closer to the ball why not play him there the whole game and let somebody else sit at the back.
TBH if I was the coach and had Utai and Koro back there with him I 'd be instructing him to give the ball to them to hit it back anyway.
happy_tiger
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So stats don't include letting bombs bounce as an error Dermo (and thats not a joke ,thats for real )
Add all the bombs he has let bounce to those errors and then we can be serious
Also if you read what I said , I said errors per touch , not per game
Most fullbacks in the NRL have far more touches than Moltzen does
And most touches that fullbacks who are worth their salt are positive touches when the hit a ball on the full at speed and are solely concerned with field position not wondering where their wingers are so they can offload
Add all the bombs he has let bounce to those errors and then we can be serious
Also if you read what I said , I said errors per touch , not per game
Most fullbacks in the NRL have far more touches than Moltzen does
And most touches that fullbacks who are worth their salt are positive touches when the hit a ball on the full at speed and are solely concerned with field position not wondering where their wingers are so they can offload
@happy tiger said:So stats don't include letting bombs bounce as an error Dermo (and thats not a joke ,thats for real )
Add all the bombs he has let bounce to those errors and then we can be serious
Also if you read what I said , I said errors per touch , not per game
Most fullbacks in the NRL have far more touches than Moltzen does
And most touches that fullbacks who are worth their salt are positive touches when the hit a ball on the full at speed and are solely concerned with field position not wondering where their wingers are so they can offload
If we did count bombs let bounce I would say there would be an extra 1 or 2 errors this season, apart from the Broncos game where he let 1 bounce possibly 2? I cant remember another game where hes let one bounce. You do this every time someone produces a stat on Moltzen that goes against what you say, he plays 5/8 in attack for christ sake so hes bound to have an equal if not greater share of the ball than the other fullbacks.
And for the record if YOU had read what I said then would have noticed i acknowledged your request for errors per touch, but i couldnt find the stats on touches per game.
Saturnalia
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He's still pretty average.
happy_tiger
Well-known member
@dermo said:@happy tiger said:So stats don't include letting bombs bounce as an error Dermo (and thats not a joke ,thats for real )
Add all the bombs he has let bounce to those errors and then we can be serious
Also if you read what I said , I said errors per touch , not per game
Most fullbacks in the NRL have far more touches than Moltzen does
And most touches that fullbacks who are worth their salt are positive touches when the hit a ball on the full at speed and are solely concerned with field position not wondering where their wingers are so they can offload
If we did count bombs let bounce I would say there would be an extra 1 or 2 errors this season, apart from the Broncos game where he let 1 bounce possibly 2? I cant remember another game where hes let one bounce. You do this every time someone produces a stat on Moltzen that goes against what you say, he plays 5/8 in attack for christ sake so hes bound to have an equal if not greater share of the ball than the other fullbacks.
And for the record if YOU had read what I said then would have noticed i acknowledged your request for errors per touch, but i couldnt find the stats on touches per game.
What I meant was Most fullbacks have more touches than Moltzen does (and I should of added ) as a fullback My bad
So if you couldn't find at stat on what I said , how can I "do this every time someone produces a stat on Moltzen that goes against what i say "
Really over the love for Moltzen as a fullback Rewatched the replay today about the kick off he misses
It actually bounces virtually straight off his chest It barely touches his hands
Like many on here i agree he should probably playing 6 But when people feel sorry for him because he is playing out of position and he is not performing anywhere near what he can (the last 8 games of 2011 ) at fullback he should be copping some flack Same as Benji when he is not performing at 7
You have two choices ,get better or get out
@dermo said:@happy tiger said:@dermo said:Apart from the kick off, I thought he was good under the high ball they tested him early and went well IMO
Yeah you are probably right , but thats the issue "Apart from the kick off'
How often do you see other good fullbacks making mistakes like that when the game is on the line
He does these sort of things or semi regular basis
Error wise he has to be the worse fullback in the NRL on a per touch basis
I can remember Sirro dropping a kick off and Koro has dropped the ball on our line before aswell but neither were ever crucified for those errors like Moltzen is on here, there worth to the team justifies the errors (as it should). But many like you ignore Moltzens worth to the team and simply go on and on about the mistakes he make which are no more than other players
Well according to Nrl stats on an error per game basis hes one of the best actually, I cant find the amount of touches per game so this is all we have to go on:
Moltzen: 17 errors
18 games
Mini: 24 errors
22 games
Inglis: 16 errors
17 games
Coote: 26 errors
22 games
hayne; 13 errors
12 games
locke: 14 errors
14 games
bowen: 33 errors
21 games
Boyd: 15 errors
20 games
Slater: 30 errors
16 games
Stewart: 20 errors
16 games
Zillman: 25 errors
19 games
Wright: 14 errors
19 games
Dugan 23 errors
14 games
Barba 26 errors
22 games
Hoffman 12 errors
20 games
Not everything is about stats. He doesn't put his body on the line in attack or defence but you can't measure that.
Looking at that list of players is have to say we have one of if not the worst fullback in the comp!
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@smeghead said:Great worth as a playmaker
Can make a good try saving tackle.
At all other aspects of fullback play, including defensive line organisation…..pretty disgraceful.
I want him to achieve everything he can and it is as plain as the nose on my face that this will not be done at fullback.
It is not "hating on" Tim Moltzen it is about recognising his strengths and weaknesses as a fullback and wondering why on earth he is being played there at all, especially considering he trained all off season in the halves
When Tedesco went down, if Sheens had put Beau to 1 and left Moltzen at 7\. I'll guarantee we are not playing for our season this w/end, we'd be entrenched in the 8.
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