Moltzen

[magpiecol]

People wanted him at half instead of Lui, or at fullback instead of McKinnon. That is laughable, that's my point. The guy is not even match fit yet and some people want him starting in a key position.

I still want him at fullback instead of McKinnon however I can see your point but only because McKinnon has stepped it up recently. McKinnon lacks speed. He is a true fullback but he lacks the speed to really give the opposition problems. Moltzen could cause the opposition problems the issue with playing him at 1 is that defensively he doesn't seem up to it at the moment.

McKinnon may lack pace but he is the only fullback we have who's support play is top notch. Moltzen could never offer the same from fullback and his defense is terrible.

Who was there to take the offload in the first set when we almost scored? Who was constantly sniffing around the ruck looking for offloads all afternoon? Who made over 200 meters? McKinnon.

He may be slow but the bagging he has copped this year is pretty pathetic. The only thing he lacks is speed, which is understandable given his age and previous injuries. McKinnon has every attribute you want in a fullback.

As for Moltzen, I am not bagging him, I am bagging the people who want him playing a key position like halfback or fullback. Today showed he is way off the pace and should not even be mentioned for either of those positions. Lui is our first choice halfback, Miller should be second choice. And I would play Brown at fullback before Moltzen if McKinnon was not available for whatever reason.

McKinnon played great. You obviously have not seen Mullaney play. He is the best sniffer of a try in the club and has been for some time. He also has pace and can kick goals.

 

[tigerbenji]

I agree with goose i thought moltzen played o.k yesterday & the further the game went the better he went, we couldnt hold the ball for six tackles, & our forwards looked sluggish. we still had our chances in the second half & were still in the game with 10 to 15 minutes to go WUT WE COULDNT HOLD THE BLOODY BALL. so lets go out on friday night & ride the tigers home to a win. also if we score the first try things could of been different.

 

[hammertime]

People wanted him at half instead of Lui, or at fullback instead of McKinnon. That is laughable, that's my point. The guy is not even match fit yet and some people want him starting in a key position.

I still want him at fullback instead of McKinnon however I can see your point but only because McKinnon has stepped it up recently. McKinnon lacks speed. He is a true fullback but he lacks the speed to really give the opposition problems. Moltzen could cause the opposition problems the issue with playing him at 1 is that defensively he doesn't seem up to it at the moment.

McKinnon may lack pace but he is the only fullback we have who's support play is top notch. Moltzen could never offer the same from fullback and his defense is terrible.

Who was there to take the offload in the first set when we almost scored? Who was constantly sniffing around the ruck looking for offloads all afternoon? Who made over 200 meters? McKinnon.

He may be slow but the bagging he has copped this year is pretty pathetic. The only thing he lacks is speed, which is understandable given his age and previous injuries. McKinnon has every attribute you want in a fullback.

As for Moltzen, I am not bagging him, I am bagging the people who want him playing a key position like halfback or fullback. Today showed he is way off the pace and should not even be mentioned for either of those positions. Lui is our first choice halfback, Miller should be second choice. And I would play Brown at fullback before Moltzen if McKinnon was not available for whatever reason.

McKinnon played great. You obviously have not seen Mullaney play. He is the best sniffer of a try in the club and has been for some time. He also has pace and can kick goals.

After last game, I've been thinking that we really could use Mullaney in the squad right now to give us some attack. Lets face it, McKinnon is no amazing defender and that's the main concern with Mullany. I really would like to see him on the bench this week to come in for 20-30 minutes and add some spark.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

People wanted him at half instead of Lui, or at fullback instead of McKinnon. That is laughable, that's my point. The guy is not even match fit yet and some people want him starting in a key position.

I still want him at fullback instead of McKinnon however I can see your point but only because McKinnon has stepped it up recently. McKinnon lacks speed. He is a true fullback but he lacks the speed to really give the opposition problems. Moltzen could cause the opposition problems the issue with playing him at 1 is that defensively he doesn't seem up to it at the moment.

McKinnon may lack pace but he is the only fullback we have who's support play is top notch. Moltzen could never offer the same from fullback and his defense is terrible.

Who was there to take the offload in the first set when we almost scored? Who was constantly sniffing around the ruck looking for offloads all afternoon? Who made over 200 meters? McKinnon.

He may be slow but the bagging he has copped this year is pretty pathetic. The only thing he lacks is speed, which is understandable given his age and previous injuries. McKinnon has every attribute you want in a fullback.

As for Moltzen, I am not bagging him, I am bagging the people who want him playing a key position like halfback or fullback. Today showed he is way off the pace and should not even be mentioned for either of those positions. Lui is our first choice halfback, Miller should be second choice. And I would play Brown at fullback before Moltzen if McKinnon was not available for whatever reason.

McKinnon played great. You obviously have not seen Mullaney play. He is the best sniffer of a try in the club and has been for some time. He also has pace and can kick goals.

I have seen Mullaney play, and there is a good reason why he hasn't played FG yet.

 

[cktiger]

If they put Mullaney in we will have both him and Miller as better kickers than Benji.
Anyone think they will be first choice kickers?
People have short memories - you could see glimpses of Moltzen's class yesterday.
Our main problem yesterday was stupid mistakes ( and a few dumb decisions by refs didn't help)

 

[Chadman_s_Ghost]

Now, I'll admit I have no experience with Miller outside of what I saw on Sunday…but...

One thing I think we are overlooking when evaluating who should start at Half is this- we are down a MASSIVE amount of troops.

If you put in an 'organiser' like what Miller seems to be, you have to surround him with players that can take advantage of that. Right now- I'm not sure we have those troops.

If Moltzen plays- he offers a different type of style- more individual. He is more likely to create something himself & not rely on his support cast so much.

Add to this- Farah is a passenger & is now pretty much relegated to organiser as he can't do much himself.

Given the injury list, given the amount of inexperience on the field, Moltzen, for mine, simply offers the best chance at winning.

If we had most of our forwards back & Lui was the only significant injury- I'd be more tempted to play Miller.

but right now- this team doesn't need an inexperienced organiser in order to win games.

 

[angeman]

unfortunately moltzen is lacking confidence at it clouds his decisions in defence.

 

[mtd]

apart from the lack of involvement he had, i think people are being quite harsh.. he looks dangerous with the ball, did a few good kicks and got himself in positions to set up other players (the other players just weren't there)…

i do however agree that there was no point playing miller there for 20 mins.. shoulda been 80 mins or nothing...

personally, i'd like to see moltz in the halves again next week.

 

[mtd]

My main point of this thread was that he was underdone and that people at the start of the year calling for him to play halfback and fullback were deluded, which they are. Yesterday proved he is way off the pace and he should not even be mentioned for any key position.

moltz is a superstar in the making… the only ones delusional are the ones who can't see it.

for you to 'claim' that yesterday proved he shouldn't be mentioned for a key position is laughable. it was his first game starting in the halves in god knows how long. to expect him to come in and work his magic is, once again, laughable.

if we play him for the 6 weeks lui is out and i guarentee lui wont have his spot back.

 

[Suzie-Q]

**Sheens talked up Miller,and he should have started**,Moltzen"s defence is woefull,he needs to go back to reggies(with Daniela) and get some match practice.

I agree Miller should have started. He's a halfback. Let him do his job.

 

[hybrid_tiger]

My main point of this thread was that he was underdone and that people at the start of the year calling for him to play halfback and fullback were deluded, which they are. Yesterday proved he is way off the pace and he should not even be mentioned for any key position.

moltz is a superstar in the making… the only ones delusional are the ones who can't see it.

for you to 'claim' that yesterday proved he shouldn't be mentioned for a key position is laughable. it was his first game starting in the halves in god knows how long. to expect him to come in and work his magic is, once again, laughable.

if we play him for the 6 weeks lui is out and i guarentee lui wont have his spot back.

Sorry but there is no way Lui will lose his spot to Moltzen. Again, he is not the superstar he is being made out to be

And yes, he should not be mentioned for a key position when he has been out for so long and is barely match fit. And if you read properly I never expected him to come in and work his magic, I knew he wouldn't because he is underdone.

 

[mtd]

My main point of this thread was that he was underdone and that people at the start of the year calling for him to play halfback and fullback were deluded, which they are. Yesterday proved he is way off the pace and he should not even be mentioned for any key position.

moltz is a superstar in the making… the only ones delusional are the ones who can't see it.

for you to 'claim' that yesterday proved he shouldn't be mentioned for a key position is laughable. it was his first game starting in the halves in god knows how long. to expect him to come in and work his magic is, once again, laughable.

if we play him for the 6 weeks lui is out and i guarentee lui wont have his spot back.

Sorry but there is no way Lui will lose his spot to Moltzen. Again, he is not the superstar he is being made out to be

And yes, he should not be mentioned for a key position when he has been out for so long and is barely match fit. And if you read properly I never expected him to come in and work his magic, I knew he wouldn't because he is underdone.

lol if i knew you i'd happily slap a $100 on it… actually, i'd let you name your price!!

 

[hybrid_tiger]

My main point of this thread was that he was underdone and that people at the start of the year calling for him to play halfback and fullback were deluded, which they are. Yesterday proved he is way off the pace and he should not even be mentioned for any key position.

moltz is a superstar in the making… the only ones delusional are the ones who can't see it.

for you to 'claim' that yesterday proved he shouldn't be mentioned for a key position is laughable. it was his first game starting in the halves in god knows how long. to expect him to come in and work his magic is, once again, laughable.

if we play him for the 6 weeks lui is out and i guarentee lui wont have his spot back.

Sorry but there is no way Lui will lose his spot to Moltzen. Again, he is not the superstar he is being made out to be

And yes, he should not be mentioned for a key position when he has been out for so long and is barely match fit. And if you read properly I never expected him to come in and work his magic, I knew he wouldn't because he is underdone.

lol if i knew you i'd happily slap a $100 on it… actually, i'd let you name your price!!

You can name your price. Lui has far more to his game than Moltzen does. Better kicker, better organiser, better passer. Moltzen is a good ball runner, he is NOT an organiser.

 

[Geo]

See here is where opinions differ….Moltzen offers just as much in combination with Benji Marshall and Robbie Farah than Robbie Lui does.....

Lui is not an organizer either but was getting a better understanding of his role before he was injured...still it all starts and ends with Farah and Marshall....

 

[hybrid_tiger]

See here is where opinions differ….Moltzen offers just as much in combination with Benji Marshall and Robbie Farah than Robbie Lui does......

Disagree, I think Lui has more strings to his bow, for starters he is a good kicker. Moltzen apparently is, but you wouldn't know it as he hardly kicks during games.

 

[Goose]

See here is where opinions differ….Moltzen offers just as much in combination with Benji Marshall and Robbie Farah than Robbie Lui does......

Disagree, I think Lui has more strings to his bow, for starters he is a good kicker. Moltzen apparently is, but you wouldn't know it as he hardly kicks during games.

Geo hits the nail on the head, Marshall and Robbie are the main men, neither Lui or Moltzen are organising halves.
Lui is not a good kicker, wish he was, our general play kicking is our only weakness.

Lui has a good short passing game, he is very good at attracting defenders and dropping balls on the inside, his long passing is weak, misses the target way too often, particularly right to left.

 

[mtd]

Moltzen is a good ball runner, he is NOT an organiser.

couldnt disagree with you more…

gonna agree to disagree on this or the thread will never end... we got the season to battle this one out..

 

[kingofthejungle]

:blah :blah :blah
Tim Sheens must have a love child.. and his name must be Tim Moltzen.
His defence is weak at best, he needs to bring some strong defence like the good days at the Belrose Eagles when we play the Forestville Ferrits.

Kingofthejungle

 

[bonstonker]

See here is where opinions differ….Moltzen offers just as much in combination with Benji Marshall and Robbie Farah than Robbie Lui does......

Disagree, I think Lui has more strings to his bow, for starters he is a good kicker. Moltzen apparently is, but you wouldn't know it as he hardly kicks during games.

the main thing is that lui can pass before, at, and through the line.
someone show me where moltzen has put a player through a gap in a backline movement.
and go back to the 60min of the roosters game.huge gap and he holds it and tries to break the line with rhino screaming for the ball.
seriously,you couldn't ask for a bigger gap.
coaches should be drilling their players that moltzen will always look to go inside you.

until moltzen can show he can promote the football,i will pick lui every time.
lui has the balance of run and pass.
moltzen is just run.

 

[cktiger]

Good pass the other week into a Bulldog head