Most missed tackles

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So apparently we're a much improved defensive team.
Even though we've missed more tackles than any team in the comp.
This is a concerning stat!!

I know people are going to say that we scramble well etc (I think that's ridiculous) but is anybody happy with the fact we lead the league in missed tackles?

Are we going to be a contender in the future if we continue to be the leading team for missed tackles but scramble well?

Scrambling zaps the energy out of you.
I think we need to improve our missed tackles, whadda reckon?
 
Maybe excess scrambling tires the side and affects the attack. The attack stats are certainly down. But then shouldn't a tired side also concede points, perhaps late in the game as their resolve weakens?

But if you look purely at points conceded, then missed tackles don't seem to matter for Tigers in 2018 - 3rd best defence in the comp in terms of points conceded.

Note that the top 5 worst teams for missed tackles are Tigers (852), Panthers (844), Warriors (792), Titans (764), Raiders (732). However 2 of those 5 are in the Top 8 and 2 more are 9th and 10th respectively.

Furthermore, Panthers have the 6th-best defence and Warriors have 7th-best. So missed tackles don't seem to cripple teams points-wise, and in fact the worst 3 teams for missed tackles make up 3 of the Top 7 teams defensively. It appears, if you are going to miss tackles, then the worse you do it the better your defence ends up!?
 
I think this stat has a lot to do with the defensive styles teams apply. This year we’ve used a lot of line speed to get our defence on the front foot, which sometimes means rushing the attacker which has a bigger chance of missing the tackle but will generally slow the player down.

We also have a couple of individuals who miss a lot of tackles like Brooks.
 
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Total tackles may need to be brought into the equation as well.
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You bet it does, the stat really doesnt mean much without it.

If the ref keeps blowing penalties and the other team get set after set you are going to miss some tackles.
 
It’s as a previous poster said. We employ what’s known as a rushing defensive system and it’s all about getting multiple people into the tackles quickly as possible. In the process you are going to get a lot of misses that the second wave cleans up. It’s been very effective when you consider what has happened in the past
 
Interesting observation, OP.

A lot of old school coaches used to get worried about low missed tackle counts. They said "You can only miss the tackles you're trying to make."

think there's a lot of truth in that statement.
 
Does anyone know what actually constitutes a "missed tackle"?

If a player makes first contact, slows the attacker down but doesn't stick and then comes for a second effort and wraps them up with or without help from a team mate do they get a missed tackle for the first contact then also an effective tackle for the second effort?
 
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Does anyone know what actually constitutes a "missed tackle"?

If a player makes first contact, slows the attacker down but doesn't stick and then comes for a second effort and wraps them up with or without help from a team mate do they get a missed tackle for the first contact then also an effective tackle for the second effort?
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I’m with you. What if a player skips sideways across the field but goes past 6/7 players with the defensive team sticking their arm out yet the player makes 0m forward are they really missed tackles
 
So just as I assumed a lot of us are going to come up with reasons why we lead the comp in missed tackles.

- Our defensive style contributes to it
- What actually constitutes a missed tackle and does it really matter.
- The amount of tackles attempted.
- Our points conceded
- Our scramble
- Is scramble more beneficial to the defending team or attacking in regards to energy. etc.

These may or may not be valid reasons, and some may think that this missed tackle stat isn't a good Indication but to me a missed tackle is a missed tackle no matter how we cover it.
It's great that we're covering our missed tackles and our points conceded isn't drastically effected by the amount missed but can we keep this up and be a contender?

Is this a symptom of our defensive style and was this defensive style put in place cover our defensive deficiencies?

Is this style sustainable long-term, can we keep leading in missed tackles while continuing to reduce our points conceded and increase our points scored?
Because we'll have to do both in the future if we're going to play semi finals football.
 
I think there was a "Coaching Corner"(?) segment earlier in the season on Fox analysing our improved defence & comparing it to the eels. That was when we were going through our 5 from 6 stage against all the top 4 teams.

Even then the commentary stated how technically our defence was poor, i.e. lots of missed tackles, etc. however it was our scramble/team-work/attitude that kept the defensive line intact.

Although our scramble has been great this year, I can see how having to make multiple tackles per ruck can sap the team of energy, potentially impacting our attack, etc.

At the end of the day, with our defence now 3rd in the league thats a massive improvement & should be celebrated. Hopefully its a good platform that we can continue to build on.
 
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Does anyone know what actually constitutes a "missed tackle"?

If a player makes first contact, slows the attacker down but doesn't stick and then comes for a second effort and wraps them up with or without help from a team mate do they get a missed tackle for the first contact then also an effective tackle for the second effort?

I’m with you. What if a player skips sideways across the field but goes past 6/7 players with the defensive team sticking their arm out yet the player makes 0m forward are they really missed tackles
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The NRL define it as: **_Missed tackles – Defensive player does not bring player to ground or complete tackle_**

Not sure if it's still the case, but there used to be at least one subscription based stats provider that broke these down into more detail.
 
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It's great that we're covering our missed tackles and our points conceded isn't drastically effected by the amount missed but can we keep this up and be a contender?

Is this a symptom of our defensive style and was this defensive style put in place cover our defensive deficiencies?

Is this style sustainable long-term, can we keep leading in missed tackles while continuing to reduce our points conceded and increase our points scored?
Because we'll have to do both in the future if we're going to play semi finals football.
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What does "sustainable" mean? Obviously it is a sustainable strategy because we are 2 rounds from the end of the season and still 3rd-best defence, and we've been around that mark all season.

Does it mean sustainable in terms of making the finals? Hard to say at this time, we've only employed the strategy for one season. Certainly the Panthers and Warriors are comfortably in finals contention and they also have large missed tackle counts - so large missed tackles isn't necessarily an indicator of missing finals.

And in fact if we had a Maloney, a Kikau, an RTS, a Shaun Johnson then we might be a superior attacking team - that might be the main difference between our sides.
 
I think more telling is the number of line breaks conceded and metres conceded after contact.
That tells you more about how the opposition is rolling through you - or not - as the case may be
 
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I prefer looking % completion

Tells a bigger story
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Tend to agree and how many penalties we concede. Anyone got a stat of how many penalty counts we’ve won?? Guessing it wouldn’t be many
 
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I prefer looking % completion

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Tend to agree and how many penalties we concede. Anyone got a stat of how many penalty counts we’ve won?? Guessing it wouldn’t be many
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Pretty sure we completed highly against the Bulldogs, it doesn't do you much good if you hold the pill but never threaten the oppositions line.

But of course completions are vital.
 
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It's great that we're covering our missed tackles and our points conceded isn't drastically effected by the amount missed but can we keep this up and be a contender?

Is this a symptom of our defensive style and was this defensive style put in place cover our defensive deficiencies?

Is this style sustainable long-term, can we keep leading in missed tackles while continuing to reduce our points conceded and increase our points scored?
Because we'll have to do both in the future if we're going to play semi finals football.

What does "sustainable" mean? Obviously it is a sustainable strategy because we are 2 rounds from the end of the season and still 3rd-best defence, and we've been around that mark all season.

Does it mean sustainable in terms of making the finals? Hard to say at this time, we've only employed the strategy for one season. Certainly the Panthers and Warriors are comfortably in finals contention and they also have large missed tackle counts - so large missed tackles isn't necessarily an indicator of missing finals.

And in fact if we had a Maloney, a Kikau, an RTS, a Shaun Johnson then we might be a superior attacking team - that might be the main difference between our sides.
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Yes sustainable in terms of continuing to lead the missed tackles but still be a semi final and premiership contender.

So far we've discovered that it's good if you want to finish just outside the 8, but so was our old style.

It's an odd one, I wonder if we'd finish the 3rd best defensive side if we didn't lead the missed tackles?

For some reason teams like Melbourne could be the no 1 defensive side one year and make the top 4, then the next year be no 8 and still make it.
Yet we're no 3 and we're finishing outside the 8 again,
 
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