Mybe is a myth

All I want from him is quick passing when he's the link man. Tedesco used to set up tries with the quick hands all the time. Mbye did it last year a lot. This year he isn't throwing the last passes and getting caught with the ball too much. Not that the defense is getting up quicker, he is just not throwing the passes.
 
Can understand this perspective, and occasionally that's the right play.
However, it shouldn't be anyone's default, especially when there is time to make another play. Brooks did that a couple of times last year to help us close out games when we had a lead, but he actively ran to a corner, he didn't just stop 15 metres in-field like we had just gotten 6 again.

Also, against the Broncos I'm sure he did it on an earlier tackle too at least once.

Agree with you about Benji, happy with the spine for now, just want to see a bit more from the fullback in attack.
 
Bottom four fullbacks in the comp? Michael Gordon, Te Maire Martin, Darius Boyd, Charnze Nichol-Klokstad, Brendan Elliott and Nick Meaney all say hi.
 
So, from reading about PCL tears, Grade 1 or 2 can usually 'repair themselves' with rest, elevation, ice etc.
If surgery is required, (Grade 3 and 4 - especially if other damage to knee components are involved), can take 6 to 12 months for full recovery.
I guess it is a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' situation here. Play on with continued pain and swelling, or pretty much risk the rest of the season if surgery is required.
Tough call
 
Might be injured, might be safe - one thing I can say for certain is that he doesn’t have me sitting on the edge of my seat when he gets the ball.

His attempt at taking the bomb on Thursday night was poor. Poor because he didn’t have the pace to get anywhere near it. Couldnt keep up with Fifita chasing the grubber.

Not sure of recovery periods for a PCL but if it means we get a fit Mybe back for the end of the year or next year, he should just have the surgery now. If his injury isn’t that bad that he can play on then I guess what we are seeing is what we’re going to get.
 
Obviously haven’t watched CNK this year then. Meaney has been good in his first two games too. Both traveling worlds above Mbye atm.
 
The one thing i think people here are missing is how important fullbacks are for our defence. They are massive organisers and sort it out throughout the whole game.

Yes Thompson looks more electric but i feel his organisation might not be up to scratch as his one game at the back was against a very poor Manly team and for attack Farah scored our tries out of nothing. So putting Corey at FB i don't think would improve our attack or defence.

Mbye definitely has a niggle and isn't at his best but i would keep him there. People giving it to him about the bomb attempt against Brisbane HE DID THE RIGHT THING, he knew he couldn't get there so he tried to smother it to negate its chances of bouncing God knows where which could have resulted in the donkeys scoring.

I love Thompson but i think it is best for the team for Mbye to stay at FB
 
If it's ok with you I'm going to give it a little more than two games to make a call on a guy like Meaney who from what I've heard was stinking it up in reggies until a desperation call into first grade. Nichol-Klokstad is doing ok in attack, is defensively suspect and, again, has virtually no experience.

Personally I think Mbye is decent and probably playing injured at the moment.

I'd group NRL fullbacks as follows:

Superstars: Tedesco, Trbojevic, Ponga and Tuivasa-Scheck at a push.
Very good: Gutherson and Moylan.
Good but limited/inconsistent: Johnston and Dufty.
Mediocre: Boyd, Gordon and Te Maire Martin.
Too soon to tell: Jahrome Hughes, Nichol-Klokstad, Watene-Zelezniak, Meaney.

Fully fit, I think Mbye can be in the second group and even now his defensive qualities mean he's probably got more value than a Dufty or even arguably a Johnston (who is massively flattered by the team he plays for). If all those last four turn into really good players I guess Mbye could end up being in the bottom half of the comp, but I think it's more likely that he's around the middle with lots of up side given he's probably playing at rather less than 100%. That doesn't wildly excite me but on a reasonable contract (which we think he's on as the Dogs are paying some of it) that's a pass mark for the Tigers.
 
He is a good organiser in defence.

You see him calling out to players, gets up into the line when needed also. Almost got found out a couple of times against the boncos.
 
And again last night, CNK had a strong game. I've never understood the dislike for Gordon either. I think he's been very good, consistent and reliable for a very long time. But each to their own.
 
Every single one of those players has had a better year than MBye. But to break it down, CNK is already lightyears better, Gordon got MOM the othe rnight, Meaney carved us up and Boyd is doing no worse/better than Mbye, he has just been solid.

The only ones Mbye is better than on that list is probably Gordon (who is still outplaying him), Elliot (who is not there first fullback anyway…Tom Turbo?), and Te Maire Martin.
 
We're talking about different things. I'm talking about a player who has a track record of being good to very good and is possibly playing injured. You're talking about five games of football.

I don't think anyone is going to argue that Mbye's form isn't down, again possibly/probably injury affected. But I am genuinely astonished at how willing people are to write him off immediately on the basis of five mediocre games. I can only be thankful that none of you are ever going to have responsibility for developing a roster or picking a team.
 
The question though is…...

Would they be better with a PCL injury?

Most of those you mention - the answer would be NO!
 
I don't know. How much is his PCL actually effecting him or are we just assuming that it is? What grade PCL is it? If its a minor grade it can be repaired in 6 weeks for a normal person, and I would say probably alot faster for those with the extensive rehab programs that NRL Clubs have. In my opinion, while I admire players who play "injured", if that is a serious reason for him not playing "to his ability", then he shouldn't be playing. Mbye is a good defensive setter, and I would say he is safe under the high ball. While this is great, lets face it, to be a good club in the nrl you need a fullback who does more than that, someone who puts fear in the opposition defence and Mbye is bringing little in attack. Even Boyd is fairly solid all round but widely criticised as hes bringing nothing in attack. MBye brought a little last year, but nothing to put him anywhere near the top half of fullbacks. On 2019 form..

1) RTS
2) Tedesco
3) Trbojevic
4) Gutherson
5) Ponga

Daylight

6) CNK
7) Johnson
8) J.Hughes
9) Moylan

Daylight

10) Gordon
11) Dufty
12) Meaney

Daylight

13) DWZ
14) Boyd
15) Mbye
16) TMM

Some of the spots could be jinked obviously but only minimally.
 
Agree with this. Big difference between the the short-term form of that footballer and all the other considerations - career output, longer-term potential, expected ability.

A few years ago Latrell Mitchell was dropped to ISP for being a lair and not putting in on the field, now he's the best centre in the comp by some distance. Everyone knew he'd come good, because the capability was there.

CNK is doing just fine in a winning Raiders team, but 12 matches into his stop-start NRL career, I wouldn't be making summary judgements about who he is "lightyears better" than.
 
Tedesco's class was never recognised by many on this forum, some suggested 'he should play centre' while others wanted to swap him for Canberra's Wighton????? Please explain.
 
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