NC worth a Million

[avocadoontoast]

If Brooks is on $550k I'd pay Cleary around $650k because I think he's better than Brooks but not that much better. I don't watch many games other than Wests Tigers so I've had to judge him on 3 SOO games. To be honest I was really disappointed in his attacking game in all 3 Origin games.

So you've only seen him play in 3 games (against the best players in the game) but from that limited game time you are able to deduce that he's only worth $100k more than Brooks who's never played at rep level? Impressive.

Spare me the sarcasm. If you want to put a counter view, more power to you but don't belittle yourself by trying to belittle others. It says a lot about your character and none of it is good.

Well you come out and say you haven't really seen him play at club level but you're happy to judge him up against a guy that you've seen play a hundred times. If you were making the same assumption based on Maloney's game last night you'd say he was worth about $5\. Which is why making those kind of assumptions based on such limited play is ridiculous.

Cleary is clearly a quality player but he's also a player that's playing behind a quality forward pack. How would he be playing behind our rabble of a pack? Who knows, it's too hard to say. We know that in club football, behind a strong pack, he's an excellent player. Probably the brightest young halfback in the comp. Worth $1m? Possibly, and someone will absolutely pay him that. Would it be wise for us to pay $1m for him? Probably not, because our forward pack is hopeless and has zero go forward. In my opinion we'd be better off investing in the forwards and a couple of fast backs first.

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

Not a million $$$ player yet has the potential to be,struggled a little at SOO level but is the best we have at present and the experience will be invaluable for the future, looks good at Penriff with strong backs and forwards running off him goal kicking a big plus and can defend it a shame Benji doesn't have a few more seasons left in him could teach him a lot probably still can in an off field role.

 

[MissMe911]

As good as any other player on a mil

 

[coivtny]

If Brooks is on $550k I'd pay Cleary around $650k because I think he's better than Brooks but not that much better. I don't watch many games other than Wests Tigers so I've had to judge him on 3 SOO games. To be honest I was really disappointed in his attacking game in all 3 Origin games.

So you've only seen him play in 3 games (against the best players in the game) but from that limited game time you are able to deduce that he's only worth $100k more than Brooks who's never played at rep level? Impressive.

Spare me the sarcasm. If you want to put a counter view, more power to you but don't belittle yourself by trying to belittle others. It says a lot about your character and none of it is good.

Well you come out and say you haven't really seen him play at club level but you're happy to judge him up against a guy that you've seen play a hundred times. If you were making the same assumption based on Maloney's game last night you'd say he was worth about $5\. Which is why making those kind of assumptions based on such limited play is ridiculous.

Cleary is clearly a quality player but he's also a player that's playing behind a quality forward pack. How would he be playing behind our rabble of a pack? Who knows, it's too hard to say. We know that in club football, behind a strong pack, he's an excellent player. Probably the brightest young halfback in the comp. Worth $1m? Possibly, and someone will absolutely pay him that. Would it be wise for us to pay $1m for him? Probably not, because our forward pack is hopeless and has zero go forward. In my opinion we'd be better off investing in the forwards and a couple of fast backs first.

Much better and more balanced response and done without sarcasm this time.

 

[avocadoontoast]

So you've only seen him play in 3 games (against the best players in the game) but from that limited game time you are able to deduce that he's only worth $100k more than Brooks who's never played at rep level? Impressive.

Spare me the sarcasm. If you want to put a counter view, more power to you but don't belittle yourself by trying to belittle others. It says a lot about your character and none of it is good.

Well you come out and say you haven't really seen him play at club level but you're happy to judge him up against a guy that you've seen play a hundred times. If you were making the same assumption based on Maloney's game last night you'd say he was worth about $5\. Which is why making those kind of assumptions based on such limited play is ridiculous.

Cleary is clearly a quality player but he's also a player that's playing behind a quality forward pack. How would he be playing behind our rabble of a pack? Who knows, it's too hard to say. We know that in club football, behind a strong pack, he's an excellent player. Probably the brightest young halfback in the comp. Worth $1m? Possibly, and someone will absolutely pay him that. Would it be wise for us to pay $1m for him? Probably not, because our forward pack is hopeless and has zero go forward. In my opinion we'd be better off investing in the forwards and a couple of fast backs first.

Much better and more balanced response and done without sarcasm this time.

:slight_smile:

 

[hodgo]

and here is the problem people dont want "plodders" but wont pay market price for players i dont get it. You are not getting a gun from another team for peanuts

 

[jadtiger]

and here is the problem people dont want "plodders" but wont pay market price for players i dont get it. You are not getting a gun from another team for peanuts

Correct if you want quality you have to pay accordingly

 

[bigsiro]

and here is the problem people dont want "plodders" but wont pay market price for players i dont get it. You are not getting a gun from another team for peanuts

Correct if you want quality you have to pay accordingly

Totally.
Even paying more than market value is still worth it, i.e. for the team that really needs it.

 

[TonyTiger]

Great goal kicker but has not impressed since returning from the knee injury, despite playing behind the best forward pack in the comp.
It depends how Mbye goes with the goal kicking for the remainder of this year whether we really need Cleary for that purpose. I guess Brooks will be asking a lot more next contract and has up / down form but has really improved defensively this year.
I think the panthers would love to keep Cleary but they an awesome fallback option with a that kid who filled in for Cleary last game ( much cheaper option at that ).

 

[clifferdSH]

Not in great form ATM but he is still worth every penny imo. A 20 year old who's already played finals and in an origin winning series would be huge and still has a load of improvement in him. If we get him we could be getting him in some of his prime years as a footballer

 

[Snake]

and here is the problem people dont want "plodders" but wont pay market price for players i dont get it. You are not getting a gun from another team for peanuts

But most of us agree that a couple of Million will have to be spent on a forward pack that will accommodate spending one million on a half back . No use having a Ferrari body with a Proton motor it would be irresponsible of the club to consider that as there are no winners.

 

[bigsiro]

and here is the problem people dont want "plodders" but wont pay market price for players i dont get it. You are not getting a gun from another team for peanuts

But most of us agree that a couple of Million will have to be spent on a forward pack that will accommodate spending one million on a half back .

Don't necessarily agree. Investing too much in forwards with such rubbish backs can be problematic. Besides, we just bought Packer, Matulino and now Garner. If they performed we wouldn't have this discussion. Sad that.

We need one strike second rower but come one it's time to get a proper halfback.

 

[kingbrooks]

Not even close to worth a million.

NC plays behind the best forward pack in the comp and with a strong backline. When he runs to the line, he can hit Kikau, Yeo, Fisher Hair, Harawira-Neira, and thats on the back of guys like Campbell-Gillard going forward. Whebn Brooks goes to the line his options are Rochow, Taylor, Eisenhuth. Brooks has legitimately nothing to work with, he has to make others look good.

Don't get me wrong, Cleary is good, but put him in the Tigers this year and I don't honestly think we are any higher on the lader. Last year, he was okay for the first 20 rounds and had a good final 2 months, again playing witha superstar team.

Other than some last tackle options, Brooks is going okay behind the weakest pack in the comp.

 

[supercoach]

He is a game manager not a flashy attacking player, and we need a game manager. You can have a great pack of forwards but without a game manager they will never amount to much. He could probably even get our plodders looking good.

He alone will not make us a force but he will help

 

[jirskyr]

Whilst I agree you need your forward pack working properly to let the halves play properly, I wonder what Tigers would be like having a bloke who defends well, covers the park (NC consistently posting highest travel metres in each Origin match), kicks and passes well, has a calm head, kicks goals at a high percentage.

Literally we have never had a footballer like that, always had rocks-diamonds types in the halves, that could win a match late or murder a lead. Benjis, Brooks, Slimey Fart, Craig Field. Scott Prince perhaps our closest type but even he was up and down.

Is he worth $1M? Yes - current market value for a top halfback. NC would be one of the better halfbacks in the comp in anyone's books, and is only very young. He's played 3 seasons now so it's no fluke, no first-year syndrome.

But the truest irony here is two-fold for me.

Number 1 - we are a legitimate shot at signing NC because of his Dad. Totally legit opportunity to sign an elite-level rep footballer, and people are poo-pooing it. I get it, you don't think he's worth the money, but everyone thought Tedesco was worth $1M and is Tedesco clearly a better club footballer than NC? We currently have ZERO Origin players on our books, have a think about that. Sure I'd love to sign a top-line prop or centre, but we also have to think about who we might legitimately convince to come to the Tigers without forking out $1.5M per season to swing it.

And Number 2 - judging his capability as a long-term club footballer based on a single Origin series, if anyone is doing only that, is lunacy. Or maybe you have it backwards, because he's just played his first Origin and we won the series. The last 4 halfbacks to win a SOO series for NSW are NC, Trent Hodkinson and Kimmorley/Joey Johns.

 

[hammertime]

I think people also are losing sight of how much the cap has gone up in recent times. $1 million doesn't mean the same as $1 million when DCE signed or Taumalolo. It's a smaller percentage of the cap.

A Cleary/Brooks/Mbye/Liddle combo will be pretty damn good. If we've forward loaded some contracts, the $1mil won't bite into our cap as much.

 

[bp_tiger]

O.K then signing him up i am convinced.

 

[Fibros]

I voted yes for a number of reasons.

Wests are struggling to attract elite players and signing NC would be an elite signing.

I believe this will help Wests to attract players similar to Cowboys and JT has and as Ponga will for Knights.

NC is an outstanding young man with potential to be the face of the NRL for many years to come.

The 1m price tag is in the ball park of the elite HB in todays game. But we are not the Rorters and will need to pay overs for an elite player or 2 to attract others.

 

[prattenparkchild]

Signing Nathan and any other player (re props and good back rowers) doesnt need to mutually exclude one another. If fact could be used as a good plan to show them WT mean business.

I think Brooks has done his dash and wont improve any further as a halfback, we have spent too much time hoping. I'm open to him possibly trying other positions but I dont know what.

 

[Newtown]

Forget about the money ladies and gentlemen

If we can't put a forward pack in front of NC that can hold it's own , he won't be coming even if we cough up 1.5 million

I agree. We need strong forwards and centres not another halfback. After paying $1.1 miliion to NC work out whether we could then afford another "reasonable" player to improve our team. Also it would be likely that we would have to payout the remaining on Brooks' contract. I wonder how those proposing NC be signed for $1.1 milliom go handling the family budget let alone an NRL club budget.