No goal kicker for three years = farcical

[jirskyr]

No mate, this is not a reaction.
Tonight was just there for all to see, but it has been going on for ages and you know it. Panthers game was lost directly also…as were games last year.
As was momentum all the times we went up by 4 and 4 whilst opponents went up by 6 and 6

If you are good enough then the odd goal doesn't matter. You are applying selective memory - "look at that Bulldogs and Panthers games, clear for all to see that with conversions we win".

Hmm righto, what about Rd 14 when we beat Cowboys 27-26 and Marsters kicked 5/5? What about Rd 15 when we beat Souths 14-9 and Marsters kicked 3/3? What about Rd 19 when we beat Newcastle 28-26 and Mbye kicked 4/5?

Yes goal kicking needs to improve. Marsters kicked reasonably well last year but lost his rhythm this year. Fair enough, it happens, so we replaced him a month ago and IMO Mbye has been kicking well. Momirovski and Benji are also experienced goal kickers. There's nothing farcical about it except that we lack a clinical goal kicker, and frankly they are hard to come by - we haven't had one since Hodgo or Luke Covell.

Panthers have an absolutely marvelous goal kicker and it's not making their season. Someone mentioned Harris-Tevita as a good young kicker, not helping Warriors much either. Bulldogs kicked 3/3 last night and are not going to play finals. Gordon at the Titans is a good goal kicker as well.

I'm onboard with the concept of finding a better kicker, but he also has to be a good footballer, you can't carry an Eoin Crossan.

BUT before any of that we need to play for 80 continuous minutes every week, no switch offs. We need to be competitive with the top sides, which in 2019 we absolutely have not been - an early win over Manly, a close loss to Melbourne and the rest have been hidings. In the context of failing to play finals in 2019, goal kicking is halfway down the list of priorities to fix.

 

[Tigerlily]

Absolutely disgusting...


 

[happy_tiger]

Imagine if Benji took it and missed it. It would have been worth us losing to see the meltdowns.

I wonder why Benji doesn't kick anymore , I'm guessing it is a leg injury issue , but my 1st thought was I hope Benji takes the kick ....handy bloke if able to handle pressure

 

[Newtown]

@maxxn99 Benji should have had a shot the goal and taken the pressure off a rookie first grade goalkicker.

 

[happy_tiger]

Absolutely disgusting...


I don't know if goalkicking and hitting the driver are close ....but I knew if I was slightly pulling it straight I was very close to knocking them down the guts

Last bloke who should be getting the blame is Momi .....

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

I dont think its an over reaction to ask questions why we havent prioritised a decent kicker. Marsters was never confident, Mbye similar but slightly better but we have had years to fix this up yet Cleary now Madge possibly to a lesser extent want to manufacture a 70-80% kicker, not good enough. If we had a decent kicker like the majority of other teams we would have won last night and also probably another 1-2 games during the season which probably gets us into the finals. Im not going to put Momo to the sword but prob should have slotted a couple more last night.

 

[Newtown]

I was not at the ground last night but would the strong wind have seriously affected the kicking?

 

[851]

I was not at the ground last night but would the strong wind have seriously affected the kicking?

Meaney kicked 3 from 3, one from the sideline, we missed because our kicker was very poor, 2 from 5

 

[tigerap]

I would love to know how many games we have lost this year after missing conversions/penalty goals we should have thrown over.....At least 2 maybe 3 games.....thats 6 points, add the OT loss to Penrith early in the year and the heartbreaking loss to the Storm that is 10 points down the drain

 

[Peter_B]

I can't think of any other team in the NRL that would have lost that game last night. Our goal kicking was diabolical and simply not acceptable for a
professional" first grade side. It has cost us an (easy) chance in the final 8 - now it's up to the god's... I agree with other comments re some leadership (or lack thereof) in the lead up to the last attempt. I feel sick to my stomach with theresult.

 

[TheDaBoss]

Lets point our fingers and do the twist

 

[Newtown]

Lets point our fingers and do the twist

My friend who is a Canterbury supporter told me this morning, "Your team really needs to find a goalkicker".

 

[TheDaBoss]

Lets point our fingers and do the twist

My friend who is a Canterbury supporter told me this morning, "Your team really needs to find a goalkicker".

Ok

Tell him to tell the dogs that rhyse martin should of come to us?

 

[jirskyr]

I was not at the ground last night but would the strong wind have seriously affected the kicking?

Meaney kicked 3 from 3, one from the sideline, we missed because our kicker was very poor, 2 from 5

One was a good kick from the SL that hit the upright, the first penalty was a little tricky, but the last one was a shank pure and simple. His reaction as soon as he struck it, you could see he knew he'd shanked it straight away. I would guess he was extremely nervous and it impacted his mechanics, i.e. he got too tense.

 

[ElleryHanley]

No mate, this is not a reaction.
Tonight was just there for all to see, but it has been going on for ages and you know it. Panthers game was lost directly also…as were games last year.
As was momentum all the times we went up by 4 and 4 whilst opponents went up by 6 and 6

If you are good enough then the odd goal doesn't matter. You are applying selective memory - "look at that Bulldogs and Panthers games, clear for all to see that with conversions we win".

Hmm righto, what about Rd 14 when we beat Cowboys 27-26 and Marsters kicked 5/5? What about Rd 15 when we beat Souths 14-9 and Marsters kicked 3/3? What about Rd 19 when we beat Newcastle 28-26 and Mbye kicked 4/5?

Yes goal kicking needs to improve. Marsters kicked reasonably well last year but lost his rhythm this year. Fair enough, it happens, so we replaced him a month ago and IMO Mbye has been kicking well. Momirovski and Benji are also experienced goal kickers. There's nothing farcical about it except that we lack a clinical goal kicker, and frankly they are hard to come by - we haven't had one since Hodgo or Luke Covell.

Panthers have an absolutely marvelous goal kicker and it's not making their season. Someone mentioned Harris-Tevita as a good young kicker, not helping Warriors much either. Bulldogs kicked 3/3 last night and are not going to play finals. Gordon at the Titans is a good goal kicker as well.

I'm onboard with the concept of finding a better kicker, but he also has to be a good footballer, you can't carry an Eoin Crossan.

BUT before any of that we need to play for 80 continuous minutes every week, no switch offs. We need to be competitive with the top sides, which in 2019 we absolutely have not been - an early win over Manly, a close loss to Melbourne and the rest have been hidings. In the context of failing to play finals in 2019, goal kicking is halfway down the list of priorities to fix.

Those games you refer to where Esan kicked them were almost entirely pot shots. Esan himself has admitted he was mentally shot kicking.

We have by far the worst side line rate in the comp and, also by far, the worst record with pressure kicks.

If you do not not think goal kicking is an issue, then I do not know what else to say mate....

 

[fair dinkum]

I would love to know how many games we have lost this year after missing conversions/penalty goals we should have thrown over.....At least 2 maybe 3 games.....thats 6 points, add the OT loss to Penrith early in the year and the heartbreaking loss to the Storm that is 10 points down the drain

Well established low IQ club.

Same thing every year.

Main kickers from establishment -

Joel Caine - 2000 - 2003 70%
Luke Covell 2003 - 80%
Brett Hodgson 2004 - 2008 75% [won the comp kicking at 82% in 2005]
Benji 2006 - 2013 70% [kicked at 66% in 2009 and 2010]
Patty 2014 - 2015 77%
Mitch Moses - 2016 - 2017 69%
Marsters 2018 - 75% 2019 - 65%

With the exception of bringing back big Patty in 2014/15 I have never felt confident of a conversion since 2008 when Hodgo was the kicker. Benji lost so many games during his 5 years as a kicker at 70% for us it still makes me angry nothing was done about it then! Moses was pathetic and now Marsters kicking at 65% finally forced them to do something about it.

Just for comparison, consistent top teams goal kickers are as follows.

Cam Smith 2003-2019 75%
John Thurston 2005 - 2018 80%
Latrell Mitchell 2016 - 2019 77%
Adam Reynolds 2012 - 2019 82%
James Maloney 81%

Some muppet sitting on his laptop in his kitchen has just worked out you need an 80% kicker if you want to get anywhere near the premiership. Whats the issues here, whats wrong with this Tigers club?

Low IQ across the board, coach and players. Week in, week out.

 

[tigerap]

We have 2 coaches (Hodgo and Richards) who were established goalkickers....they clearly can't coach.

 

[ElleryHanley]

I would love to know how many games we have lost this year after missing conversions/penalty goals we should have thrown over.....At least 2 maybe 3 games.....thats 6 points, add the OT loss to Penrith early in the year and the heartbreaking loss to the Storm that is 10 points down the drain

Well established low IQ club.

Same thing every year.

Main kickers from establishment -

Joel Caine - 2000 - 2003 70%
Luke Covell 2003 - 80%
Brett Hodgson 2004 - 2008 75% [won the comp kicking at 82% in 2005]
Benji 2006 - 2013 70% [kicked at 66% in 2009 and 2010]
Patty 2014 - 2015 77%
Mitch Moses - 2016 - 2017 69%
Marsters 2018 - 75% 2019 - 65%

With the exception of bringing back big Patty in 2014/15 I have never felt confident of a conversion since 2008 when Hodgo was the kicker. Benji lost so many games during his 5 years as a kicker at 70% for us it still makes me angry nothing was done about it then! Moses was pathetic and now Marsters kicking at 65% finally forced them to do something about it.

Just for comparison, consistent top teams goal kickers are as follows.

Cam Smith 2003-2019 75%
John Thurston 2005 - 2018 80%
Latrell Mitchell 2016 - 2019 77%
Adam Reynolds 2012 - 2019 82%
James Maloney 81%

Some muppet sitting on his laptop in his kitchen has just worked out you need an 80% kicker if you want to get anywhere near the premiership. Whats the issues here, whats wrong with this Tigers club?

Low IQ across the board, coach and players. Week in, week out.

Great post.

And, as I have said a few times, the only excuse for not having a kicker is you can't fit him in as you have so many great non kicking players who need to play.

But we have 4-5 plodders, all who could/ should have been replaced by a kicker.

 

[fair dinkum]

We have 2 coaches (Hodgo and Richards) who were established goalkickers....they clearly can't coach.

Just like Sterlo and Matty Johns have said many times, Just because you were great at something, doesnt mean youll be a good teacher/coach at it. These 2 have proven the point.

Id much prefer Patty still playing on our wing at 52 years old if he can still kick it at 80%, he wouldnt be letting the current team down in comparative playing ability either.

 

[fair dinkum]

I would love to know how many games we have lost this year after missing conversions/penalty goals we should have thrown over.....At least 2 maybe 3 games.....thats 6 points, add the OT loss to Penrith early in the year and the heartbreaking loss to the Storm that is 10 points down the drain

Well established low IQ club.

Same thing every year.

Main kickers from establishment -

Joel Caine - 2000 - 2003 70%
Luke Covell 2003 - 80%
Brett Hodgson 2004 - 2008 75% [won the comp kicking at 82% in 2005]
Benji 2006 - 2013 70% [kicked at 66% in 2009 and 2010]
Patty 2014 - 2015 77%
Mitch Moses - 2016 - 2017 69%
Marsters 2018 - 75% 2019 - 65%

With the exception of bringing back big Patty in 2014/15 I have never felt confident of a conversion since 2008 when Hodgo was the kicker. Benji lost so many games during his 5 years as a kicker at 70% for us it still makes me angry nothing was done about it then! Moses was pathetic and now Marsters kicking at 65% finally forced them to do something about it.

Just for comparison, consistent top teams goal kickers are as follows.

Cam Smith 2003-2019 75%
John Thurston 2005 - 2018 80%
Latrell Mitchell 2016 - 2019 77%
Adam Reynolds 2012 - 2019 82%
James Maloney 81%

Some muppet sitting on his laptop in his kitchen has just worked out you need an 80% kicker if you want to get anywhere near the premiership. Whats the issues here, whats wrong with this Tigers club?

Low IQ across the board, coach and players. Week in, week out.


Great post.

And, as I have said a few times, the only excuse for not having a kicker is you can't fit him in as you have so many great non kicking players who need to play.

But we have 4-5 plodders, all who could/ should have been replaced by a kicker.

I couldnt agree more, my post was great :laughing:

And your point is so on point its got points on its points.

Replace a nuffty with a nuffty that can kick!!!! So simples it hurts.