I can't see any Sydney teams being cut unless they are a complete basketcase at the time of decisions. Wests Tigers represents a massive demographic area, Parramatta and Penrith likewise. I can't see Manly going as it is the only North Shore club and is up against Rugby. Easts and Souths could easily merge except for their own club politics. Easts probably should have been one of the first clubs cut years ago but for their strong financial backing. There was also talk years ago of South taking over Cronulla but it would also be possible to merge Saints and Cronulla. The Bulldogs could also be merged. There is no easy answer and I suggest this is one of the main reasons why no changes to the makeup of the competition have been pushed for years. It is possible to lessen the number of teams in Sydney through merges but we have seen that this can be tough but it's imo better than completely cutting a club from existence.
NRL must cut games and expand
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Milky is spot on.
Our bit was 16 years ago…means diddly squat now.
We cannot play that card forever, we really haven't moved forward at all in 15 years...3 grounds...crap outdated training base...poor crowds and memberships.
It's obvious there are too many Sydney teams...The balance is way out of whack..anyone can see that.
As unpopular as it is...we would be one of the first culled imo
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Our bit was 16 years ago…means diddly squat now.
We cannot play that card forever, we really haven't moved forward at all in 15 years...3 grounds...crap outdated training base...poor crowds and memberships.
It's obvious there are too many Sydney teams...The balance is way out of whack..anyone can see that.
As unpopular as it is...we would be one of the first culled imo
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GNR4LIFE
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I don't think they'd want to cull any South West team, so we'd be safe.
I don't know if this has been suggested before but why not have two conferences, for example
Sydney Conference
Tigers
Souths
Roosters
Manly
Cronulla
Parra
Penrith
Bulldogs
Saints
Outer Sydney Conference
Raiders
Storm
Broncos
Titans
Cowboys
Warriors
Newcastle
New team 1
New Team 2
Each team in each conference plays each team twice.
Top 4 teams from both conference go into the finals with bottom two losers eliminated each week as we do now.
That's a total of 16 weeks for the normal season plus 4 weeks of finals and 3 SOO games (if stand alone gives 3 byes)
In total that's 23 weeks of games which is 5 weeks less than what we have now (my maths could be wrong) and that's including 2 new teams. If another two team were added (one to each conference) it would only add another two weeks to the competition.
Plus it has to be fairer than the system we have now where every team doesn't play every team twice.
Hope I haven't forgotten any important points but it seems workable to me.
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Sydney Conference
Tigers
Souths
Roosters
Manly
Cronulla
Parra
Penrith
Bulldogs
Saints
Outer Sydney Conference
Raiders
Storm
Broncos
Titans
Cowboys
Warriors
Newcastle
New team 1
New Team 2
Each team in each conference plays each team twice.
Top 4 teams from both conference go into the finals with bottom two losers eliminated each week as we do now.
That's a total of 16 weeks for the normal season plus 4 weeks of finals and 3 SOO games (if stand alone gives 3 byes)
In total that's 23 weeks of games which is 5 weeks less than what we have now (my maths could be wrong) and that's including 2 new teams. If another two team were added (one to each conference) it would only add another two weeks to the competition.
Plus it has to be fairer than the system we have now where every team doesn't play every team twice.
Hope I haven't forgotten any important points but it seems workable to me.
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happy_tiger
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If this was to happen today , I'd reckon the WT's would be in strife along with the Sharks
What happens in the next 5-10 years will be crucial to our future
What happens in the next 5-10 years will be crucial to our future
lol…again ....You have seen what happens to Clubs on the field when injury strikes there is not the quality of players to compete as the Competition stands ATM.....
We have been through it before South Qld Crushers Hunter Mariners Northern Beagles Adelaide Rams Perth Reds all failed.....If the NRL wants to Cull Sydeny teams to "EXPAND" into other areas they are doomed to repeat these failures of the past,,,,never mind alienating existing supporter bases you only have to look at Our Beloved WT to see the impact this stuff has...
Did Stupid League teach you nothing NRL...
We have been through it before South Qld Crushers Hunter Mariners Northern Beagles Adelaide Rams Perth Reds all failed.....If the NRL wants to Cull Sydeny teams to "EXPAND" into other areas they are doomed to repeat these failures of the past,,,,never mind alienating existing supporter bases you only have to look at Our Beloved WT to see the impact this stuff has...
Did Stupid League teach you nothing NRL...
I'm with JC Tiger. Good Plan Mate.
Always thought Souffs and Easts should merge - their area is the size of a pinhead.
I don't care how much money they have, how much influence they have or how well they are going. The area does not warrant 2 places. Stick that … Richo.
JC Tiger solves just about all the problems. Have always been a fan of 2 groups and they come together for a Super finals series. In years to come you could have 3 groups.
Two groups brings back the tribal equation to Sydney (did it ever go) just fades when you play out of towners. However you can't have 9 teams in the outer group - it has to be even or a bye comes in. So you have to introduce 1 Team or 3 teams. NZ2, England and Pacific Islands are my three. Much more viable than Perth, Central Coast or QLD3\. Maybe in later years for them.
This also solves the problem of Broncos being on TV every Friday night (favouritism).
That is not on.
Sure they'll come up with some hair brained idea, Richo has a number of axes to grind and we are one of them.
Not sure from memory now but think it was cqTiger who said they have a number of problems to solve before they worry about this. Spot on.
Always thought Souffs and Easts should merge - their area is the size of a pinhead.
I don't care how much money they have, how much influence they have or how well they are going. The area does not warrant 2 places. Stick that … Richo.
JC Tiger solves just about all the problems. Have always been a fan of 2 groups and they come together for a Super finals series. In years to come you could have 3 groups.
Two groups brings back the tribal equation to Sydney (did it ever go) just fades when you play out of towners. However you can't have 9 teams in the outer group - it has to be even or a bye comes in. So you have to introduce 1 Team or 3 teams. NZ2, England and Pacific Islands are my three. Much more viable than Perth, Central Coast or QLD3\. Maybe in later years for them.
This also solves the problem of Broncos being on TV every Friday night (favouritism).
That is not on.
Sure they'll come up with some hair brained idea, Richo has a number of axes to grind and we are one of them.
Not sure from memory now but think it was cqTiger who said they have a number of problems to solve before they worry about this. Spot on.
GNR4LIFE
Well-known member
@Geo. said:
I think that says more about the salary cap than anything else.
happy_tiger
Well-known member
@Geo. said:
But that is controlled by salary cap Geo
I think there are some markets that remain untested that would be successful
Ipswich ,PNG,Darwin or a second NZ side have to be seriously considered
I still think clubs need to meet certain criteria every season to prove their viability every season
gallagher
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Well, weve been warned. Lets hope we get our house in order this time around.
@happy tiger said:
Arrrgh..you seem to be still missing the point…
There are 16 current teams with say a squad of 30 that's 480 players roughly you add in expansion that's another 90 players.... paying them more won't make them better players....Where is the QUALITY going to come from?...it would become an even less level Playing field than it is now with the 'Haves' getting stronger and the 'have nots' even further in the dunny....
Besides Smith has been on record numerous times saying the support of existing Clubs is essential before expansion will be looked at...
Tigers rate well on fox an ch9 I believe. If that's the case they won't move them. Any changes will be for ratings and TV rights increase at the next rpund of negotiations.
If anyone has access I ratings numbers it would be good to see how they pan out
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Masterton
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@cunno said:
IMHO, it would have been better to merge Sharks and Saints back in the day and leave Illawarra alone.
The biggest things working in our favour are our TV pulling power and the threat of our fans deserting to GWS.
mark my words, no sydney team will be culled in the next 5 years (probably ever).
the NRL will expand by 2 teams most likely, in 2018\. QLD and Perth are the top contenders.
the NRL will reduce number of rounds to around 20, say 17 games against 18 all 18 teams and then 3 local derby matches. could potentially be up to 22 games a season but 20 games with 18 teams gives 180 games versus 192 at the moment, not a large decrease.
for more detail see Shane Richardson: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/phil-rothfield-speaks-with-head-of-strategy-shane-richardson-about-the-future-of-the-nrl/story-fnp0lyn3-1227211006949?nk=d6dced84a01d827d28f7b760e9782712
the NRL will expand by 2 teams most likely, in 2018\. QLD and Perth are the top contenders.
the NRL will reduce number of rounds to around 20, say 17 games against 18 all 18 teams and then 3 local derby matches. could potentially be up to 22 games a season but 20 games with 18 teams gives 180 games versus 192 at the moment, not a large decrease.
for more detail see Shane Richardson: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/phil-rothfield-speaks-with-head-of-strategy-shane-richardson-about-the-future-of-the-nrl/story-fnp0lyn3-1227211006949?nk=d6dced84a01d827d28f7b760e9782712
happy_tiger
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@Geo. said:
It happening at the moment Geo , the rich get richer , the poor get poorer
Financially and playing strength wise we are in the bottom 4 clubs
If we can't improve both on and off field , do we really deserve to stay ??
Currently we are basically making up the numbers
It is sad , but it is true unfortunately
Tigertigertiger
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Merge parra and penrith
Move cronulla to Perth
Move cronulla to Perth
@happy tiger said:
You are viewing from a Wests Tigers point of view…......You still haven't answered my question of were the QUALITY of players are going to come from in an EXPANDED Competition.....which I believe this topic is about....BIG PICTURE
happy_tiger
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@Geo. said:
Sorry mate , couldn't care what happens to the other 15 clubs to be honest , move the Titans to Siberia for all I care
If Richardson reduces the amounts of games you can reduce playing rosters and we could attract ex NRL players in the ESL players back to Australia and attract some actual English players with the extra funds in teams salary caps , only problem is our $ not worth what it was 2-3 seasons ago
My point is if two clubs were to be merged or made extinct , we would be high on the list at the moment
simonthetiger
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Gee there are some hearltess gits on here..
I wouldnt wish anyone losing their team or having to merge.
if they wanna expand ,expand.
no more cuts,we have already taken that hit,
I wouldnt wish anyone losing their team or having to merge.
if they wanna expand ,expand.
no more cuts,we have already taken that hit,
