Number of new rule changes

softlaw

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Sounds good. On field refs to take more responsibility with tries, trialling captains challenge in all televised U20's games, no more greg inglis SoO farces and the expected definition of shoulder charges (ie. it's OK to make contact first with the shoulder as long as you are actually attempting to use your arms in the tackle)

ON-FIELD referees will be required to make a decision on a try-scoring situation before referring it to the video referee in one of several significant changes made by the ARL Commission for next season.

The ARLC held its final meeting of the year on Tuesday, deciding to scrap the benefit-of-the-doubt rule and put more onus on the on-field referees to make decisions.

A new rule tightening State of Origin eligibility criteria was introduced, while the shoulder charge will no longer be automatically referred to the judiciary panel.

But the most significant change to come out of the meeting will affect both the on-field and video referees. From the start of the upcoming season, on-field referees will be obliged to make a decision on whether they believe a try has been scored or not.
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Having made a call, if they have any reservations, they will call time-out and request the services of the video referee. The video ref will only be able to overturn the original decision if there is substantial evidence showing the wrong call was made.

The benefit of the doubt and ref's call laws have both been removed from the game, leaving the video referee with the sole purpose of finding substantial evidence to rule against the decision, rather than trying to make a decision. The video referee's verdict will still be shown on the big screen.

The decision to alter the role of video referees is among recommendations put forward by the NRL general manager of football operations, Nathan McGuirk, after consultation with NRL referees elite performance manager Daniel Anderson and the NRL competition committee, which comprises Wayne Bennett, Tim Sheens, Darren Lockyer, Ivan Cleary, Andrew Ryan, Laurie Daley and John Lang.

State of Origin eligibility criteria, which became a topic of huge debate this year, has been resolved. From next season, no player will be eligible to play for NSW or Queensland unless he has lived in that state before the age of thirteen, or unless he is the son of an Origin player. That player must also be eligible to play for Australia.

Bennett, a former Maroons and Kangaroos coach, said tightening Origin eligibility rules would protect the fabric of the iconic series.

''It's important that we all understand what makes Origin so great,'' he told Fairfax Media on Tuesday night.

''It's what we've all bought into and believed - state against state, mate against mate - so if that's our belief, then it's important there is some basis around that.

''The reason it is what it is … if we don't preserve that, and all of a sudden in a decade's time, we have a lot of people playing in those teams that have no roots in the states, then all the things that have made it great and as popular as it is just aren't going to be there any more.

''It's the only genuine interstate competition left in any of the football codes at all now. When kids sign their registration forms now, they will get a copy of it, so every parent of every kid playing rugby league in Australia will know what the State of Origin eligibility rules are.''

There was also an approval of the amended rules that provides a definition of the outlawed shoulder charge tackle which states: ''Where a defender, without attempting to tackle, grab or hold the ball-carrier [or any opposing player] using the arms or hands, makes direct physical contact using the shoulder or the upper arm [tucked into the side].''

Players will no longer be automatically referred to the judiciary panel for illegal contact from shoulder charges and will face varying penalties.

The NRL judiciary code will range from a base of 200 points (two-game suspension) for a grade one charge, increasing to 800 points (eight-game suspension) for a grade five charge.

A captain's challenge system will be trialled in each televised game of the under-20s competition. A second referee will also be introduced for these games.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/no-doubt-as-rule-scrapped-20121218-2blid.html#ixzz2FRYcl36X
 
lol… You NSW folk are quick to forget you now have more imports in your team than Qld!

96 - This will be from 2013 onward for any new eligible players for SOO. - I think this will rule out Papali playing for Qld now.

Personally, I am really happy this has happened. It was becoming a blight on SOO and it is something I feel very strongly about. If you lived in Queensland as a kid and your parents decided to move to Mexico, you can still represent your state of birth... This means Kiwi's are Kiwis; Qld's are Legends and NSW Monkeys are always NSW Monkeys!
 
Getting rid of benefit of the doubt is just going to make it worse

They will spend half an hour looking at 22 different angles trying to decide whether it was a try or no try

You watch , clubs will instruct players to pile on whenever there might be a tight or tough call for the video ref
 
I think its a step in the right direction for the tries and video ref. What isn't clear to me though is if the on field ref makes his opinion/call public before calling for the video ref.
 
I read it as the Ref makes his call before going upstairs. If the Video ref can't make a call then it reverts back to the on field refs decision.
 
@T-D-C said:
I read it as the Ref makes his call before going upstairs. If the Video ref can't make a call then it reverts back to the on field refs decision.

It's actually stricter than that - unless the video ref can clearly see (ie. there is 'substantial evidence') that the on-field ref made the wrong decision then the on-field decision stands. In other words - on-field ref makes an immediate decision. IF he feels his decision may be wrong he sends it upstairs. His decision stands unless the video clearly shows the decision is wrong, hopefully meaning that it's obvious after 1 or 2 replays. ie. benefit of any doubt goes to the refs original call - move on.

(Although I completely agree that it should be the on-field ref looking at the replay. This is a good start though.)
 
@Tiger Watto said:
If the Referee has an opinion, he should be the one looking at the replay!

All tries go to video ref or none go

Simple

If the video referee can't decide he calls the referee to look at a sideline monitor and then he makes his call (Much like the NFL)

I DO NOT want the referee saying to the video ref what he thinks before he goes upstairs
 
The video system is now very similar to that of the NFL which works really well.

Setting the standard set of enough evidence to overturn the onfield decision narrows the grey areas, within this system the Captains challenge concept could also work. It really wouldn't take any longer then we currently do either
 
@smeghead said:
The video system is now very similar to that of the NFL which works really well.

Setting the standard set of enough evidence to overturn the onfield decision narrows the grey areas, within this system the Captains challenge concept could also work. It really wouldn't take any longer then we currently do either

Yeah like the captains challenge idea can work

I like the idea that if you can't tell whether it is or isn't a try the defensive team get rewarded as well Smeg

If there is one thing we know you can't win a game solely with attack or defence

Also would like to try and eradicate kicking the ball dead by bringing the ball out 35 metres out and starting from zero tackle if this occurs acidently or on purpose
 
@happy tiger said:
Also would like to try and eradicate kicking the ball dead by bringing the ball out 35 metres out and starting from zero tackle if this occurs acidently or on purpose

The game is too fast now… This would only speed it up further.

But at the same time, I'd like to see the Interchange either decreased or reduced. Maybe have 2 Interchange and 2 Reserves? I want to allow Halves to be Halves again... Fatigue is a beautiful thing on a Rugby League Field!
 
@Tiger Watto said:
@happy tiger said:
Also would like to try and eradicate kicking the ball dead by bringing the ball out 35 metres out and starting from zero tackle if this occurs acidently or on purpose

The game is too fast now… This would only speed it up further.

But at the same time, I'd like to see the Interchange either decreased or reduced. Maybe have 2 Interchange and 2 Reserves? I want to allow Halves to be Halves again... Fatigue is a beautiful thing on a Rugby League Field!

Wouldn't you prefer to get away from teams purposely kicking the ball dead when they play against Barba or Slater or setting 5 up to kick for chasers

Also would prefer to see if you defuse a bomb in the field of play you get automatic 22 tape

Players should get rewards for defusing bombs in this day and age

Agree with the interchange back to 6 interchange with 1 permanent replacement if you get a serious injury Its alright to see 6 different forwards run at the little defensively inept halves ,how about we see the halves get to run at the forwards and out-manouvre them
 
@Tiger Watto said:
If the Referee has an opinion, he should be the one looking at the replay!

Exactly…...yits a no brainer

You watch , clubs will instruct players to pile on whenever there might be a tight or tough call for the video ref

Huh?
 
@innsaneink said:
@Tiger Watto said:
If the Referee has an opinion, he should be the one looking at the replay!

Exactly…...yits a no brainer

You watch , clubs will instruct players to pile on whenever there might be a tight or tough call for the video ref

Huh?

Give you an example Ink

Robbie burrows over from dummy half

Without benefit of the doubt the idea will be to get lots of defenders to obscure any camera angles which will cause doubt and no try if they can't get a good camera angle

Same page now Ink
 
The video ref will now work in a similar way to how it does in cricket. The referee makes a call (however unlike cricket he will refer it himself if he is unsure), the video ref will look at it, and if they can disprove the referee's original call then it is overturned. I will wait and see how it works before I bag or praise it, they had to do something so lets see how it goes.

The origin eligibility change is long overdue, it was getting ridiculous.
 
@happy tiger said:
@innsaneink said:
@Tiger Watto said:
If the Referee has an opinion, he should be the one looking at the replay!

Exactly…...yits a no brainer

You watch , clubs will instruct players to pile on whenever there might be a tight or tough call for the video ref

Huh?

Give you an example Ink

Robbie burrows over from dummy half

Without benefit of the doubt the idea will be to get lots of defenders to obscure any camera angles which will cause doubt and no try if they can't get a good camera angle

Same page now Ink

LOL…vivid imagination...hahaha

ON-FIELD referees will be **required to make a decision on a try-scoring situation <big>before</bigreferring** it to the video referee in one of several significant changes made by the ARL Commission for next season.
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Having made a call, if they have any reservations, they will call time-out and request the services of the video referee. The video ref will only be able to overturn the original decision if there is substantial evidence showing the wrong call was made.

Sorta makes your scenario a bit fanciful
 
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