Officials Bias
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hank37w
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As much as I am into match officials regularly duding us, I think that one was a reasonable call because on initial viewing that tackle did not look good.
Having a closer look at it on the TV replay (and I haven't viewed it again since), one of the tackled players legs gets lifted fairly high making it look much worse than what it really was but his body and other leg don't actually go much beyond the horizontal and stay pretty much parallel to the ground.
Only my opinion and I'm sure some will agree and others may not.
Having a closer look at it on the TV replay (and I haven't viewed it again since), one of the tackled players legs gets lifted fairly high making it look much worse than what it really was but his body and other leg don't actually go much beyond the horizontal and stay pretty much parallel to the ground.
Only my opinion and I'm sure some will agree and others may not.
Buttface
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All refs are Bias I grew up with them.
Most don't mean to cheat, they are just subconsciously bias.
Check out the link, i hope I pasted it correctly.
There are a few studies on this.
The MLB did one on refs being bias against colour and no surprises there.
www.frontiersin.org
Most don't mean to cheat, they are just subconsciously bias.
Check out the link, i hope I pasted it correctly.
There are a few studies on this.
The MLB did one on refs being bias against colour and no surprises there.
Frontiers | Referee Bias in Professional Football: Favoritism Toward Successful Teams in Potential Penalty Situations
Past studies have indicated that multiple factors may influence sport referees’ decisions, such as pressure from spectators and athletes’ reputation. Grounde...
www.frontiersin.org
innsaneink
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Refs are biased
supercoach
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Refs are coached on individual players and what to look for. So rather than have a totally clear mind they go into matches they are looking for a reason to ping a club or a player and 99 times out of 100 it’s the weaker club.
Take not going upstairs for a review, the ref has decided no they could not have scored, but say it was the Chooks, he thinks maybe they have scored their a good side, so he goes upstairs.
Not calling them cheats but they need to ref with a totally open mind, sadly for the likes of Sutton x 2 and that guy we had last week it’s never going to happen
Take not going upstairs for a review, the ref has decided no they could not have scored, but say it was the Chooks, he thinks maybe they have scored their a good side, so he goes upstairs.
Not calling them cheats but they need to ref with a totally open mind, sadly for the likes of Sutton x 2 and that guy we had last week it’s never going to happen
That is only part of the problem imo,the other issue is that referees who go against the unofficial bias (Cechin for arguments sake) get shuffled down the order and are overlooked for top games.Favouritism is rife from the people who make the appointments and the less said about the MRC the better because the inconsistencies there defy all logic.
twentyforty
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I would like to see complete statistics on captains challenges. How many times has a challenge been successful? And how many of those successful challenges are attributable to a bottom of the ladder side?
Why does the nrl not include this sort of info in the statistical reports?
Why does the nrl not include this sort of info in the statistical reports?
Yes it has but i feel it is getting more widespread and more blatant.When i started folloeing the Tigers back in the 60s it was only an occasional referee now it seems to be accross the ranks.It does not just apply to us but all the teams the refs believe should lose
Difference these days compared to 60s is Tv.
Also think commentary on tv back in the day before all this 24 hour news cycle they wouldn’t go on the whole game complaining about decisions . They just called the game .
No video refs to slow down decisions etc
supercoach
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Agreed, I know Sutton seems to have a lot of challenges go against him and he is our so called top ref. As you said it would be interesting to see the stats and who gets the calls
twentyforty
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I think you’ve given a very good example of why we don’t see those stats. I realise refs need to be protected, however, since the NRL and Fox decided to improve their control of a game beyond simply officiating, they will come under more scrutiny.
Surely Buzz or Kenty would have found time to extract those stats?
Go_You_Good_Things
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The answer is, and has been for a long time . . . Shyte teams do not matter. Todd was 100% right, and I'm amazed that anyone thinks differently.
Refs are human (well, the good ones are) and are prone to the same emotions as us. While most aim to be impartial, it doesn't always turn out that way.
My son refs soccer at a reasonable level. A few years back, he did a game that had a team made up of Corica, Popovich, Aloisi, and a few other ex-socceroos. He even took a screen shot of the team sheet and sent it to me(as most 21 yr olds would have !).
My young bloke is a very fair and unbiased ref, but I'm thinking the other poor team wouldn't have got many 50/50s that day !
I'd love to sit down with the ref's director and slo-mo analyse a WT game, then say a Storm game, and note the differences.
A ref doesn't want Bellamy livid in the presser with his performance. And you can't be upsetting Robbo or Wayne, can you ?
Off topic . . . funny how Bellamy screams like an apoplectic lunatic, yet the commentators are all "oops, there he goes again !". When Madge scream like half the lunatic of Bellamy, all you hear for months is that Madge is too hard on his players, and really needs to calm down.
Back on topic, shyte teams do not matter.
Refs are human (well, the good ones are) and are prone to the same emotions as us. While most aim to be impartial, it doesn't always turn out that way.
My son refs soccer at a reasonable level. A few years back, he did a game that had a team made up of Corica, Popovich, Aloisi, and a few other ex-socceroos. He even took a screen shot of the team sheet and sent it to me(as most 21 yr olds would have !).
My young bloke is a very fair and unbiased ref, but I'm thinking the other poor team wouldn't have got many 50/50s that day !
I'd love to sit down with the ref's director and slo-mo analyse a WT game, then say a Storm game, and note the differences.
A ref doesn't want Bellamy livid in the presser with his performance. And you can't be upsetting Robbo or Wayne, can you ?
Off topic . . . funny how Bellamy screams like an apoplectic lunatic, yet the commentators are all "oops, there he goes again !". When Madge scream like half the lunatic of Bellamy, all you hear for months is that Madge is too hard on his players, and really needs to calm down.
Back on topic, shyte teams do not matter.
bathursttiger1
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From Fox sport, Quoting Gus on 100% footy.
It’s an opinion which resonated with Channel 9 commentator and Bulldogs general manager of football Phil Gould, who agreed with the Cowboys mentor.
“I know a coach, and I spoke about this last week, but I know a coach from one of the lower sides who actually rang (NRL head of football) Graham Annesley one day and just said we don’t get the rub of the green,” Gould told Channel 9’s 100% Footy.
“Graham Annesley in his own words said that there is an intrinsic bias towards the better teams. There is an intrinsic, nitpicking of the lower teams.
“If you think about penalty blitzes we’ve had over the years, we can go for the first 10 weeks of the competition and have 25-30 penalties a game and they’re blitzing on everything. We get to the Origin and they have five or six penalties and it’s a 10 times better game.
“Their excuse is, ‘Well they’re better players, they don’t cheat’. Well of course they cheat, but that’s their excuse to stop the penalty blitz.
“What I’m saying is there is an intrinsic thing that the battling team or the lower team is doing something illegal to bring the top team back to the field. And he (Annesley) admitted it.”
It’s an opinion which resonated with Channel 9 commentator and Bulldogs general manager of football Phil Gould, who agreed with the Cowboys mentor.
“I know a coach, and I spoke about this last week, but I know a coach from one of the lower sides who actually rang (NRL head of football) Graham Annesley one day and just said we don’t get the rub of the green,” Gould told Channel 9’s 100% Footy.
“Graham Annesley in his own words said that there is an intrinsic bias towards the better teams. There is an intrinsic, nitpicking of the lower teams.
“If you think about penalty blitzes we’ve had over the years, we can go for the first 10 weeks of the competition and have 25-30 penalties a game and they’re blitzing on everything. We get to the Origin and they have five or six penalties and it’s a 10 times better game.
“Their excuse is, ‘Well they’re better players, they don’t cheat’. Well of course they cheat, but that’s their excuse to stop the penalty blitz.
“What I’m saying is there is an intrinsic thing that the battling team or the lower team is doing something illegal to bring the top team back to the field. And he (Annesley) admitted it.”
Where there is a Sutoooon involved there will always be Bias..
supercoach
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The biggest problem is Annesley. He seems like he answers to nobody and both the Peter V and the CEO have Given him total freedom to do as he please. He was Greenberg’s partner in crime, so maybe he white anted Toddy in return for his job with zero interference from above
twentyforty
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To be bias in decision making is to be human.
To be continually unbiased is to be a machine.
To be continually unbiased is to be a machine.
jrtiger
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we've been on the end of some rough calls, like any other team. what I will say though is the past two weeks we have been well and truly dudded. Madge and Sheens need to tell Annesley that Grant Atkins should be nowhere near a Wests Tigers game. the bloke seems to dud us everytime he refs us.
Fade.To.Black
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Conversely: if some teams get dudded once it's a coincidence.
When some teams get dudded repeatedly it's deliberate.
WT and Canterbury are the clubs that get dudded consistently. It's a disgrace, nothing 'human error' about it.
