Our membership could triple

Mccarry

Well-known member
West Tigers Membership needs to be re-focused

A membership of Wests Tigers is a different product to a seating package. This seems like a minor issue, though please bare with me as I get this off my chest.

The two products are very different. Lets start by defining each.

A membership of the club is where a person decides that they want to be part of the West Tigers. This is beyond merely consuming and enjoying the end product (the game). It is a person who decides to be part of the team. Sure, they are not deciding to be the captain of the team, nor even the trainer or office staff. They are deciding to invest in becoming a part time marketer, part-time forum browser, part-time channel 9 watcher, part time Telegraph curser and part time football debater.

A seating package is the upfront bulk purchase of a spot in a stadium to watch in person your beloved WT's play NRL.

The two are different. They should be sold separately. There is far more potential growth members than attendees

The purchase decision on these two products is vastly different. The drivers are different. Marketing to both is confusing and lacks the skill of a targeted marketing message. The 'line that divides was closer to the right message', though it was garbled due to the implication that unless you wanted a seating package you were on the wrong side of the line.

Changing perspective for a second, lets consider our consumer. The major drivers that are changing consumer behaviour are commonly called 'mega trends'. One of the mega trends in Australia is "People have less time". TV audience growth shows that consumers of the product are growing faster in absolute numbers than crowds (over a 5 year period). Is it possible that people don't have enough time to commit to 4 -8 half days 6 months in advance? Could these consumers still be potential members?

I suggest that these members are in fact the largest segment of the market. There are hundreds of thousands of them.

About 5 years ago a Victorian mate at work asked me if I supported anyone in sport. I proudly said yes, I am a supporter of West Tigers. He then asked 'how do you support?' At the time I wasn't going to games and wasn't a member so I didn't have an answer. He pointed out that in AFL supporters were members. He was genuinely confused with our sport and was offended that people claimed they were supporters when all they were was in fact pretend supporters or at best "fair weather' supporters. In Melbourne if you weren't a member you weren't really a supporter, you were a pretender. After firing him, I slowly accept that he was right. I am now a member. It truly is the line that divides

At the moment we mobilise our TV viewers into being supporters with jersey sales. We change the jersey each year to try to maximise revenue from this stream. People wear the jersey to show they belong. They are showing they are serious fans. They spend $150 plus to show this. We sell 1000's of jersey's. People are willing to pay to belong, Jersey's are proof of it. I would love one of the jersey's to be reserved for members and be consistent for 5 years. It should say where the player name is "WESTS TIGERS MEMBER". It should not say the year. The person would always know if there were a pretender.

Ok, my chest feels lighter and you are all probably bored or have stopped reading by now. In summary

There are 1000's of time poor fans out there
We need to focus the membership campaign around belonging/ being part of the team - not seats
$50 - $100 per year to be a member of West Tigers (no seats) is reasonable
We need to give members something that clearly distinguishes they belong
 
Yep. Agree with everything. So are you saying we should have a membership without any games attached, just a jersey?
 
The biggest issue I have always had with being a ticketed member is it prevents you from sitting with your mates at a game.
 
The Tigers are providing a "Supporters" package next season - it's replacing the "out of towners" and "stripes" packages according to this email that I got a few days ago:

Thank you for making Wests Tigers a part of your life in 2013 as an Out of Towners Member.
Based on your feedback this year, we have reviewed our packages for 2014 and would like to make you aware of some changes for next season.
We understand that the vast majority of Members chose this particular package to show your support of our great Club. However many of you were not able to commit to attending our home games on a regular basis, therefore the inclusion of tickets in your Membership was not always of value to you.
To ensure you receive the best value out of your Membership for the 2014 season we will be combining the Stripes and Out of Towners memberships into one new package: – The Supporters Membership.
Introducing the Supporters Membership
The Supporters Membership will be available for only $50 and includes the following:

A Supporters Kit – Bumper Sticker , Lanyard, Members Exclusive Keyring , Member card and card holder

Member benefits – including priority purchase access for all NRL major events such as State of Origin and Grand Final tickets
Members will receive 10% off Wests Tigers Merchandise throughout the season when shopping on-line, in our GearZone stores and on game day

You will then also have the opportunity to purchase the following Membership add-ons:

Flexi Tickets - 2 x Flexi tickets for $25 which can then be used at any of our home games throughout the 2014 season

Members only Merchandise Pack – includes a Members Polo and Scarf for $35

Members only Flat Brim Cap - $20

What does this mean for you ?

Your Out of Towners Membership will automatically roll into a Supporters Membership for 2014\. When you log into the Membership portal this package will appear in your profile and you can simply click on “renew” and follow the steps to process the package.
If you are interested in looking at alternative options, please keep an eye on your INBOX as we will be sending out more information on our full range of 2014 Membership packages over the coming week.
Stay tuned for more information on our 2014 ON-SALE DATE.
Wests Tigers IT’S MY LIFE!– MAKE IT PART OF YOURS IN 2014!
 
@pHyR3 said:
Yep. Agree with everything. So are you saying we should have a membership without any games attached, just a jersey?

I am saying that membership would be the base product. Membership is belonging.

You could extend membership with a seating package (probably early in the new year), though I am emphasising that this needs to be marketed separately. We need to capitalise on the largest segment of the market and ensure selling seats does not prevent these consumers becoming members.

The Jersey is just one idea to allow 'the line that divides' to be obvious. It is the Hells Angels motor cycle jacket. That jacket leaves no misconceptions of belonging. We need something like this.
 
@softlaw said:
The Tigers are providing a "Supporters" package next season - it's replacing the "out of towners" and "stripes" packages according to this email that I got a few days ago:

Thank you for making Wests Tigers a part of your life in 2013 as an Out of Towners Member.
Based on your feedback this year, we have reviewed our packages for 2014 and would like to make you aware of some changes for next season.
We understand that the vast majority of Members chose this particular package to show your support of our great Club. However many of you were not able to commit to attending our home games on a regular basis, therefore the inclusion of tickets in your Membership was not always of value to you.
To ensure you receive the best value out of your Membership for the 2014 season we will be combining the Stripes and Out of Towners memberships into one new package: – The Supporters Membership.
Introducing the Supporters Membership
The Supporters Membership will be available for only $50 and includes the following:

A Supporters Kit – Bumper Sticker , Lanyard, Members Exclusive Keyring , Member card and card holder

Member benefits – including priority purchase access for all NRL major events such as State of Origin and Grand Final tickets
Members will receive 10% off Wests Tigers Merchandise throughout the season when shopping on-line, in our GearZone stores and on game day

You will then also have the opportunity to purchase the following Membership add-ons:

Flexi Tickets - 2 x Flexi tickets for $25 which can then be used at any of our home games throughout the 2014 season

Members only Merchandise Pack – includes a Members Polo and Scarf for $35

Members only Flat Brim Cap - $20

What does this mean for you ?

Your Out of Towners Membership will automatically roll into a Supporters Membership for 2014\. When you log into the Membership portal this package will appear in your profile and you can simply click on “renew” and follow the steps to process the package.
If you are interested in looking at alternative options, please keep an eye on your INBOX as we will be sending out more information on our full range of 2014 Membership packages over the coming week.
Stay tuned for more information on our 2014 ON-SALE DATE.
Wests Tigers IT’S MY LIFE!– MAKE IT PART OF YOURS IN 2014!

Yes, this is better. It is hidden in the packages though. It should be the first and only offer right now. We should aim for 30K of these memberships. The AFL often get in excess of 50K members! Once again the message is what you get. The gear, the access. Lets be clear, your primary driver is probably wanting to support your club! The way we communicate has conditioned to check what you get in gear. If they said you get nothing, but every cent of the $50 went to building better playing facilities or funding a 1/2's coach, you would jump at it. The product we all want is a winning, successful football team. Selling us bags and junk is just not the point. Buy the show bag if you want more hats etc! Membership is not supporters gear.
 
totally agree. there are so many people that just jump on the bandwagon of teams such as the roosters. last year no one was turning up to home games, similar to use this year, and now crowd numbers have almost doubled because they are doing well. But its not just them. The club with the most memberships i think is souths with just over 25k. In AFL the Melbourne Demons have not made the finals for 10 years or something but still have over 30k members. there are only 3 clubs in the afl with under 25k members. compared to the NRL where there are only 2 clubs over it. Dave Smith needs to do something to grow the NRL because atm the AFL is smashing rugby league in crowd attendances and memberships. astonishing numbers if anyone wants to check http://www.aflmembershipnumbers.com
 
@softlaw said:
The Tigers are providing a "Supporters" package next season - it's replacing the "out of towners" and "stripes" packages according to this email that I got a few days ago:

Thank you for making Wests Tigers a part of your life in 2013 as an Out of Towners Member.
Based on your feedback this year, we have reviewed our packages for 2014 and would like to make you aware of some changes for next season.
We understand that the vast majority of Members chose this particular package to show your support of our great Club. However many of you were not able to commit to attending our home games on a regular basis, therefore the inclusion of tickets in your Membership was not always of value to you.
To ensure you receive the best value out of your Membership for the 2014 season we will be combining the Stripes and Out of Towners memberships into one new package: – The Supporters Membership.
Introducing the Supporters Membership
The Supporters Membership will be available for only $50 and includes the following:

A Supporters Kit – Bumper Sticker , Lanyard, Members Exclusive Keyring , Member card and card holder

Member benefits – including priority purchase access for all NRL major events such as State of Origin and Grand Final tickets
Members will receive 10% off Wests Tigers Merchandise throughout the season when shopping on-line, in our GearZone stores and on game day

You will then also have the opportunity to purchase the following Membership add-ons:

Flexi Tickets - 2 x Flexi tickets for $25 which can then be used at any of our home games throughout the 2014 season

Members only Merchandise Pack – includes a Members Polo and Scarf for $35

Members only Flat Brim Cap - $20

What does this mean for you ?

Your Out of Towners Membership will automatically roll into a Supporters Membership for 2014\. When you log into the Membership portal this package will appear in your profile and you can simply click on “renew” and follow the steps to process the package.
If you are interested in looking at alternative options, please keep an eye on your INBOX as we will be sending out more information on our full range of 2014 Membership packages over the coming week.
Stay tuned for more information on our 2014 ON-SALE DATE.
Wests Tigers IT’S MY LIFE!– MAKE IT PART OF YOURS IN 2014!

Thanks for that Softlaw

Much better idea imo

Whats this then . A club listening to the idea of the public 😱pen_mouth: :stuck_out_tongue:
 
Great idea. I would rather have the flexibility of purchasing my tickets at my convenience rather than been committed to a set amount of seats.I know my nieces and nephews missed out this year cause I was committed to a family pass of 4\. This type of membership makes more sence
 
I have been a Wests Magpies/Wests Tigers supporter, since my father took me to games in 1948\. My only “connection” with soccer was to coach my young sons at different times, after doing a junior player’s coaching course back in 1977.

My younger son and my grandson, who are long-time Tiger supporters, are still soccer players and late last year they were speaking, with much enthusiasm, about the Western Sydney Wanderers. They are foundation members of the club and they asked me to come to a home game early in the season, as they had a spare ticket. What a revelation!

As a result I attended most of their home games, the Grand Final, the Socceroos v Iraq and the Manchester United game. My 13 year-old grandson was a ball-boy at all of these matches.

What happened to attract my interest to this degree?

**MARKETING!**

At this stage, the Wanderers have sold all of their 2013-14 home ground tickets, except for some left on the South Terrace of Parramatta Stadium. **This guarantees crowds of about 18,000 minimum to ALL of their home games**. How have they done this?

**MARKETING!**

_**What did FFA do to start the club?**_

_Following the community forums, FFA launched an online survey to decide on various options for the new club. It covered similar aspects of culture, location, team colour and playing style. A final survey was later launched with a specific focus on the clubs colours and name. Options for team colours were Black and Red, Black and White, and Red, White and Black. Options for the team name were Athletic, Wanderers, Wolves, Strikers and Rangers.
The official club name, logo and colours were formally announced on 25 June 2012\. The name Western Sydney Wanderers was officially released, as was the club logo, the home playing strip, the home ground Parramatta Stadium. The name 'Wanderers' had been an overwhelming favourite among fans and community groups, with it also paying homage to the Wanderers, the first registered association football club in Australia, who played in the area in 1880._

They got prospective members and followers involved right from the start by working through the local Junior Soccer Clubs in Western Sydney.

**MARKETING!**

The thing that is missing from the whole of Rugby League in Australia is good marketing. While we continually look towards ex-footballers for management and key employee positions and fail to look for people with the proven, necessary skills, Rugby League will continue to bumble along.

If you are looking for “proof” that Soccer is growing, Manchester City, one of the biggest, richest Clubs, has shown interst in buying the Western Sydney Wanderers from the FFA and the buy price is estimated to be $15 million!
 
We are trying to get people to our games.

The whining about crowds on here is endless.

From what I can see, this just will encourage people to stay home
 
@innsaneink said:
We are trying to get people to our games.

The whining about crowds on here is endless.

From what I can see, this just will encourage people to stay home

I disagree, i reckon this will foster a sense belonging to the cub and fans cross that initial barrier to being a member of Of the club and allow people to actively think about the club and go to the now cheap games I.e. Only 25 dollars for 2 tix.

Maybe they should make purchasing tickets more flexible. So you can get a discounted family ticket too with the supporters package.

Also, whats the point of the separation of CO and LO memberships? Just creates more of a divide imo.
 
@pHyR3 said:
@innsaneink said:
We are trying to get people to our games.

The whining about crowds on here is endless.

From what I can see, this just will encourage people to stay home

I disagree, i reckon this will foster a sense belonging to the cub and fans cross that initial barrier to being a member of Of the club and allow people to actively think about the club and go to the now cheap games I.e. Only 25 dollars for 2 tix.

Maybe they should make purchasing tickets more flexible. So you can get a discounted family ticket too with the supporters package.

Also, whats the point of the separation of CO and LO memberships? Just creates more of a divide imo.

The best thing is a balance between the two ,it,s a great idea just to be a member and support your club nothing wrong with that .then there is the membership to games including seating that's great as well,I also agree with the CO and LO deal it does divide the fan base. We will be going for the membership only as we are staunch supporters of a minimum 8 games at the stadium and 2 & 2 at the other grounds ..will just get GA seating when required this is a Loss off 6 premium season tickets one day the club will make the hard decisions we wish things were different .But all in all the club strategy of packages has changed for the better and good luck to them.
 
Your right first and foremost we should be aiming to become members of the club and aim for in excess of 30 k then there should be the add ons such as season tickets for games merchandise ect ect that's something the AFL do particularly well and we could learn a thing or two off them.
 
Well said Mighty Magpie. Marketing is always minimised when an organisation faces tough times. WT have been in tough times and you can bet our marketing spend is a fraction of the wanders. AJ Car looks to have some talent and the digit investments look good. I can see the old school influence in the current campaign. Mayers first big mistake in my mind. He is focusing on price. Apple never ever ever talk about price. You buy Apple as you believe in what the brand represents. You also get a fun product.

Wests Tigers is a massive brand. It is a far stronger brand that the the Wanderers. The investment of funds that was announced last week should help. The football department clearly needs some money. I believe members would pledge money if they knew it was going to improving facilities. I would stump up some cash. Anyone else?
 
@innsaneink said:
We are trying to get people to our games.

The whining about crowds on here is endless.

From what I can see, this just will encourage people to stay home

people will stay home if we dont perform well.. if we perform well and being a member will mean you get to pay less
 
@MightyMaggy said:
I have been a Wests Magpies/Wests Tigers supporter, since my father took me to games in 1948\. My only “connection” with soccer was to coach my young sons at different times, after doing a junior player’s coaching course back in 1977.

My younger son and my grandson, who are long-time Tiger supporters, are still soccer players and late last year they were speaking, with much enthusiasm, about the Western Sydney Wanderers. They are foundation members of the club and they asked me to come to a home game early in the season, as they had a spare ticket. What a revelation!

As a result I attended most of their home games, the Grand Final, the Socceroos v Iraq and the Manchester United game. My 13 year-old grandson was a ball-boy at all of these matches.

What happened to attract my interest to this degree?

**MARKETING!**

At this stage, the Wanderers have sold all of their 2013-14 home ground tickets, except for some left on the South Terrace of Parramatta Stadium. **This guarantees crowds of about 18,000 minimum to ALL of their home games**. How have they done this?

**MARKETING!**

_**What did FFA do to start the club?**_

_Following the community forums, FFA launched an online survey to decide on various options for the new club. It covered similar aspects of culture, location, team colour and playing style. A final survey was later launched with a specific focus on the clubs colours and name. Options for team colours were Black and Red, Black and White, and Red, White and Black. Options for the team name were Athletic, Wanderers, Wolves, Strikers and Rangers.
The official club name, logo and colours were formally announced on 25 June 2012\. The name Western Sydney Wanderers was officially released, as was the club logo, the home playing strip, the home ground Parramatta Stadium. The name 'Wanderers' had been an overwhelming favourite among fans and community groups, with it also paying homage to the Wanderers, the first registered association football club in Australia, who played in the area in 1880._

They got prospective members and followers involved right from the start by working through the local Junior Soccer Clubs in Western Sydney.

**MARKETING!**

The thing that is missing from the whole of Rugby League in Australia is good marketing. While we continually look towards ex-footballers for management and key employee positions and fail to look for people with the proven, necessary skills, Rugby League will continue to bumble along.

If you are looking for “proof” that Soccer is growing, Manchester City, one of the biggest, richest Clubs, has shown interst in buying the Western Sydney Wanderers from the FFA and the buy price is estimated to be $15 million!

a winning team is what attracted you ,not marketing ….and that's all it will take for the tigers to get back on track ...
 
@1/4 chicken said:
@MightyMaggy said:
I have been a Wests Magpies/Wests Tigers supporter, since my father took me to games in 1948\. My only “connection” with soccer was to coach my young sons at different times, after doing a junior player’s coaching course back in 1977.

My younger son and my grandson, who are long-time Tiger supporters, are still soccer players and late last year they were speaking, with much enthusiasm, about the Western Sydney Wanderers. They are foundation members of the club and they asked me to come to a home game early in the season, as they had a spare ticket. What a revelation!

As a result I attended most of their home games, the Grand Final, the Socceroos v Iraq and the Manchester United game. My 13 year-old grandson was a ball-boy at all of these matches.

What happened to attract my interest to this degree?

**MARKETING!**

At this stage, the Wanderers have sold all of their 2013-14 home ground tickets, except for some left on the South Terrace of Parramatta Stadium. **This guarantees crowds of about 18,000 minimum to ALL of their home games**. How have they done this?

**MARKETING!**

_**What did FFA do to start the club?**_

_Following the community forums, FFA launched an online survey to decide on various options for the new club. It covered similar aspects of culture, location, team colour and playing style. A final survey was later launched with a specific focus on the clubs colours and name. Options for team colours were Black and Red, Black and White, and Red, White and Black. Options for the team name were Athletic, Wanderers, Wolves, Strikers and Rangers.
The official club name, logo and colours were formally announced on 25 June 2012\. The name Western Sydney Wanderers was officially released, as was the club logo, the home playing strip, the home ground Parramatta Stadium. The name 'Wanderers' had been an overwhelming favourite among fans and community groups, with it also paying homage to the Wanderers, the first registered association football club in Australia, who played in the area in 1880._

They got prospective members and followers involved right from the start by working through the local Junior Soccer Clubs in Western Sydney.

**MARKETING!**

The thing that is missing from the whole of Rugby League in Australia is good marketing. While we continually look towards ex-footballers for management and key employee positions and fail to look for people with the proven, necessary skills, Rugby League will continue to bumble along.

If you are looking for “proof” that Soccer is growing, Manchester City, one of the biggest, richest Clubs, has shown interst in buying the Western Sydney Wanderers from the FFA and the buy price is estimated to be $15 million!

a winning team is what attracted you ,not marketing ….and that's all it will take for the tigers to get back on track ...

The biggest reason the Wanderers crowds took off is the RBB. Those fanatical fans have created an atmosphere that I have only ever "consistently" seen in european leagues. Every game is like our semi against St george in 2005 (which is in the top 3 best crowds I've ever been a part of). The RBB coupled with a winning team has been a huge success and I ended up going to 5 games this year for the crowd almost as much as the game. I dream of a day the WT's has a regular crowd that matches the Wanderers!
 

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