Pascoe - No Drug Culture at Wests Tigers...

[TCL]

I think the government needs to own the manufacture and supply and use the proceeds to educate.

People will want to get high and drunk from time to time its human nature.

You want the government to control decriminalization

Like letting the cat look after the fishbowl and the birdcage , no thanks

99% percent off people can control their urges , we need to find a way to detect potential addicts at an early stage and help treat them , not wait until the drug of choice has been ingrained into a cycle of life that is almost impossible to break

Drug dealers get life , no possibility for parole , til they carry you out in a wooden box , life

Lets get tough on this crap

The current method isn't working. The government has to take control. The government in charge is better that the criminals in charge.

People will want to drink and do drugs you can't stop that. People have been getting high for ever. Give them safe avenues to buy and continue to educate and rehabilitate.

Once it is decriminalised the illegal supply will reduce and you can then severely punish the illegal makers and suppliers.

I just think we are kidding ourselves if we think people are going to stop taking, making and selling drugs if we increase the penalties. Look at the USA it didn't work. Now they are trying the controlled way.

Comparing the US to Australia is madness , US population must be nearing 300 million compared to Australia's about 25 million

Also we have no countries that border us , particularly one that is the gateway of the major drug cartels

Our biggest concern with drug importation in the future is the Ghost ships

How Border Control and the AFP plans to tackle this will be the big question

The comparison is one of management not population. We may not have bordering countries but we at at the foot of asian countries which are known producers of opiates. Ghost ships are a genuine concern. And the reason for the concern is that there is a demand.

To think that we just keep chucking people into prisons is madness. Not accepting that imprisoning people will not kerb the demand and manufacture is madness.

Im not sure we are going to agree on this which is ok and I'm not stating categorically that I'm right i just don't think prohibition works.

 

[Tigers17]

Anyone who wants to discredit Justin Pascoe, CEO of The Tigers is either brain dead or been asleep for the last 18 months. Pascoe has been one of very few bright spots the club has had. All I've seen from Pascoe is a determined effort to try to fix a club which has been appallingly administered for a number of years.

 

[innsaneink]

99% percent off people can control their urges , we need to find a way to detect potential addicts at an early stage and help treat them , not wait until the drug of choice has been ingrained into a cycle of life that is almost impossible to break

Detect potential addicts early?
That sounds very tricky.
You can't force help and treatment on someone that needs it if they don't want it… And you certainly can't if they possibly don't need it.
The person with the problem has got to want help for any help to be even remotely possible

 

[happy_tiger]

99% percent off people can control their urges , we need to find a way to detect potential addicts at an early stage and help treat them , not wait until the drug of choice has been ingrained into a cycle of life that is almost impossible to break

Detect potential addicts early?
That sounds very tricky.
You can't force help and treatment on someone that needs it if they don't want it… And you certainly can't if they possibly don't need it.
The person with the problem has got to want help for any help to be even remotely possible

I understand that Ink , but the solution to this problem is tricky at every stage and just gets harder

If we could identify people more prone to become addicts due to lifestyle , genetics , upbringing etc maybe we can stop the cycle even beginning

I've seen it first hand twice now , I died because of a morphine overdose and the other did 7 years for over 80 break and enters

When they are at the last stages its too late , the one that died , the stench of them 3 days before , you could just tell , we had taken them to an island of seclusion for 2 weeks 6 months before , very sad

Your right , you can't help them unless they want to be helped but it will easier before the drug takes control

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

You can however regulate the product to make sure people don't take dodgy recipes.

 

[Tiger4life]

Josh Massoud on the big sports breakfast yesterday reckons 6 players didnt report into the club after the mad monday cruise that Simona was talking about due to "food poisoning ". I definitely think our performance last week was affected by Simona chucking his teammates under a bus to try to take the focus of himself.

 

[innsaneink]

Josh Massoud on the big sports breakfast yesterday reckons 6 players didnt report into the club after the mad monday cruise that Simona was talking about due to "food poisoning ". I definitely think our performance last week was affected by Simona chucking his teammates under a bus to try to take the focus of himself.

This rings a bell… I think it was reported in the media at the time... I don't know why they have to report into the club anyway after mad Monday... Their commitments to the club would be finished

 

[tigerap]

Josh Massoud on the big sports breakfast yesterday reckons 6 players didnt report into the club after the mad monday cruise that Simona was talking about due to "food poisoning ". I definitely think our performance last week was affected by Simona chucking his teammates under a bus to try to take the focus of himself.

Real Dog act by Simona to throw his team "mates" under the bus like he did….clearly he has never walked in other peoples shoes in his life....very self centred and uneducated person....

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Josh Massoud on the big sports breakfast yesterday reckons 6 players didnt report into the club after the mad monday cruise that Simona was talking about due to "food poisoning ". I definitely think our performance last week was affected by Simona chucking his teammates under a bus to try to take the focus of himself.

Real Dog act by Simona to throw his team "mates" under the bus like he did….clearly he has never walked in other peoples shoes in his life....very self centred and uneducated person....

This is the part of the story that wasn't included in the article posted on this thread.

We've been told testers were present that morning at Concord that morning

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/league/a/34656357/7th-tackle-tigers-a-no-show-after-mad-monday-cruise/#page1

 

[DonnyBrasco]

If anyone knows a little about the portugal experiment, the idea of government control isnt so stupid

"Drugs are still illegal in Portugal, drug dealers and traffickers are still sent to jail, and the country has carefully kept itself within the confines of the UN's drug convention system that inform national drug laws. For decades the three treaties were seen as prescribing jail time for users, but experts have long contended — and governments now increasingly recognize — that they give countries wide latitude in how to treat and police users."

https://news.vice.com/article/ungass-portugal-what-happened-after-decriminalization-drugs-weed-to-heroin

 

[Tiger4life]

Josh Massoud on the big sports breakfast yesterday reckons 6 players didnt report into the club after the mad monday cruise that Simona was talking about due to "food poisoning ". I definitely think our performance last week was affected by Simona chucking his teammates under a bus to try to take the focus of himself.

Real Dog act by Simona to throw his team "mates" under the bus like he did….clearly he has never walked in other peoples shoes in his life....very self centred and uneducated person....

This is the part of the story that wasn't included in the article posted on this thread.

We've been told testers were present that morning at Concord that morning

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/league/a/34656357/7th-tackle-tigers-a-no-show-after-mad-monday-cruise/#page1

Its early days but we might be self sabotaging our season already. First Kyle Lovett, then Tim Simona, now the drugs issue, the big 4 four off contract, JT off contract. Will they stay? Will they go? Do they want JT? Does management JT? Are they in talks with other coaches? Starting to sound like Parramatta's season last year when they just couldn't get out of the news.

 

[851]

Josh Massoud on the big sports breakfast yesterday reckons 6 players didnt report into the club after the mad monday cruise that Simona was talking about due to "food poisoning ". I definitely think our performance last week was affected by Simona chucking his teammates under a bus to try to take the focus of himself.

Real Dog act by Simona to throw his team "mates" under the bus like he did….clearly he has never walked in other peoples shoes in his life....very self centred and uneducated person....

This is the part of the story that wasn't included in the article posted on this thread.

We've been told testers were present that morning at Concord that morning

https://au.sports.yahoo.com/league/a/34656357/7th-tackle-tigers-a-no-show-after-mad-monday-cruise/#page1

So it won't be long before the 5 or 6 players who were a no show that day become public knowledge, this could go on a while yet

 

[Tiger4life]

Josh Massoud on the big sports breakfast yesterday reckons 6 players didnt report into the club after the mad monday cruise that Simona was talking about due to "food poisoning ". I definitely think our performance last week was affected by Simona chucking his teammates under a bus to try to take the focus of himself.

This rings a bell… I think it was reported in the media at the time... I don't know why they have to report into the club anyway after mad Monday... Their commitments to the club would be finished

You would think they would still be technically under the club until probably grand final day, but I'm just guessing.

 

[Nucky_Thompson]

I think the government needs to own the manufacture and supply and use the proceeds to educate.

People will want to get high and drunk from time to time its human nature.

It being illegal adds thrill of it too like they think there a bad ads for a night. Maybe that would change if legal

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Yeah make it legal like gambling now there are gambling ads everywhere and next Hi as Rocket Cocaine Co. will be sponsoring the Tigers or someone.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I know a young lady who died by her own hand due to depression and moods of drugs but she was not addicted so I am against party drugs per sec.

A mate due to liver problems from drugs decades ago has shrank to nothing and totally useless though still a youngster relatively speaking (to myself).

And the rest of the community have to pick up all their medical, housing, upkeep bills etc. for decades. Their families have to suffer all their shocking behaviour and abuse.

 

[innsaneink]

It doesn't make sense for testers to be at the club the day after mad Monday if Players weren't required to attend…... And if they were required to attend, then what the hell are they doing snorting coke allegedly the day before?

 

[TCL]

I know a young lady who died by her own hand due to depression and moods of drugs but she was not addicted so I am against party drugs per sec.

A mate due to liver problems from drugs decades ago has shrank to nothing and totally useless though still a youngster relatively speaking (to myself).

And the rest of the community have to pick up all their medical, housing, upkeep bills etc. for decades. Their families have to suffer all their shocking behaviour and abuse.

The same can be said for prescription drugs, alcohol, smoking and gambling yet all of them are legal. You can even throw in other addictions, like spending.

Anything done to excess is going to have an impact.

we already pick up the bill for drug additions but because its done outside the government we technically pay for it 100%. if the government control and tax, then the proceeds will lessen the burden on the tax payer and will limit dodgy supply and reduce some of the impact on the hospital system.

 

[uuem]

The numbers dont add up.
I believe Tim said he and 6 others took coke.
Later its been bought up 6 tigers didnt make next morning back at the club due to supposed food poisoning.
So if true one player ran the gauntlet.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I know a young lady who died by her own hand due to depression and moods of drugs but she was not addicted so I am against party drugs per sec.

A mate due to liver problems from drugs decades ago has shrank to nothing and totally useless though still a youngster relatively speaking (to myself).

And the rest of the community have to pick up all their medical, housing, upkeep bills etc. for decades. Their families have to suffer all their shocking behaviour and abuse.

The same can be said for prescription drugs, alcohol, smoking and gambling yet all of them are legal. You can even throw in other addictions, like spending.

Anything done to excess is going to have an impact.

we already pick up the bill for drug additions but because its done outside the government we technically pay for it 100%. if the government control and tax, then the proceeds will lessen the burden on the tax payer and will limit dodgy supply and reduce some of the impact on the hospital system.

Maybe it is only absolutist me because I (along with many others of course) can remember a time when the only non medical drug under widespread use was alcohol and nicotine. Depression, bi-polar and suicides etc. were so rear almost non-existent! In late nineties I have lived in Cabra and worked in Redfern simultaneously and so had druggies 24/7 so I have lost patience and tolerance.

If an tolerance scheme were to be considered it must have eventual termination of illicit drug usage as it's goal.