Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Cultured_Bogan]

You'd think wrong, never knew my father peanut.

Seeing as you never knew your father, i dont see how you can make comment on the influence a father can have on someones political opinions.

Reading what he said, what I gathered from that was that I think he was referring more to the apathy amongst voters Dermo, not so much a generational indoctrination.

My dads side of the family votes fishers/shooters, mothers side are all staunch ALP, I assess the policies of the candidates in my electorate and make an informed decision weighed on what is best for the country without sending me to the wall in the process and to a lesser extent, whom my vote gives preference to. Very rarely do I vote ALP or LNP. This as a result often sees me castigated in political discussions that arise with family because I choose to make an assessment on who would offer a healthy balance in doing what's best for me and everyone else at the time, and not just voting for one party all my life.

 

[Mighty_Tigers]

Sheens for prime minister. He could change the education minister to health ,health to finance ,finance to education. A bit like he does with the positions in our team . Sheenious loves it but a bit like Gillard is on the nose and out of touch. They need to listen to the people

 

[Balmain_Bobby]

by dermo » Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:47 pm
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Balmain Bobby wrote:You'd think wrong, never knew my father peanut.
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Seeing as you never knew your father, i dont see how you can make comment on the influence a father can have on someones political opinions.

Your not using your brain Dermo, I had a step father, a couple in fact, and I had, and still have a wide circle of friends, and have been in business most of my adult life. I am in my mid 60's and also have been on line since the net started, and in that time, I have met so many people who think, the way I stated. If we all followed what our parents did, even as far as voting, there would be no change. It's up to each of us to formulate our own thoughts, not blindly follow others because it's what they do. Everything in life changes, so to do something because a parent and grandparent did it, is not only stupid, it limits your own capacity to think for yourself.

I have also met many with limited intelligence and cannot work out that it's peoples life experiences which formulate their knowledge and experience, when making comments. :mrgreen:

 

[tomcat]

SENIOR government ministers have privately lashed out at having to make savings in the May Budget to help pay for the $3 billion shortfall in this year's carbon tax compensation bill.

As Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Treasurer Wayne Swan warn of tough measures to return the Budget to surplus, several ministers confirmed that they were being made to help pay for the early rollout of the carbon compensation package in May.

"Everyone is being asked to contribute to pay for this compensation package," one minister said. "But in the process, we are going to hit people even harder."

 

[Balmain_Bobby]

IMHO, the problem we have is that we have two major parties, and the major difference between the two of them is Labor cannot manage money. and the LNC manage it too well.
Labor pollies come from a union background, very few ever come from the business ranks.
LNC pollies are mostly from the business and legal profession, and have a warped view of how little others can live on, so long as they don't have to.
As with Whitlam, who nearly sent us broke, and wanted to borrow money as in the " Kemlani Affair ", the ALP of today is doing the same thing, which is always the result when the ALP spend many years as an opposition.

The good thing with the ALP is they bring pensioners back to poverty level payments, whereas the LNC only pay lip service to it, saying we can't afford it.

The problem with these two parties is they unite when another party is formed that appeals to the masses with popular ( if not unrealistic ) catch cries, and policies. They then combine to get rid of them, as they did with Don Chip and the democrats, and Pauline Hanson with One Nation.

We are stuck with them, and from the next election, you can expect the Greens and Bob Brown will go the way of One Nation and the Democrats. I cant believe Abbott's popularity with the majority of those surveyed, have they forgotten what he did to Pauline Hanson ? using party slush funds to have her thrown in gaol, and still proud of it, despite the fact it cost a lot of tax payer money, and she was proved innocent, and had to be compensated.
How can some people still support Gillard after what she did to Kevin Rudd. Labor has a habit of stabbing each other in the back. Keating did it to Hawke, Hawke did it to Bill Hayden, Graham Richardson did it to everyone, and still is.

Did Costello do it to Howard ? no, and history has shown that JH should of handed down the reigns two years before and the Libs would have had a 5th term, but then ego and stupidity affect both parties.

So what we have now, despite all their bleatings about the GFC, which they had to admit, they got wrong, and didn't have to give billions and billions away to Australians, they still want to spend like drunken sailors, despite the fact they will waste 3 billion before they even start to collect the tax which, Abbott has vowed to repeal. Will those who receive the compensation have to pay it back when Abbott does repeal it, or will it be another case of a pollie and a broken promise.

When will we ever find a government who will operate under the basic tennant all business and people should live by, and that is you cannot spend more than you earn.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I would have considered the demise of the Dems as more of an implosion than an assassination.

 

[Balmain_Bobby]

Outwardly it seemed that way, but the party's fortunes hung on Natasha Stott Despoja. The party was being white anted by both ALP and LNP pollies who were friends with Democrat senators. The seeds of miscontent were well and truly sown when Cheryl Kernot defected, and most Democrat Senators were fielding offers to return to the fold, or join Labor.
Kernot's affair with Ellis was the first chink, no leader after that could galvanise the party, although Natasha went close,
Funny how Natasha married a Snr. Liberal Party Advisor.
The evil of Politics is how they combine to hold power when faced with third party opposition.

Given the rise to prominence of the three independents who got to blackmail both parties in order for them to form a minority government, I just cannot make up my mind whether more people will stand as independents in the hope of gaining a position of power, or given the current thinking that the three will be decimated at the next election, will try and gain preselection through the two majors, not risking a voter backlash. Whatever, it's an interesting time. :wink:

 

[Yossarian]

Well if anyone knows about mismanagement, waste, backroom deals, and a lack of democracy, it's the LNP. Good luck Queensland and get those white shoes polished fast!!

You know yoss, WD40 is good at combating those joints that might be a bit rusted on mate…. Just sayin :laughing:

Well you'd certainly know about that :wink:

 

[tomcat]

Ten salient facts about Carbon Dioxide: Repeal Gillards Carbon Tax…

Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide (CO2) makes up about 0.0385% of the Earth’s Atmosphere or 385ppm.
CO2 is a tasteless, odourless, invisible and incombustible gas – all animals including humans exhale it.
97% of Earth's annual production of Carbon Dioxide is almost entirely produced by Nature. Human industry and transport produces the remaining 3% (Refer to Table 3 on page 6).
Australian industry contributes only 1.5% of that remaining 3% or 0.0000173% of Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide or measly 0.173ppm.
Carbon Dioxide Fertilizes plants and increases plant growth. Earths Biosphere is Booming.
Trees grow faster (see Nature).
When Tyrannosaurus Rex ruled the Earth, it was 4 to 7 degrees Celsius warmer and there was more Atmospheric CO2 than today.
Carbon Dioxide is a consequence of temperature .
Warming drives Carbon Dioxide release from the ocean. Thus the 800 year lag time between warming and Carbon Dioxide rise.
Atmospheric water vapour (Dihydrogen Monoxide) is a far stronger "greenhouse gas" than Carbon Dioxide. And it too rises AFTER temperatures warm.

 

[tomcat]

http://youtu.be/BC1l4geSTP8.. comparing carbon tax with rice…must watch..

 

[tomcat]

http://youtu.be/BC1l4 Stop carbon tax ..

 

[Yossarian]

After backreading, I think Swordy may have been alluding to the fact all of those mentioned are members of the Fabian Society, a communist/socialist/Marxist think tank.
Julia Gillard was never elected to be prime minister, nor was the labor party, yet formed government with the help of the independents. Bob Carr has never been elected to the Federal Parliament, yet is now our foreign minister.
He was personally responsible for the bankruptcy of NSW, and the decisions which led to 14 years of debt and mismanagment. He presided over the HIH collapse and in 2002, changed Workcover laws at the behest of Insurance Companies who stated they would go broke covering workers comp, the result was 13 young people suicided in the first six months of the new workcover laws, which had condemed them to a lifetime of poverty with little compensation, or means to live, in fact a weekly allowance less than a pension. The assumption was every injured person was a bludger, and they would be forced to find work or a life of poverty. Of course all Poliies have their magnificient Super package tied up in insurance companies, which is another reason why they have not been forced to account for their shocking behaviour over the QLD floods last year. AFter all of this, how did Carr get a run as FM, he stuffed NSW investement so he purchased properties in NZ as a hedge. I hate him, as I hate all politicians who are simply out to feather their own nests. When not under the spotlight, Gillard and Abbott are friends, as are most of them, it's just a game, one that makes them very rich at our expense.

What a load of dribble… Members of the Fabian Society is the link? Come on mate we're not idiots. He was clearly talking about something else... And suggesting the Fabian Society is communist is just dumb and undermines everything else you write. Does that make the Sydney Institute a fascist think tank? Of course not. And I'd be stunned if Bob Brown was ever a member of the Fabian Society.

The ALP enjoys the confidence of a majority of the MPs in the House of Representatives much like the Conservative Party in the UK and in other countries. Abbott would have done the same thing. Minorities governments aren't new in this country. No PM has ever been elected by the public at large...

Bob Carr was confirmed as a Senator by the NSW Parliament before he became FA Minister. Strictly speaking he could have been FM for 3 months before he became a Senator. Santo Santaro was also a minister, never faced election. It happens, it is constitutional, it is legal...

NSW mostly ran surpluses when Carr was Premier. It maintained a AAA rating. Blaming deaths on him is a cheap shot but if that's the kind of person you are, fine. HIH had nothing to do with Carr. Regulation of financial institutions like HIH is a Commonwealth matter.

 

[Balmain_Bobby]

What a load of dribble…

According to you, a self appointed expert.

And suggesting the Fabian Society is communist is just dumb and undermines everything else you write.

Obviously a member or extreme left wing socialist.

Blaming deaths on him is a cheap shot but if that's the kind of person you are, fine. HIH had nothing to do with Carr. Regulation of financial institutions like HIH is a Commonwealth matter.

Pur bullshit, Bob Carr spoke publicly on TV and stated " There will never be another HIH on my watch "

Of course it would be wrong to blame the deaths of young people on Labor's failed insulation batt scheme wouldn't it ?. One srewed up bunch of socialists who care more about how they, themselves are perceived oversea's where their futures lay after politics. Last nights ACA expose on Christmas Island should tell you something.

 

[Balmain_Bobby]

On June 24th Australia experienced one of its most tumultuous days in federal politics since Gough Whitlam was dismissed by Governor General John Kerr. Only this time it was a Fabian socialist moving into the Prime Minister’s chair, rather than being ejected out of it, that was making all the headlines. Julia Gillard may be Australia’s first female PM but, more importantly, her biography indicates that some of her past associations are even redder than her Prime Ministerial hairdo.
Julia Eileen Gillard was born on 29th September 1961 in Barry, Wales. When Julia was four years old her family (father John, mother Moira and older sister Alison) immigrated to Adelaide, partly because doctors believed the warmer climate would help young Julia recover from bronchopneumonia. In Adelaide she attended Unley High School and then went on to the University of Adelaide. Her father John became an avid supporter of the pink ‘hot-shorts’ wearing Premier of South Australia, the ALP’s Don Dunstan, known for his extreme socially progressive views.
Julia’s political career really began in her University days. After becoming heavily involved in Labor student activism in her second year at Adelaide Uni she then transferred to the University of Melbourne in 1982\. Her prominence within the student-left reached its zenith when she became President of the Australian Union of Students, the umbrella representative group for student politicians around the country. Shortly after this she became Secretary of a far Left-Wing faction called the Socialist Forum which was started as an intra-Labor pressure group in 1984.
**The Socialist Forum from the very beginning attracted dozens of ex-card carrying members of the Communist Party of Australia to its senior ranks** (Julia boasted about this fact in Forum publications) and inherited the CPA Victorian Branch’s bank balance. According to The Making of Julia Gillard, author Jacqueline Kent, “most of the executive members of the Communist Party Victorian branch walked out in 1984 to form the Socialist Forum.” Julia’s pitch to the Forum membership in the mid-1980s was her credentials as ‘a feminist and a socialist’ who was committed to steering the Labor Party towards a more radical policy platform.
Kent’s biography of Gillard includes the Statement of Identity for Gillard’s communist affiliated Forum: “Our commitment to a reshaped socialist objective and strategy arises from our firm belief in the need for a radically different society. We seek a socialist society which includes the realisation of feminist and environmental objectives and which is non-racist…

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[Yossarian]

What a load of dribble…

According to you, a self appointed expert.

And suggesting the Fabian Society is communist is just dumb and undermines everything else you write.

Obviously a member or extreme left wing socialist.

Blaming deaths on him is a cheap shot but if that's the kind of person you are, fine. HIH had nothing to do with Carr. Regulation of financial institutions like HIH is a Commonwealth matter.

Pur s***, Bob Carr spoke publicly on TV and stated " There will never be another HIH on my watch "

Of course it would be wrong to blame the deaths of young people on Labor's failed insulation batt scheme wouldn't it ?. One srewed up bunch of socialists who care more about how they, themselves are perceived oversea's where their futures lay after politics. Last nights ACA expose on Christmas Island should tell you something.

Ah when it gets too hard you play the man not the ball. You make a claims, can't substantiate them, resort to the old name calling game. Nice… Got a source for that quote from Carr?

Now what is it you are upset about? Corporate regulation? Asylum seeker policy? Try to pick a topic and stick to it...

 

[Yossarian]

On June 24th Australia experienced one of its most tumultuous days in federal politics since Gough Whitlam was dismissed by Governor General John Kerr. Only this time it was a Fabian socialist moving into the Prime Minister’s chair, rather than being ejected out of it, that was making all the headlines. Julia Gillard may be Australia’s first female PM but, more importantly, her biography indicates that some of her past associations are even redder than her Prime Ministerial hairdo.
Julia Eileen Gillard was born on 29th September 1961 in Barry, Wales. When Julia was four years old her family (father John, mother Moira and older sister Alison) immigrated to Adelaide, partly because doctors believed the warmer climate would help young Julia recover from bronchopneumonia. In Adelaide she attended Unley High School and then went on to the University of Adelaide. Her father John became an avid supporter of the pink ‘hot-shorts’ wearing Premier of South Australia, the ALP’s Don Dunstan, known for his extreme socially progressive views.
Julia’s political career really began in her University days. After becoming heavily involved in Labor student activism in her second year at Adelaide Uni she then transferred to the University of Melbourne in 1982\. Her prominence within the student-left reached its zenith when she became President of the Australian Union of Students, the umbrella representative group for student politicians around the country. Shortly after this she became Secretary of a far Left-Wing faction called the Socialist Forum which was started as an intra-Labor pressure group in 1984.
**The Socialist Forum from the very beginning attracted dozens of ex-card carrying members of the Communist Party of Australia to its senior ranks** (Julia boasted about this fact in Forum publications) and inherited the CPA Victorian Branch’s bank balance. According to The Making of Julia Gillard, author Jacqueline Kent, “most of the executive members of the Communist Party Victorian branch walked out in 1984 to form the Socialist Forum.” Julia’s pitch to the Forum membership in the mid-1980s was her credentials as ‘a feminist and a socialist’ who was committed to steering the Labor Party towards a more radical policy platform.
Kent’s biography of Gillard includes the Statement of Identity for Gillard’s communist affiliated Forum: “Our commitment to a reshaped socialist objective and strategy arises from our firm belief in the need for a radically different society. We seek a socialist society which includes the realisation of feminist and environmental objectives and which is non-racist…

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Is this a direct lift from somewhere? If so can you list the source? In any case the Socialist Forum mentioned in bold is NOT a reference to the Australian Fabians which was formed in the 1940s and has no direct ALP link. You should have noticed the capital letters… they're talking about a left wing faction involved with the Victorian ALP.

2 different groups champ...

 

[cktiger]

I've read it before , but can't remember the author.

 

[tomcat]

I've read it before , but can't remember the author.

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fli.org.au%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2FJulia.pdf&ei=y0B9T7XtCoipiAfHqPCiCQ&usg=AFQjCNFaYXb-Yh2EPmkp1mdVeyC9OPS8gA&sig2=m-LPXHWPkqk7m6IBhvSaCA

 

[Yossarian]

Oh Family Life Australia!!!

:roll
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Wow I had no idea we were dealing with such a noted political commentary website! So even handed and non-partisan too. No wonder he didn't source it!!!

 

[Balmain_Bobby]

Was more a reference to our Prime Minister, who is also a Fabian, like all previous prime ministers, and many ministers, all from the ALP.
Funny how there is not one single LNP member of the Fabians.

The proof has always been there, along with Branch Stacking, vote rigging, and nepitism which is how the ALP operates.

Wish my Grandfather had the Knife concession for politicians, the amount of back stabbings that goes on is proof of the depravity of politics. Makes no difference, I hate both parties and all pollies. They are all out for themselves, and if in the effort of doing that there is a benefit for Australia, they''ll claim it. Scandal, cover up's all the garbage that goes on, Farrie O'Barrell was going to give " Star City " a wake up call. Craig Thompson spending Union Money on prostitutes, what a bunch of power hungry grubs they are.