Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[earl]

Both sides of politics over there have a lot to answer for not just Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon,the American people elected him now they have elected Biden,hopefully he isnt just a puppet for the lunatic leftys in his command…

Who are these lunatic leftys ? I don't see them. I see one side of politics that is being marginalized via conspiracy theorists and racists.

Don't obfuscate the issue. Biden is acting with class. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has been an unmitigated disaster.

Boris Johnston has spoken out about Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. He is right wing. I want to distance myself and all other right wing people from this crazy lunatic fringe which appears to be gaining too much power in right wing politics.

 

[TillLindemann]

Who are these lunatic leftys ? I don’t see them.

They would be the ones rioting for the last year and the ones making excuses for them.


For most people it seems, a riot is 'peaceful protest' when it's your team, and 'terrorism and treason' when it's the other team.

 

[jadtiger]

Both sides of politics over there have a lot to answer for not just Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon,the American people elected him now they have elected Biden,hopefully he isnt just a puppet for the lunatic leftys in his command…

Who are these lunatic leftys ? I don't see them. I see one side of politics that is being marginalized via conspiracy theorists and racists.

Don't obfuscate the issue. Biden is acting with class. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has been an unmitigated disaster.

Boris Johnston has spoken out about Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. He is right wing. I want to distance myself and all other right wing people from this crazy lunatic fringe which appears to be gaining too much power in right wing politics.

Angela Merkel has also spoken strongly against Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and his fanatics and she is also the leader of a right wing government.The best thing that could happen in the USA would be to see the Repunlican party completely seperate themselves from Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and marginalize him.Undoubtedly it would be short term pain but it would be a long term benefit

 

[TillLindemann]

Unpopular opinion:
I do not agree with the the Capitol protestors message (of course the election was not 'stolen'. Biden won, get over it).
But I completely agree with their right to carry out the protest.
To call it 'terrorism', 'insurrection', 'an attempted coup', or 'treason' is laughable and hysterical.

It was a brief occupation of a symbolic space, which is a time-honoured protest tactic. The Australian parliament has been occupied by protestors numerous times.

The reaction to the protest is far more threatening to democracy and freedom than the protest itself. Because we're now going to see increased crackdowns on legitimate protest, increased political surveillance, increased suppression and distrust of unpopular political opinions...

People cheering these developments on because they're targeted at Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporters, might be shocked in the future when a Dick Cheney-type uses such hysteria about 'terrorism and treason' against them.

 

[TrueTiger]

Both sides of politics over there have a lot to answer for not just Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon,the American people elected him now they have elected Biden,hopefully he isnt just a puppet for the lunatic leftys in his command…

Who are these lunatic leftys ? I don't see them. I see one side of politics that is being marginalized via conspiracy theorists and racists.

Don't obfuscate the issue. Biden is acting with class. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has been an unmitigated disaster.

Boris Johnston has spoken out about Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. He is right wing. I want to distance myself and all other right wing people from this crazy lunatic fringe which appears to be gaining too much power in right wing politics.

I dont obfuscate anything Earl,I have my opinion as do others...when I see innocent people lose their lives through no fault of their own only trying to get on with life,have their business decimated ,idiots screaming to defund the Police,destroying iconic statues and burning flags to prove a point,it seems to me that the country is in ruins...
You may think Biden is classy,but I seem to remember there was an issue with his son and himself concerning certain overseas agendas being investigated...I hope he tries to do the right thing by his country,rather than gaining wealth from other countries while in power,politicians once in power seem to look after themselves rather than the people who elect them..
What Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has done is completely unfathomable,there have also been leaders who have done the unfathomable and cost many young lives...certain wars and riots over the years come to mind...

 

[jadtiger]

Unpopular opinion:
I do not agree with the the Capitol protestors message (of course the election was not 'stolen'. Biden won, get over it).
But I completely agree with their right to carry out the protest.
To call it 'terrorism', 'insurrection', 'an attempted coup', or 'treason' is laughable and hysterical.

It was a brief occupation of a symbolic space, which is a time-honoured protest tactic. The Australian parliament has been occupied by protestors numerous times.

The reaction to the protest is far more threatening to democracy and freedom than the protest itself. Because we're now going to see increased crackdowns on legitimate protest, increased political surveillance, increased suppression and distrust of unpopular political opinions...

People cheering these developments on because they're targeted at Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporters, might be shocked in the future when a Dick Cheney-type uses such hysteria about 'terrorism and treason' against them.

5 people died in that protest,from memory i dont believe anyone has ever died in a protest here at Parliament house.loaded weapons where also confiscated in Washington and 2 PIPE BOMBS placed.That to me is far more than just a "protest"

 

[TillLindemann]

Unpopular opinion:
I do not agree with the the Capitol protestors message (of course the election was not 'stolen'. Biden won, get over it).
But I completely agree with their right to carry out the protest.
To call it 'terrorism', 'insurrection', 'an attempted coup', or 'treason' is laughable and hysterical.

It was a brief occupation of a symbolic space, which is a time-honoured protest tactic. The Australian parliament has been occupied by protestors numerous times.

The reaction to the protest is far more threatening to democracy and freedom than the protest itself. Because we're now going to see increased crackdowns on legitimate protest, increased political surveillance, increased suppression and distrust of unpopular political opinions...

People cheering these developments on because they're targeted at Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporters, might be shocked in the future when a Dick Cheney-type uses such hysteria about 'terrorism and treason' against them.



5 people died in that protest,from memory i dont believe anyone has ever died in a protest here at Parliament house.loaded weapons where also confiscated in Washington and 2 PIPE BOMBS placed.That to me is far more than just a "protest"

Dozens of people died throughout 2020 BLM protests. Whole city blocks were burned down. Businesses destroyed. Police stations were invaded and burnt down. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporters were shot, stabbed, and beaten. This doesn't mean BLM protests are 'terrorism', it means there were violent lunatics at the fringe.

99% of the Capitol crowd were carrying flags, not weapons. If those 99% are charged with terrorism and sedition, we may as well just give up on the right to protest completely.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Who are these lunatic leftys ? I don’t see them.

They would be the ones rioting for the last year and the ones making excuses for them.


For most people it seems, a riot is 'peaceful protest' when it's your team, and 'terrorism and treason' when it's the other team.

Lunatic Left is Bernie Sanders and Harris
Biden is ok it is what control colonel Sanders and Harris get that is the worry

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Unpopular opinion:
I do not agree with the the Capitol protestors message (of course the election was not 'stolen'. Biden won, get over it).
But I completely agree with their right to carry out the protest.
To call it 'terrorism', 'insurrection', 'an attempted coup', or 'treason' is laughable and hysterical.

It was a brief occupation of a symbolic space, which is a time-honoured protest tactic. The Australian parliament has been occupied by protestors numerous times.

The reaction to the protest is far more threatening to democracy and freedom than the protest itself. Because we're now going to see increased crackdowns on legitimate protest, increased political surveillance, increased suppression and distrust of unpopular political opinions...

People cheering these developments on because they're targeted at Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporters, might be shocked in the future when a Dick Cheney-type uses such hysteria about 'terrorism and treason' against them.

spot on good post

 

[jadtiger]

Unpopular opinion:
I do not agree with the the Capitol protestors message (of course the election was not 'stolen'. Biden won, get over it).
But I completely agree with their right to carry out the protest.
To call it 'terrorism', 'insurrection', 'an attempted coup', or 'treason' is laughable and hysterical.

It was a brief occupation of a symbolic space, which is a time-honoured protest tactic. The Australian parliament has been occupied by protestors numerous times.

The reaction to the protest is far more threatening to democracy and freedom than the protest itself. Because we're now going to see increased crackdowns on legitimate protest, increased political surveillance, increased suppression and distrust of unpopular political opinions...

People cheering these developments on because they're targeted at Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporters, might be shocked in the future when a Dick Cheney-type uses such hysteria about 'terrorism and treason' against them.



5 people died in that protest,from memory i dont believe anyone has ever died in a protest here at Parliament house.loaded weapons where also confiscated in Washington and 2 PIPE BOMBS placed.That to me is far more than just a "protest"

Dozens of people died throughout 2020 BLM protests. Whole city blocks were burned down. Businesses destroyed. Police stations were invaded and burnt down. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporters were shot, stabbed, and beaten. This doesn't mean BLM protests are 'terrorism', it means there were violent lunatics at the fringe.

99% of the Capitol crowd were carrying flags, not weapons. If those 99% are charged with terrorism and sedition, we may as well just give up on the right to protest completely.

No doubt there are violent people on both sides and i will never excuse anyome who uses violence to achieve their goals.

 

[Nelson]

Unpopular opinion:
I do not agree with the the Capitol protestors message (of course the election was not 'stolen'. Biden won, get over it).
But I completely agree with their right to carry out the protest.
To call it 'terrorism', 'insurrection', 'an attempted coup', or 'treason' is laughable and hysterical.

It was a brief occupation of a symbolic space, which is a time-honoured protest tactic. The Australian parliament has been occupied by protestors numerous times.

The reaction to the protest is far more threatening to democracy and freedom than the protest itself. Because we're now going to see increased crackdowns on legitimate protest, increased political surveillance, increased suppression and distrust of unpopular political opinions...

People cheering these developments on because they're targeted at Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporters, might be shocked in the future when a Dick Cheney-type uses such hysteria about 'terrorism and treason' against them.

That’s not an opinion, it’s a stupid false equivalence argument. Have armed people stormed Parliament House numerous times? Has their intent been for a leader to illegitimately be installed?

The reaction is because the intent of the protestors was to undermine democracy, how is democracy and freedom “threatened “ by people railing against that?

 

[TrueTiger]

Unpopular opinion:
I do not agree with the the Capitol protestors message (of course the election was not 'stolen'. Biden won, get over it).
But I completely agree with their right to carry out the protest.
To call it 'terrorism', 'insurrection', 'an attempted coup', or 'treason' is laughable and hysterical.

It was a brief occupation of a symbolic space, which is a time-honoured protest tactic. The Australian parliament has been occupied by protestors numerous times.

The reaction to the protest is far more threatening to democracy and freedom than the protest itself. Because we're now going to see increased crackdowns on legitimate protest, increased political surveillance, increased suppression and distrust of unpopular political opinions...

People cheering these developments on because they're targeted at Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporters, might be shocked in the future when a Dick Cheney-type uses such hysteria about 'terrorism and treason' against them.



5 people died in that protest,from memory i dont believe anyone has ever died in a protest here at Parliament house.loaded weapons where also confiscated in Washington and 2 PIPE BOMBS placed.That to me is far more than just a "protest"

Dozens of people died throughout 2020 BLM protests. Whole city blocks were burned down. Businesses destroyed. Police stations were invaded and burnt down. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporters were shot, stabbed, and beaten. This doesn't mean BLM protests are 'terrorism', it means there were violent lunatics at the fringe.

99% of the Capitol crowd were carrying flags, not weapons. If those 99% are charged with terrorism and sedition, we may as well just give up on the right to protest completely.

There's only one person who should be charged and that's Donald Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. And, won't it be a great day when it happens ??!!

Did Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon place the pipe bomb,was Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon carrying a weapon..?..you can hate the bloke as much as you like,Im no fan,but the individuals who were seeking violence or harm should be the ones held responsible,if they are dumb enough to storm a govt building carrying weapons,then they should be made an example of.....let justice prevail along the correct pathway...

 

[Swordy]

For me, the whole capitol building storming and the reasons behind it can be summed up very easily.

I've seen several pictures of people occupying offices, sitting in chairs and sitting in the speakers chair!

If you want to storm parliament or congress or wherever, that's one thing. But occupying these chairs is an absolute gross show of disrespect. If anything, these 'protestors' should have kept the chairs empty as a symbolic show that no-one should occupy them if they were not entitled.

And that to me shows they were just there to cause issues, be violent and carry on like uneducated and disrespectful toss pots.

 

[TillLindemann]

But occupying these chairs is an absolute gross show of disrespect.

Disrespect of politicians is the lifeblood of democracy. It is a wonderful thing.

 

[TrueTiger]

Unpopular opinion:
I do not agree with the the Capitol protestors message (of course the election was not 'stolen'. Biden won, get over it).
But I completely agree with their right to carry out the protest.
To call it 'terrorism', 'insurrection', 'an attempted coup', or 'treason' is laughable and hysterical.

It was a brief occupation of a symbolic space, which is a time-honoured protest tactic. The Australian parliament has been occupied by protestors numerous times.

The reaction to the protest is far more threatening to democracy and freedom than the protest itself. Because we're now going to see increased crackdowns on legitimate protest, increased political surveillance, increased suppression and distrust of unpopular political opinions...

People cheering these developments on because they're targeted at Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporters, might be shocked in the future when a Dick Cheney-type uses such hysteria about 'terrorism and treason' against them.



5 people died in that protest,from memory i dont believe anyone has ever died in a protest here at Parliament house.loaded weapons where also confiscated in Washington and 2 PIPE BOMBS placed.That to me is far more than just a "protest"

Dozens of people died throughout 2020 BLM protests. Whole city blocks were burned down. Businesses destroyed. Police stations were invaded and burnt down. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporters were shot, stabbed, and beaten. This doesn't mean BLM protests are 'terrorism', it means there were violent lunatics at the fringe.

99% of the Capitol crowd were carrying flags, not weapons. If those 99% are charged with terrorism and sedition, we may as well just give up on the right to protest completely.

There's only one person who should be charged and that's Donald Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. And, won't it be a great day when it happens ??!!

Did Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon place the pipe bomb,was Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon carrying a weapon..?..you can hate the bloke as much as you like,Im no fan,but the individuals who were seeking violence or harm should be the ones held responsible,if they are dumb enough to storm a govt building carrying weapons,then they should be made an example of.....let justice prevail along the correct pathway...

Umm...see my previous comment about the rabble of the brainwashed and ignorant. While i wasn't necessarily referring to anyone on here ...... if the cap fits ......

If you look I made my post prior to yours....I wasnt referring to anyone on here either...my point was,I was asking the questions,however,shouldnt the individuals that had weapons be held responsible for their own actions...if people are dumb enough to be led down the road of violence because an individual such as Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon can easily sway them,then they have no respect for themselves or others and deserve what they get...

 

[TillLindemann]

Have armed people stormed Parliament House numerous times?

In 1996 it was, yes, if you consider sledgehammers and the like weapons.

This wasn't an 'armed mob', it was 99% flag bearers, not machine gun bearers.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Unpopular opinion:
I do not agree with the the Capitol protestors message (of course the election was not 'stolen'. Biden won, get over it).
But I completely agree with their right to carry out the protest.
To call it 'terrorism', 'insurrection', 'an attempted coup', or 'treason' is laughable and hysterical.

It was a brief occupation of a symbolic space, which is a time-honoured protest tactic. The Australian parliament has been occupied by protestors numerous times.

The reaction to the protest is far more threatening to democracy and freedom than the protest itself. Because we're now going to see increased crackdowns on legitimate protest, increased political surveillance, increased suppression and distrust of unpopular political opinions...

People cheering these developments on because they're targeted at Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporters, might be shocked in the future when a Dick Cheney-type uses such hysteria about 'terrorism and treason' against them.



5 people died in that protest,from memory i dont believe anyone has ever died in a protest here at Parliament house.loaded weapons where also confiscated in Washington and 2 PIPE BOMBS placed.That to me is far more than just a "protest"

Dozens of people died throughout 2020 BLM protests. Whole city blocks were burned down. Businesses destroyed. Police stations were invaded and burnt down. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporters were shot, stabbed, and beaten. This doesn't mean BLM protests are 'terrorism', it means there were violent lunatics at the fringe.

99% of the Capitol crowd were carrying flags, not weapons. If those 99% are charged with terrorism and sedition, we may as well just give up on the right to protest completely.

There's only one person who should be charged and that's Donald Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. And, won't it be a great day when it happens ??!!

Did Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon place the pipe bomb,was Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon carrying a weapon..?..you can hate the bloke as much as you like,Im no fan,but the individuals who were seeking violence or harm should be the ones held responsible,if they are dumb enough to storm a govt building carrying weapons,then they should be made an example of.....let justice prevail along the correct pathway...

Charles Manson didn’t kill anybody either.