Robert Lui charged with assaulting girlfriend

[Kul]

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I know it's hard, but please keep to the facts otherwise your post will be deleted.

Conclusions drawn from tendered court documents are not facts.

 

[Goose]

a few posts were edited or removed.

I know it's hard, but please keep to the facts otherwise your post will be deleted.

Conclusions drawn from tendered court documents are not facts.

Surely if it is tendered in court and is a matter of public record we are able to say as much??

Has the interview on 2UE been confirmed, where Lui is said to have admitted to aspects of the assault, if so that is enough for me.

 

[Swordy]

Lets not get into a legal minefield. Suffice to say those documents tendered list allegations only that are yet to be proven or disproven.

Evidence given directly by the accused is not complete until they have been examined and cross-examined.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE ONLY…...

Evidence given when questioned:
Q😀id you strike that man with a crowbar?
A:Yes.
No further evidence until he is asked later in the hearing by his defence....
Q: Why did you strike that man with a crowbar?
A: Because he had a gun and was about to pull the trigger to kill an innocent person at a bus stop. It was the only way I could think of to prevent the shooting.

Moral: It's probably safer just to wait until the end.

If he either pleads or is found guilty, then action will take place.
If he is found not guilty, then he is an innocent man and should be treated as such.

Taking action mid way through any matter is dangerous, especially for an employer, and opens them up to all manner of civil action and unfair dismissal proceedings.

In this case, just let the matter take it course to a fair and reasonable end, which will be soon enough.

PS: A lesson that I'm sure we all know, bust just a reminder. Don't believe everything you read, see or hear in the media. As we know, they make the .....(ahem)....occasional mistake.

 

[mike]

These allegations, whilst not tested yet in Court, would be based on the victim's account and any witnesses (if any). If proven to be correct, the behaviour is totally unacceptable.

Totally agree

 

[happy_tiger]

a few posts were edited or removed.

I know it's hard, but please keep to the facts otherwise your post will be deleted.

Conclusions drawn from tendered court documents are not facts.

Can't understand why my comment was deleted Kul ??
Every time I had something that may have been the truth according to the court documents I used the word alledged beforehand
How is it any different from commenting on a news article
What the issue there MOD's ???
Don't worry if I had wrote how I really feel about the subject you would of probably had a good reason to ban me
Not trying to start an argument ,just so I don't do it again ok

 

[tigers05]

some people never learn it sad to see but in the end all they need to do is stop drinking heavily. No sympathy for anyone who allows themselves to get wasted and then have a gut full of courage and end up in trouble. You make a mistake no problem learn from it do it again and you never learn…......no excuses justifies any wrong doing.

As far as I'm concerned if found guilty he SHOULD be punted and deregistered for 2012 in NRL and importantly grow up!!!!

 

[Flippedy]

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some people never learn it sad to see but in the end all they need to do is stop drinking heavily. No sympathy for anyone who allows themselves to get wasted and then have a gut full of courage and end up in trouble. You make a mistake no problem learn from it do it again and you never learn…......no excuses justifies any wrong doing.

As far as I'm concerned if found guilty he SHOULD be punted and deregistered for 2012 in NRL and importantly grow up!!!!

I understand what you're saying Tigers05, but that is a very simplistic solution to a very complex problem. Men who enact violence against women have a far greater underlying problem than merely drinking too heavily. Alcohol will perpetuate the problem for sure, but it is not the real problem in the majority of these cases.

 

[Kul]

I understand happy.
In these messy 50:50 things I just tend towards being cautious. I'll get a mod to review it again and they can un-delete it if they think it's cool

Ps. I personally don't have an issue with what you and others said. If we were chatting in a pub I'd be saying it too. We arnt in a pub though :-/
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[happy_tiger]

I understand happy.
In these messy 50:50 things I just tend towards being cautious. I'll get a mod to review it again and they can un-delete it if they think it's cool

Ps. I personally don't have an issue with what you and others said. If we were chatting in a pub I'd be saying it too. We arnt in a pub though :-/
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Fair enough Kul
Leave it deleted .
I'll be more careful in the future and bite another inch of my tongue

 

[LukeH]

some people never learn it sad to see but in the end all they need to do is stop drinking heavily. No sympathy for anyone who allows themselves to get wasted and then have a gut full of courage and end up in trouble. You make a mistake no problem learn from it do it again and you never learn…......no excuses justifies any wrong doing.

As far as I'm concerned if found guilty he SHOULD be punted and deregistered for 2012 in NRL and importantly grow up!!!!

Not enough. If found guilty he should spend some time in the big house. IMHO

 

[The_Tooth]

I'd like to see how this pans out legally before throwing around suggestions of jail and de-registration.

Whilst Lui should be punished and The Tigers may part ways with him, I just realy worry about his child and partners future.

Jail or de-registration means no income.

I'll support whatever wishes Ms backo expresses and I also support the club in whatever decision they make.

 

[LukeH]

I'd like to see how this pans out legally before throwing around suggestions of jail and de-registration.

Whilst Lui should be punished and The Tigers may part ways with him, I just realy worry about his child and partners future.

Jail or de-registration means no income.

I'll support whatever wishes Ms backo expresses and I also support the club in whatever decision they make.

De-registration doesn't mean no income, it just means he has to go out and find a 9-5 like the people that bought the tickets to watch the games that he plays in.

 

[tigerlogic]

I need to be really careful how I say this, and I am trying….
I am 100% against a female ever being physically hit or attacked or anything like that, I am, however, as the matter is going through courts I can't really say who the source is but was late lastweek told of the truth wot happend that night, the club know the truth, and all I can say is, there is a story in this that will come out, not everything is as simple as it seems, there is a story.......
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[cunno]

Apparently Ms Backo made a complaint to police concerning allegations of assault and she allegedly had physical injuries, it will be interesting to hear what evidence is presented in Court and what, if anything follows.

 

[Montague_Street]

So far no EVIDENCE has been presented on the issue of whether or not the relatively minor charge of AOABH can be proved.
A prosecutor or magistrate quoting from a statement of allegations prepared by arresting or investigating police is not evidence.
Naive statements about what happened are unhelpful, capable of undermining the administration of justice and possibly in breach of the sub judice rule.
Disparaging comments about a defendant in criminal proceedings can be made in pubs but ought not be placed on public record.
Using the word "alleged" to preface such statements is not the antidote.
The Moderators would do well to delete this thread, IMHO.
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[Blackpearl]

So far no EVIDENCE has been presented on the issue of whether or not the relatively minor charge of AOABH can be proved.
A prosecutor or magistrate quoting from a statement of allegations prepared by arresting or investigating police is not evidence.
Naive statements about what happened are unhelpful, capable of undermining the administration of justice and possibly in breach of the sub judice rule.
Disparaging comments about a defendant in criminal proceedings can be made in pubs but ought not be placed on public record.
Using the word "alleged" to preface such statements is not the antidote.
The Moderators would do well to delete this thread, IMHO.
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x 2 …. i reckon enough is enough. no more to say.

 

[TuiTui]

Agreed. no need for this thread, said it ages ago. DELETE.

 

[Kul]

Again, no more "Apparently this…" or "I believe that..." or "if found guilty...." or offering of any legal advice.

The only posts that are acceptable in this thread are posts from media articles (etc.) and discussion that does not make any assumptions beyond proven facts.

 

[Montague_Street]

Well Kul, I suggest you cull the inaccurate posts referring to testimony and Court documents because they refer to things that did not happen.
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[Montague_Street]

Court documents tendered suggest that Lui knocked his girlfriend to the ground, pulled out her hair and kicked her in the head a couple of times. He then threw her out the front door.

Lui stated that he had consumed a number of cases of vodka cruises' over the previous couple of days.

I am not making a judgement one way or the other. Just pointing out what is now on the public record.

:wtf
Nothing is as yet, "on the public record".
There have been no "Court documents tendered".
Courts don't tender documents, litigants do and as yet there has been no hearing.
Consenting without admissions to an interim Domestic Violence Order is neither an admission nor a finding of guilt.