Robert Lui charged with assaulting girlfriend
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I agree with what seems to be the senyiment on here… that if he is proved to have hit his girlfriend then I want him as far away from this club as possible... allow a grubby club such as the cowboys to pick him up (it'll happen... after counselling of course).
Let me state for the record & in the hope wests tigers club take notice... that I DO NOT want a proven woman beater at our club
Let me state for the record & in the hope wests tigers club take notice... that I DO NOT want a proven woman beater at our club
I have been trying to find to pieces of information which are critical to this issue .
- Who called the police
- Did Talea Backo give a statement
Last time….... ( I hate that I know i can say "last time" and everyone will
Know what I'm talking about ) .... Talea Backo did neither , and the charges were subsequently dismissed. It seems more and more like this is how it is going to play out again ?
I'm no social worker , but just from some recent research ( yahoo answers :slight_smile: ) , they say that there is a condition called " battered wife syndrome " . As it goes she would feel complicit in causing the incident and feel the need to protect her partner from persecution.
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- Who called the police
- Did Talea Backo give a statement
Last time….... ( I hate that I know i can say "last time" and everyone will
Know what I'm talking about ) .... Talea Backo did neither , and the charges were subsequently dismissed. It seems more and more like this is how it is going to play out again ?
I'm no social worker , but just from some recent research ( yahoo answers :slight_smile: ) , they say that there is a condition called " battered wife syndrome " . As it goes she would feel complicit in causing the incident and feel the need to protect her partner from persecution.
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Tiger99
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I think everybody needs to settle down. This topic should be locked.
Nobody on here knows the truth so both parties should be respected. Especially from West Tigers Fans.
Nobody on here knows the truth so both parties should be respected. Especially from West Tigers Fans.
GNR4LIFE
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@alien said:
Don't blame the club, he's 21\. Are you saying at 21 you didn't know that it was wrong to get drunk and(allegedly) hit into to your missus? this has nothing to do with leadership or guidence, its about common sense for what is right and wrong
i laugh when i see players doing workshops on how to treat women. Like, seriously you need someone to conduct a class to grown men on how to treat women? :crazy
supercoach
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Like a few others said we dont know the facts and till the matter is delt with by the court system we should be ultra careful what we say. Lui is innocent till the courts say other wise. Okay it has a bad look but at this stage that is all it is
@cktiger said:
Im not forgiving him for allegedly bashing his mrs, you should never hit a woman - however from what I can see here it appears there is a problem with alcahol (which obviously leads to the violence). So lets help him address it, help his wife, help his kid. I don't see any benefit in throwing him to the wolves like has been done with carney.
The difference between Lui and Carney regard help offered from the club (and I'm not saying WT management never offered Lui helping first time this happened) is that Carney has repeatedly refused help or totally disregard the help that is given to him, which cost him his spot at Canberra and the Roosters.
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nadzy77
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I'm sorry there has to be a mix up!! I love rob Lui and ahhhh I dnt think it's true and if so we don't know the details so half the story is prob missing
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Cant believe if this is true that he would do such a thing. When the tigers were in camp in Kiama I took my boys aged 6 and 3 down to watch them train. Got talking to a group of them including Robert Lui. My 6 year old was asked who his favourite players were. He answered Benji, Robbie Farah, Lote, Beau and Robert Lui. The players all had abit of a laugh and then Lui had abit of a kick of the football with him. When they were finished Lui shook my sons hand and proceeded to give him his hat. I was really impressed with his attitude to both my boys but I guess alcohol has different affects on people and brings out a total different person.
Sameulcon, I too hope this isn't true. Unfortunately when alcohol is involved anything like this is possible. However I would hope the Wests Tigers keep him regardless of the outcome in court. Not that I condone this behaviour, but if it is true I'ld hope they offer Lui and his family the support they need and Lui the help he would need.
I'm a big fan of Lui and think he has tremendous talent and I would hate to see him kicked to the curb without first exploring the avenues that can help him.
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I'm a big fan of Lui and think he has tremendous talent and I would hate to see him kicked to the curb without first exploring the avenues that can help him.
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Just logged on to get a view of what the fans are saying..I completely agree with what many of you are saying.To those who are arguing the point of the Tigers club in yesterday's press release, ie "Let's refrain from comment until the legal process has dealt with this matter" - I'm sorry, I disagree.Yes, the charges might be dropped eventually, but this doesn't mean that he didn't do it. "Not Guilty" does not mean "Innocent". To be proven guilty, the court needs to be convinced that you committed the guilty act "Beyond all reasonable doubt".Even if he is not convicted, my point is that he is most likely not innocent.Give him the benefit of the doubt, some people say - Ok, maybe once. But TWICE?He may not be guilty beyond all reasonable doubt in the context of the legal system, but clearly something is not right.Regardless of whether charges are dropped or he is acquitted of the charge, the club needs to take a stance on this matter.The league works very hard to improve its profile in the community with respect to women.To let Lui continue to play even if this second round of charges are dropped would be a slap in the face to the Tigers female fans, and to all female league fans to that matter.I was disgusted to hear this news, and honestly if the club stands by him again and reinstates him in the team, this club will lose a very loyal female fan. And many other loyal female Tigers fans whom I know.But concerningly this now appears to be a repetitive pattern.
I must agree with Tigergirl00\. Their are 2 areas here
Firstly - If charges stick and he is proven guilty in a court then he should and will defiantly be sacked
The second for mine is that if the charges aren't pursued or followed through and hence dropped but the club still know that he did hit his Mrs then the club must take a stand and sack him. If they don't we need no only that he wasn't convicted but we as fans if they don't sack him need an explanation as to what happened.
My girlfriend has come to a few games this year and is considering a membership at my encouragement next year - Lui staying after this incident defiantly put that in doubt and she defiantly as above wouldn't be the only one. One of the joys for me in supporting the Tigers in recent years has been our great image and now twice it has been stained (no matter the outcome) by the behavior of Robert Lui. I was a big supporter of him as a player but as a human being i'm dissapointed
Firstly - If charges stick and he is proven guilty in a court then he should and will defiantly be sacked
The second for mine is that if the charges aren't pursued or followed through and hence dropped but the club still know that he did hit his Mrs then the club must take a stand and sack him. If they don't we need no only that he wasn't convicted but we as fans if they don't sack him need an explanation as to what happened.
My girlfriend has come to a few games this year and is considering a membership at my encouragement next year - Lui staying after this incident defiantly put that in doubt and she defiantly as above wouldn't be the only one. One of the joys for me in supporting the Tigers in recent years has been our great image and now twice it has been stained (no matter the outcome) by the behavior of Robert Lui. I was a big supporter of him as a player but as a human being i'm dissapointed
http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/articles/2011/09/21/lui-should-be-banned/
SHOULD Robert Lui be found guilty of assault next month, he should have played his last game in the NRL.
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With his charge for assault on a female this Tuesday - his second such accusation in 12 months – Lui has all but kicked himself out of the game for good.
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Having interviewed Lui on countless occasions, he has presented as a polite and well spoken young man.
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However it seems clear the man the press and public are privy to, and the man on the drink, are two very separate people.
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Any assault, but particularly on a woman who is the mother of your children, is beyond unacceptable.
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And so if the courts find him guilty, then the NRL needs to also dish out its own justice for the good of the game.
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It has been mentioned more than enough times about the number of chances Todd Carney has been given.
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And while Carney’s problems are serious, and the damage his actions have done significant, they pale in comparison to what Lui has been accused of twice in 12 months.
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It was just September last year when Lui was charged with nine offences related to assaulting his a girlfriend just hours after his team were knocked out of the NRL finals.
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At the time she was pregnant with their first child. The charges were dismissed earlier this year.
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But it would seem Lui obviously didn’t learn from that experience – a new season but same old story.
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Rugby League is a tough sport.
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It is physically and mentally demanding, and in some cases very hard for players to switch off when at home.
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But allegedly laying violent hands on a woman has no justification or explanation worthy of being listened to.
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Tigers CEO Stephen Humphreys admitted the charges against the Queenslander were not a good look, but cautioned against pre-judging Lui, despite his previous arrest for a similar incident.
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"He was cleared of all the charges last year and we have to give him the benefit of the doubt and a clean slate," he said.
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"We have to just wait; Rob has helped police with their inquiries and is following the legal process."
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Fans on Twitter don’t share Humphries’ views - calling for Lui to be axed before he even hits the stands.
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The NRL will wait until the Wests Tigers act after Lui fronts court on October 7 before making a comment on the matter or handing down any type of punishment.
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Should the Tigers devise a worthy enough punishment then it is unlikely the NRL will have to.
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But should he be found guilty the club and the league should tear up his contract and set a precedent that as this behaviour is not acceptable in society, so it should not be tolerated in the game of Rugby League.
SHOULD Robert Lui be found guilty of assault next month, he should have played his last game in the NRL.
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With his charge for assault on a female this Tuesday - his second such accusation in 12 months – Lui has all but kicked himself out of the game for good.
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Having interviewed Lui on countless occasions, he has presented as a polite and well spoken young man.
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However it seems clear the man the press and public are privy to, and the man on the drink, are two very separate people.
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Any assault, but particularly on a woman who is the mother of your children, is beyond unacceptable.
>
And so if the courts find him guilty, then the NRL needs to also dish out its own justice for the good of the game.
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It has been mentioned more than enough times about the number of chances Todd Carney has been given.
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And while Carney’s problems are serious, and the damage his actions have done significant, they pale in comparison to what Lui has been accused of twice in 12 months.
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It was just September last year when Lui was charged with nine offences related to assaulting his a girlfriend just hours after his team were knocked out of the NRL finals.
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At the time she was pregnant with their first child. The charges were dismissed earlier this year.
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But it would seem Lui obviously didn’t learn from that experience – a new season but same old story.
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Rugby League is a tough sport.
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It is physically and mentally demanding, and in some cases very hard for players to switch off when at home.
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But allegedly laying violent hands on a woman has no justification or explanation worthy of being listened to.
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Tigers CEO Stephen Humphreys admitted the charges against the Queenslander were not a good look, but cautioned against pre-judging Lui, despite his previous arrest for a similar incident.
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"He was cleared of all the charges last year and we have to give him the benefit of the doubt and a clean slate," he said.
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"We have to just wait; Rob has helped police with their inquiries and is following the legal process."
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Fans on Twitter don’t share Humphries’ views - calling for Lui to be axed before he even hits the stands.
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The NRL will wait until the Wests Tigers act after Lui fronts court on October 7 before making a comment on the matter or handing down any type of punishment.
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Should the Tigers devise a worthy enough punishment then it is unlikely the NRL will have to.
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But should he be found guilty the club and the league should tear up his contract and set a precedent that as this behaviour is not acceptable in society, so it should not be tolerated in the game of Rugby League.
Everyone
As with the Lui incident last year and Benji's incident earlier this year, any posts that attempt to offer legal advice or state anything beyond what has been alleged by the Police WILL be deleted on the spot.
Please respect the legal process that is now in progress.
As with the Lui incident last year and Benji's incident earlier this year, any posts that attempt to offer legal advice or state anything beyond what has been alleged by the Police WILL be deleted on the spot.
Please respect the legal process that is now in progress.
@GNR4LIFE said:
Yeah I think it's a pretty sad indictment on our society that this has to happen, but you don't have to look any further than to our media culture to see why this is the case. Check out the way in which some of the beer/alcohol commercials, that are on during the games sometimes, show total disregard for women, often portraying them, either as nagging killjoys to a bloke's fun with his mates or they're just plain excluded from the 'good time' altogether. In essence, they are generally depicted as 'the enemy' to be avoided, whilst being with your mates is the safe, fun and preferable place to be. This type of stuff, presented to us over and over, often ends up polarizing the genders, hence, we see blokes needing to take these classes.
Sorry, if this seems a bit too analytical, but I did alot of sociological subjects at uni, so I now tend to view things a lot more critically, especially media images and portrayals with their hidden meanings/agendas. The media, in all it's forms, is such a powerful tool of persuasion that can foster deep seated attitudes in the national psyche and, if any of us think we are not affected by it, then we probably already are.
@Flippedy said:
Excellent post Flippedy. Unfortunately, this sort of "social programming" (can't think of a more apt term,) via advertising is able to take such a hold on suggestible minds. However, right and wrong are still two easily understandable concepts today and every male knows it is not right (whether it be morally or culturally,) to mistreat women
