ROOSTERS/WESTS TIGERS

[Tigerspirit]

its beyond a joke.

I cant believe no part of the media rip this to shreds and demand an investigation. 1-17 in the rorters squad are rep already or soon to be rep players. Tigers cant sign anyone for the next 10 years and have to offload an entire squad and fill it with park quality players but were flaunting the cap, its a joke and beyond a disgrace…....silence........nothing but crickets.........

Thats kinda how I feel, as alot of you have said there management is far superior, I wish we could have gone that way…

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[iofthetigers]

Players don't just sign for dollars. They are no different than the everyday worker who would generally evaluate culture ,conditions & general welfare before deciding where they work unless they are desperate.This is where the Tigers are lacking which is highlighted by the handling of Robbie. The disappointing part is that with Marina Go's business acumen she should be looking at having the Tigers as a preferred place of work rather than trying to compete financially which will never happen unless we relocate(which may be a strategic plan).

 

[Tigermama]

TPA's should be monitored and restricted, otherwise what's the point of having a salary cap? It just makes a mockery of it really, and the gap between the rich and poorer clubs continues to widen.

True Flip. TPA'S are a joke. Big changes need to be made and fast. Doubt it's going to happen anytime soon though. :imp:

 

[cqtiger]

I have always argued against having a salary cap.

Let any team buy any player, for any price.
The salary cap was designed to keep the status quo. The wealthy teams will always be at the top regardless. The other teams just change places with each other every year.

Get rid of the salary cap.

The poorer teams will eventually get deeper and deeper in debt until they have to sell. When all or most NRL teams are under private ownership, then and only then, will the competition be actually fair. Rich owners will demand fairness in scheduling, promotion, gate, television etc.

I believe that the days of teams actually disappearing from the top grade are gone. We won't see another Newtown or North Sydney scenario. The Contracts between the NRL and broadcasters ensure the minimum number of teams.

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[newtiger]

Yes but don't be bitter just be better….

Salary Cap management is the difference between Winners and also rans..

I heard an interview with Mark Burns Roosters Cap manager, they pay there top players big money the rest get nothing.
His theory is that if you pay your bottom players good money they think that they are better then what they are.
If you pay them basic money they bust their arse to get the bigger salaries or get picked up by other clubs on better salaries eg: RTS and Warriors.
That is how they get their cap in order, and it looks like they are rotting it.
Plus uncle Nick and friends pays a lot of TPA.

 

[newtiger]

TPA's should be monitored and restricted, otherwise what's the point of having a salary cap? It just makes a mockery of it really, and the gap between the rich and poorer clubs continues to widen.

True Flip. TPA'S are a joke. Big changes need to be made and fast. Doubt it's going to happen anytime soon though. :imp:

Imagine if Harry owned the club, we could have TPA's from Brick layers, Concreters, Plasterers.
Plumbers Carpenters Painters Glaziers all his suppliers our jersey wouldn't be big enough to hold all the sponsors!!!!!

 

[barra]

Yes but don't be bitter just be better….

Salary Cap management is the difference between Winners and also rans..

Like anything in life there is always a way to work the system to your best advantage.

If you have the power and finance behind you, it just makes it all the easier to do.

Like Geo said, don't get bitter, get better because the smart and wealthy clubs will always be working on ways to gain an advantage. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em!

A system like this would make it harder though…

Let's face it, they probably have a system as good as Brisbane that the NRL will never crack.

Until we get a system that every player is graded on Points rather than $'s nothing will change.

I don't see it as unfair, it's just they are smarter than us.

 

[fibrodreaming]

Players don't just sign for dollars. They are no different than the everyday worker who would generally evaluate culture ,conditions & general welfare before deciding where they work unless they are desperate.This is where the Tigers are lacking which is highlighted by the handling of Robbie. The disappointing part is that with Marina Go's business acumen she should be looking at having the Tigers as a preferred place of work rather than trying to compete financially which will never happen unless we relocate(which may be a strategic plan).

It takes time to make effective changes within the club that will attract good quality players. The new board can't work miracles.

I see the brouhaha with Robbie as a positive sign. For the first time in our history as a JV we have a united board, which is a prerequisite for future success. (I'm not sure that moving Robbie on is the right decision, but the decision has been made and the board are solid with the coach, which is what happens in a well run club.)

 

[TYGA]

They are TPA's read the rules. Greenberg favoured the heavyweights in the Rooster, Bunnies, broncos and Dogs. It will come back to bit the league when they realise the TV deal is a dud because no one watches games and ratings drop.

 

[cqtiger]

They are TPA's read the rules. Greenberg favoured the heavyweights in the Rooster, Bunnies, broncos and Dogs. It will come back to bit the league when they realise the TV deal is a dud because no one watches games and ratings drop.

Sadly the footy ratings won't drop.
It's the best reality tv going around. And that's all the FTA channels show - reality tv

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[Born_tiger]

Is it just me or do you guys think the Roosters are cheating. We keep hearing the tigers and eels are struggling with the cap, but have you ever gone through the roosters team. Have a look at us, it is like spot the international or spot the state of origin player, with them it is not just an international, it is like the best international.

Such as This weeks team and average salary - guestimate

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck - New Zealand - $1 million
Daniel Tupou - Origin - $500,000
Michael Jennings - Origin - $750,000
Blake Ferguson - Was Origin - $500,000
Shaun Kenny-Dowall - New Zealand - $750,000
James Maloney - Origin - $700,000
Jackson Hastings - Replacing origin player (Mitchell Pearce)
Sam Moa - New Zealand - $500,000
Jake Friend © - FOUND ONE NON REP - $350,000
Dylan Napa - Origin - $400,000
Boyd Cordner - Origin - $400,000
Aidan Guerra - Origin - $500,000
Siosiua Taukeiaho - Tonga - $300,000

Mitchell Aubusson - $250,000
Isaac Liu - $150,000
Kane Evans - Origin - $350,000
Suaia Matagi - $200,000

Jared Warea Hargreaves (Injured) - New Zealand - $1,000,000

This needs to be investagated…

Lol.. and the Tigers are over the salary cap...

What do you guys think? How are they not cheating?

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Is it just me or do you guys think the Roosters are cheating. We keep hearing the tigers and eels are struggling with the cap, but have you ever gone through the roosters team. Have a look at us, it is like spot the international or spot the state of origin player, with them it is not just an international, it is like the best international.

Such as This weeks team and average salary - guestimate

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck - New Zealand - $1 million
Daniel Tupou - Origin - $500,000
Michael Jennings - Origin - $750,000
Blake Ferguson - Was Origin - $500,000
Shaun Kenny-Dowall - New Zealand - $750,000
James Maloney - Origin - $700,000
Jackson Hastings - Replacing origin player (Mitchell Pearce)
Sam Moa - New Zealand - $500,000
Jake Friend © - FOUND ONE NON REP - $350,000
Dylan Napa - Origin - $400,000
Boyd Cordner - Origin - $400,000
Aidan Guerra - Origin - $500,000
Siosiua Taukeiaho - Tonga - $300,000

Mitchell Aubusson - $250,000
Isaac Liu - $150,000
Kane Evans - Origin - $350,000
Suaia Matagi - $200,000

Jared Warea Hargreaves (Injured) - New Zealand - $1,000,000

This needs to be investagated…

Lol.. and the Tigers are over the salary cap...

What do you guys think? How are they not cheating?

I think a lot of your salaries are over stated, and I'd suggest they are more like this.

Roger Tuivasa-Sheck - New Zealand - $500k
Daniel Tupou - Origin - $300k
Michael Jennings - Origin - $450k
Blake Ferguson - Was Origin - $200k
Shaun Kenny-Dowall - New Zealand - $300k
James Maloney - Origin - $400k
Jackson Hastings - $125k
Sam Moa - New Zealand - $250k
Jake Friend © - FOUND ONE NON REP - $300k
Dylan Napa - Origin - $175k
Boyd Cordner - Origin - $400k
Aidan Guerra - Origin - $250k
Siosiua Taukeiaho - Tonga - $150k

Mitchell Aubusson - $200k
Isaac Liu - $150k
Kane Evans - Origin - $150k
Sauaia Matagi - $125k

Either way, they would be over the cap, but you simply cant know how much these players are actually in the cap for because of the TPA's.

 

[diedpretty]

Let's face it, they probably have a system as good as Brisbane that the NRL will never crack.

**Until we get a system that every player is graded on Points rather than $'s nothing will change.**
I don't see it as unfair, it's just they are smarter than us.

I read an interesting idea on another forum along these lines. The poster suggested wiping the cap altogether and allowing clubs to pay the players whatever they wanted. The system involved every player being allocated a points rating and teams only being allowed a certain total of points for their top 25\. For example teams might be allocated 500 points for their top 25\. Players like Cam Smith, Ingliss etc may cost 50 points down to rookies who may cost say 10 points. Teams can pay their players as much as they want but you wouldn't be able to load your side up with a squad of SOO players as you would quickly run out of points. Players would hold their points allocation for the duration of their current contract. So if you signed Brooks as a rookie for 4 years on 10 points then he would remain as a 10 point player for the 4 yrs even if went on to represent Australia or Nsw in that period. At the end of his current contract his points allocation would be reviewed by the NRL. During that 4 yrs he could receive upgrades to his contract without altering the points.
Seemed like a pretty good idea and a way of getting around rorting the cap.

 

[jirskyr]

There would be soooooo many arguments if NRL was to "grade" players for a points system. And the money problem would still be a problem, because you might have 20 points left in your quota but can't actually afford anyone worth 20 points.

I don't ever see it working.