Round 1: Las Vegas Discussion / *Spoilers*

[gregjm87]

I reckon psychologically it’s fairer. Like we don’t have to start from last this season. No real impact at the end of the day though.

You'd still be starting from 9th on the ladder. 8 teams having lost will have a negative for and against

 

[gregjm87]

I agree with you, however interesting that most of the biggest football leagues in the world have this very scenario (3 points if you win, while a total of 2 points shared by teams if a draw).

Thanks, I'm not a football guy so would never have known. Do they do extra time or penalties for the 3rd point?

 

[weststigers]

I never said that . I said it rewards teams for competing . Teams that don’t compete don’t get the extra point . It also puts more value on the actual 80 minutes . Ie. if it ends in a draw both teams get the 1 point , then battle it out for a second . I don’t know where you’ve twisted yourself in a knot about fairness . I never mentioned fairness once . Does it mean a team can lose 4 times in golden point have the same amount of points as another who won 2 games . Yea so ! IMO there should be some reward for going 80 minutes without losing.
Technically they never actually lost in 80 mins. And GP is a crap shoot.

What you said is "it doesn't need to be fair"

The premise of the general discussion is the allocation of points is not fair, therefore we have engaged in a discussion about a superior points system which rewards a losing team in Golden Point to ensure a fairer distribution of points.

If fairness is not important, then we should keep the current system, not move to a differently unfair system where a team that wins 2 times in golden point and loses 3 times in regulation time by a field goal on the buzzer can earn less points than a team that has lost 5 golden point games.

We'd be the first ones complaining in the above scenario.

I hear what you're saying, but I view a golden point win as less than a regulation win, so of 4 points, the GP winner gets 3 and the loser gets 1. The regulation win should be the most valuable in my opinion.

Anyway...I am not PVL. It's up to him.

 

[hank37w]

You never know mite go as the fifth team 🤣 hahaha

How good would that be, go to Vegas for the bye.

That should add a few pages to the Player Dramas in the NRL thread.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I still reckon that a draw at full-time should mean both teams get one competition point, THEN they play golden point overtime (5 each way) for the other competition point. It makes the 'Golden Point' name have a double meaning and would make the ladder a truer representation as currently a team losing by one in Golden Point gets the same as a team getting beat by 50. Ie. Nothing.

play for 3 points for a win
if a draw at 80 mins 1 point each
the winner at golden points gets the other 1 point
Dogs 2 points
Dragons 1 point

 

[Odessa]

How good would that be, go to Vegas for the bye.

That should add a few pages to the Player Dramas in the NRL thread.

I think they such low respect for the Tiger's it could happen

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

What happens when the game finishes a draw in golden point under your system?

stays at 1 Point each

 

[weststigers]

play for 3 points for a win
if a draw at 80 mins 1 point each
the winner at golden points gets the other 1 point
Dogs 2 points
Dragons 1 point

Yes, but now a draw doesn't share the points. It only distributes 2 points from a possible 3.

 

[Dr_Ice]

Thanks, I'm not a football guy so would never have known. Do they do extra time or penalties for the 3rd point?

No they don’t during the competition rounds

 

[tig_prmz]

apologies if this is in another thread, listening to MMM poddy this afternoon and the host said we are officially 100 percent heading to Vegas next year. Well at least if we do go, we wont get the first round bye again 🙂

Funny enough I think of Vegas as Round 0. We still get a bloody Round 1 bye!

 

[innsaneink]

play for 3 points for a win
if a draw at 80 mins 1 point each
the winner at golden points gets the other 1 point
Dogs 2 points
Dragons 1 point

What if its a draw at the end of gp?

 

[weststigers]

What if its a draw at the end of gp?

He's saying a draw should be same as a loss if in golden point.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

What if its a draw at the end of gp?

the teams would just share 1 point each and the extra point drops off
draw
dogs 1
dragons 1
perhaps also go to golden try stops the extra time

 

[Lestronge]

What you said is "it doesn't need to be fair"

The premise of the general discussion is the allocation of points is not fair, therefore we have engaged in a discussion about a superior points system which rewards a losing team in Golden Point to ensure a fairer distribution of points.

If fairness is not important, then we should keep the current system, not move to a differently unfair system where a team that wins 2 times in golden point and loses 3 times in regulation time by a field goal on the buzzer can earn less points than a team that has lost 5 golden point games.

We'd be the first ones complaining in the above scenario.

I hear what you're saying, but I view a golden point win as less than a regulation win, so of 4 points, the GP winner gets 3 and the loser gets 1. The regulation win should be the most valuable in my opinion.

Anyway...I am not PVL. It's up to him.

Dude you’re getting way too hyped over this . The fairness is in the fact that 2 teams slogged their guts out for 80 mins and it ended in a draw.
They each get 1 point each .
Now because the game has gone into overtime and broadcasters need a result , that overtime equates to a further point .
It doesn’t really affect anything , and I watch plenty of hockey , and teams that win in overtime or lose in overtime a lot , tend to be really good teams . So the idea that a team that wins more outright will be supplanted by a team who draws in overtime/ GP doesn’t really make sense. Because those further 10 minutes are 10 minutes that the other team didn’t have to play .
I think I said this already , it’s not a punishment for teams who didn’t win in GP or take teams there , but rather a reward for teams who did, and don’t get the chocolates.
anyways it was just another point of thought , it’s not really a hill I’m willing to die on , just an alternate idea . Definitely not worth the energy being put into it .

 

[innsaneink]

the teams would just share 1 point each and the extra point drops off
draw
dogs 1
dragons 1
perhaps also go to golden try stops the extra time

So 10 minutes play on top of 80 for nothing...hmmm



There was.notjing wrong with draws imo...just have it extra time 10 mins

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

So 10 minutes play on top of 80 for nothing...hmmm



There was.notjing wrong with draws imo...just have it extra time 10 mins

still get at least 1 point for making it to gp
plsy gard for the extra point if not you walk away with 1 point.
10 minutes extra time is the right idea nor just golden point

 

[Halbrowne61]

I’m too lazy to check all the pages for comments re referee but imo, Atkins had a shocker, looked like he was manipulating the game to me, but that doesn’t happen , does it !

 

[Tiger_Fanatic3]

What if its a draw at the end of gp?

Penalty shootout

 

[innsaneink]

Penalty shootout

Scissors paper rock would be better

 

[Merlot]

There is no need for golden point in the regular season, it should be scraped